Would you be upset?

The reason I think it may be the beginnings of an addiction is because:

1) he is viewing the porn behind her back in a sneaky manner
2) knowing full well she would probably find out
3) money is tight, knowing this, decided to spend money on the porn movies anyway

This is behavior typical of addicts, whether it is alchohol, porn or gambling :*
 
>The reason I think it may be the beginnings of an addiction
>is because:
>
>1) he is viewing the porn behind her back in a sneaky manner
>2) knowing full well she would probably find out
>3) money is tight, knowing this, decided to spend money on the
>porn movies anyway
>
>This is behavior typical of addicts, whether it is alchohol,
>porn or gambling :*


ITA, 100%, absolutely.

Missy
 
I'd be upset about the secrecy mainly. As for the porn thing in general, I agree with others here that you shouldn't necessarily take it personally or attack him by saying he's been unfaithful/immoral. While I think that porn is typically pretty ugly (especially towards women) I don't think it's wrong in and of itself. Some people do develop addictions, but I think most men like porn, and most are able to like it without becoming addicted or preferring the porn fantasy to their wives or girlfriends.

I also agree that you should try not to pounce on him, to make him feel like a naughty child that got caught. He's a grown-up but he has behaved like a child out of fear. No one should feel like they have to hide this kind of thing from their partner in a loving and honest relationship. I'd want to address what I see as the real problem: his inability to share this with you. I want my DH to know that he can tell me stuff, especially if he thinks I won't really like it or approve. You won't ever agree on everything, and that's usually alright. It's more of a problem when there are taboos and secrets. So, if I were you I'd want to talk about getting rid of these taboos. You may be able to reach an agreement or compromise. If you attack him or become really upset, you will just grow further apart and he will hide even more from you. I know it's hard, and I understand how hurt you are, but this is what most men are like. Trying to deny them their basic nature is a mistake and a waste of time. I'm not saying that you need to embrace and accept porn, but I think that in order to resolve this you will need to embrace and accept your DH. If he knows that he's "safe" and that his sexuality is not something he needs to hide or feel guilty about, he may not really care about the porn anymore. Maybe he'll become more interested in experiencing the joys of a more open and trusting relationship with YOU. Good luck!

Amy
 
Yes, I would be upset. I agree with Candi about why she believes this may be the start of an addiction, and with Missy and Rogue that you should approach your DH in a calm, rational manner. I think you can still salvage your marriage.

Here's an interesting presentation on the harmful affects of pornography. It's long so pour up your beverage of choice and relax. I think you'll find some very interesting information here.

http://www.enough.org/objects/justharmlessfun.pdf

I'm shocked by women who don't seem to mind pornography. I can only guess that you don't mind being degraded or thought of as merely an object for sexual gratification. Oh well, to each his own. Oh, and if you think watching a little soft core porn doesn't hurt anyone else, think again. Soft core porn in effect supports child porn, too.
 
I don't think that I would be upset about it being porn. I would be upset because: a. He didn't tell you about the charges and b. You're obviously in a financial tight hold right now, and he should have been more resposible about the money spent to watch them.
I think that most men watch porn. I'm ok with that, but when it interferes with our finances then I have a problem with it. Maybe suggest that he go buy a couple of DVD's when you can afford it. Also maybe suggest that he come up with the extra money to pay for it.
Obvioulsy let him know it upset you and why. But be gentle. Just as you had every right to know he was going to do this. He has every right to know how you feel about it.

Kathy
 
Michele,

It's not that I don't mind porn, it's that I am a realist and know that it exists. I also think it has therapeutic value in the right setting.

Your comments are judgmental and insulting. I thought we were trying to get away from that behavior here on Cathe's site. Just wanted to point that out :(
 
I'm sorry Candi, I'm not trying to insult anyone. As for judgments, I think each and everyone of us makes those all day long.

I was stating a belief that I hold, that pornography is degrading to women, that it portrays women as objects for sexual gratification, that it does not portray loving relationships or indicate the dangers of promiscuity. There's plenty of evidence to suggest that porn has a devastating impact on our society and on children.

