Wow! Calling all who are 40+

Thanks Nancy!! I'll run this by my rheumatologist. I am so immunosuppressed due to the meds I take for rheumatoid arthritis, not to mention my immune system is screwed which causes the RA, I am sure this would be beneficial to me. I'll run it by him first though since I take a cocktail of meds already to make sure there isn't an interaction issue.
 
Hi Nancy ~

Thank you for sharing the info and providing a link to the study.

7-Keto DHEA is the active ingredient in the product Lean System 7 which I have used (without any unpleasant side effects) for its fat-burning and appetite suppressing benefits.

I plan to read the info in the link you provided when I have a little more time. It's encouraging to know a doctor you respect is recommendng that you take a look at this this supplement.

Again, thank you for sharing the info I'm certain you paid dearly for...good medical advice doesn't come cheap!

~ Kim

"Welcome the challenge...Embrace it...Don't fear it." -Cathe Friedrich
 
Jane- let us know what he says. This stuff sounds so great, I think I just have to try it. DHEA has been recommended to me, but it has lots of risks associated with it, and I was afraid of it. But my dr. says that 7 keto DHEA doesn't have ANY of the risks of DHEA. Sounds almost like a miracle come true.
 
Kim- I generally tend to spend a substantial portion of my disposable income on doctors and dentists, and I do have some awesome doctors, even though it means I can't afford a lot of other things. My parents' motto was "without your health, you have nothing". I am definitely their daughter. I love that there are so many great doctors today who emphasize prevention.
 
Thanks for that info Nancy. What, if any other supplements do you take? Vitamins? Did your doc say anything about any kind of interactions. I don't do any meds, but sometimes I feel like an ill octegenerian with all the supplements I take. I do the Shaklee basics strip, fish oil, calcium plus magnesium, acidophilus, and CLA. This info looks promising, but I'm just wondering how many more supplements I can fit into one day! LOL.

Lorrie
 
LOL Lorrie! Me too. The Calcimate 800 Plus is non-negotiable. If I forget a single dose at night, I get leg cramps. I take a lot of Omega-3 and ginkgo biloba. My dr. recommended that I take L-Arginine, which requires an awful lot of pill-swallowing (10 capsules per day). No, she didn't say anything about interactions. I'm sure she would have mentioned it if there were any, as she knows or prescribes everything I take.

Hey, wait a minute, Lorrie, aren't you the one who was looking for desperate measures? Did you read the part of the article where it said that for people who were dieting and exercising, the placebo group lost 2 lbs. and the 7-keto group lost 6 lbs.??? And you're worried about swallowing another pill???

Hey, I'll try it if you try it. ;-)
 
Nancy, Do you know if this is available anywhere else besides the website posted? I am thinking Costco, Target, WalMart etc....you know, retail. Maybe a good health food store or Trader Joes?
 
I'm continuing to research this substance, and I've found this a few times:

"A safety study in humans has shown that 7-KETO did not raise estrogen or testosterone levels or produce any other negative effects at levels up to 200 mg per day for eight weeks. Short-term animal studies also revealed no adverse effects with large amounts of 7-KETO. However, the long-term safety of 7-KETO for humans has not been demonstrated, and, because it is chemically related to steroid hormones, the potential for adverse effects must be considered. In addition, the increase in T3 levels resulting from taking 7-KETO could, in theory, produce adverse effects on the heart or promote bone loss. For these reasons, people wishing to take 7-KETO, particularly those who have a thyroid disorder or are taking thyroid hormone, should consult a physician.

At the time of writing, there were no well-known drug interactions with 7-KETO."

If the long-term effects have not been studied, I wonder if it's really worth taking if you don't have a very compelling reason to take it?
 
Ok Nancy. I'll try it. Watch out website - two 40+ fitness fanatic lawyers on weight reduction, sex drive increasing supplements. What's one more pill in the mix right? LOL.

Lorrie
 
LOL, Lorrie. We could be awesome!
But see my post below about the lack of long-term studies. Also, keep in mind that the weight-loss group took 200 mg. per day. I don't think I'm willing to take that much. I was thinking maybe 25 mg./day max.
 
So are you going to ask this doc who recommended it what she thinks about that info? I know how thorough you are. And is that info relative to unknown effects from long term use, or unknown long standing effects from even short term use? I'm looking to for a kick to drop 15 pounds - not more than that. Or is the thought that once dropped you'd have to keep taking it to maintain the fat loss? Guess we need more info.

Lorrie
 
Now that you mention it Lorrie, it occurs to me that she didn't actually recommend it. She just showed me some literature and said that it sounded interesting and that I might want to research it. But she definitely thought it had potential, and she seemed to believe that the claims in the literature were well-founded. But, yes, I will definitely ask her what she thinks about the lack of long-term studies.
 
I know the 7 keto DHEA is highly recommended in a lot of circles. It is much safer than regular DHEA which is a hormone precursor.

I am all for supplementing the diet but the recommendations can be overwhelming. It seems like all the experts have a list of recommended supplements, and the list quickly gets too long if you take the advise of several experts. If you have a doctor you trust and can talk supplements with them that's great. I've found that most doctors talk prescriptions and not supplements, and if they do talk supplements it is either very general (take a good multi-vitamin) or it is for one certain product they like.

I've been researching these things for a while. My doctor's have diagnosed me with chronic fatigue, which seems like a garbage can term for *ok, we don't know what's wrong with you*. Anyway this is the way I categorize supplementation:

Nutritional supplements - If we could all eat a completely balanced diet of raw organic foods, taken from soils that have not been depleted, and have zero stress in our lives, then we probably wouldn't need nutritional supplements. As it is most of us could benefit from these. I put multivitamins plus separate doses of the more bulky vitamins C, E, and calcium.

Lifestyle supplements - These include things to help with certain areas like stress, managing weight, helping with heavy physical training, women’s issues (pms, pre/menopause etc.) These would be higher doses of anti-oxidants, EFA’s, CLA, the amino acids, etc

Anti-aging supplements – These attempt to keep your body’s biochemistry younger than it is. Many chemical levels naturally decrease as we age, and supplementing these can help keep our bodies in a younger chemical state. These would be things like DHEA, CoQ10, and melatonin.

Oops, I think this is more than you were asking :)
 
Interesting. It just seems to me like there is always a "miracle" supplement or drug that in the beginning seems grea but that somehow ends up having devastating effects. I am thinking of melatonin and phen-fen. For me the jury is out, so I will wait and see. I don't think women over 40 really need more bone loss!
 
What are the devastating effects of melatonin?

Isn't that Keto 7 is in the Lean System diet pills?
 
I am not looking for a miracle drug....just a little help. It seems that lately, I am working out more, harder and more frequently, trying to eat a somewhat clean diet and I am getting nowhere! I have gained about 4 or five pounds, and it seems so matter what I do it will not go away. I truly believe the age thing has something to do with it...I know I still need to do the work....but it is getting so HARD. If anyone else is interested, check out the Vitamin Shoppe...they have quite a few 7-keto products, including their own brand that are very reasonably priced. I'm going to give it a shot Nancy!
Take care,
Donna
 
I recommend anyone who is even thinking about taking this stuff talk to their own doctor before taking it.

There is NO miracle drug.
 
Donna - to me the key words that stand out in your post is "trying to eat a somewhat clean diet." I do believe that if you take a closer look at what you eat, keep a food journal, make smart substitutions and increase your fiber intake, that will help a lot.
Just Do It! :)
 
Nancy,

Thank you so very much for sharing this with us!! I'm definitely going to discuss it with my doctor because I'd really love to try it. Forty-one is just around the corner and I'm always looking for ways to improve my immune system as well. And if I lose a little body fat and increase my sex drive, well that would be icing on the cake!!!:)

And by the way, I cannot believe you're over 40 Nancy!!!:)
 
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