Again, I'm not trying to insult anyone, but I'm not going to stand still and give tacit approval for something that I think is detrimental to out society.

Just my .02. I don't see why my opinion is any less important than anyone else's.
 
1ST I would hand him the bill. Pay it.
2nd, at least he is at home and not out.
3rd. He is a man.
They thin with 1 thing...
He is normal...
Watch them with him.
 
I agree that it is a very personal issue. I had minimal exposure to it growing up (Playboy in my Uncle's cottage outhouse comes to mind, strange to think about it now). My father and my husband (both feminists) didn't partake (to the best of my knowledge;-) ). That being said I know couples that use soft porn and erotica as visual foreplay, not in my repetoire but that's them, whatever works with CONSENTING adults. What disturbs me is the evolution (de-evolution?) of porn since the dawn of the internet, cable and pay perview. When I was growing up porn was Playboy, Hustler, Happy Hooker, Deep Throat.....that would all be fairly 'mild' in light of what can be accessed by 'googling' the right combination of words. Exploitation is rampant and sadly, highly tolerated. Thresholds change with exposure creating a voracious and unsatiable appetite in men prone to sexual addiction, not to mention de-sensitization to the reality of life as a female. People are naive to think that the women who participate are all consenting. I have recently begun to explore on-line dating and have been stopped in my tracks, horrified and dismayed by what it is that men who watch too much porn think that women want. It is sad and as I said before, disturbing. As the Mother of 3 daughters I shudder at the thought of young women and children who have had minimal love and no moral guidance in their early years being vulnerable to harm and exploitation by the burgeoning porn industry. It ain't just the farmer's daughter looking comely in the haystack anymore.....:(

Take Care
Laurie
 
I guess I'm on the opposite side of most of the posters. I know my husband sometimes watches porn without me. We have a small collection of x-rated videos and sometimes we watch together, I think it is fairly erotic (usually, depending on the movie - there are a number of adult movies directed by women which move slower and more sensually, and which I like better than the cut-to-the-chase movies directed by men - we kid each other about this, with him saying "wake me up if something interesting starts to happen..."). I also have a lot of different little outfits, we have a small collection of massage lotions and a couple of vibrators, we've tried blindfolds and games like you-must-do-exactly-what-I-say. We've been married for 28 years and I like to try to keep things new and interesting.

I don't find porn necessarily degrading to women. Women and men are sexual objects to each other - I LOVE the way my husband looks in jeans and I try to keep myself attractive so he'll love the way I look. I think it is human nature to be turned on by what we see. Most women I know, myself included, do judge men by how they look to a certain extent, and if we see a "hot" guy in a bathing suit we do appreciate it. I just don't think it's a big deal. I, um, sometimes pleasure myself when my husband is out of the house, and I'm sure he does the same. I do not think that is at all harmful to a relationship unless one partner chooses the solo activity over the lovemaking between the partners - I think most people can have both and be healthy and happy. Women read romance novels and watch Lifetime TV and get turned on by the guys portrayed in those books and movies, it's just that men get turned on differently.

Porn is something many people watch and very few admit to. Porn movies are one of the hugest financial markets in the U.S., and it's not all sleazy addicts buying it up. I recently read a survey saying that about 50% of married couples admit to watching porn occasionally. It's true, porn can develop into an addiction, but I think that's rare, and for a guy to treat himself to one movie a week does not sound like an addiction to me. Women like to shop, and I've had MANY girlfriends tell me that they bought something but they didn't dare tell hubby about because money was tight and he just wouldn't understand why she needed some new shoes when she had agreed to economize. It's very likely the husband knew his wife was opposed to porn and for that reason he didn't tell her, kind of like if a guy thinks his wife is a little too plump, she's not going to enjoy a sweet treat in his presence.

HOWEVER, I do agree that the important thing is that both partners agree on what the rules are, I guess that't something that should be negotiated early on in a marriage. Everyone is different, but on the face of it, I would not be upset if my husband rented a porn movie every Saturday for 3 weeks, provided our sex life was still active and he still was being a good husband in other areas. However, if this couple had an agreement that nobody is allowed to watch porn, nobody is allowed to masturbate, etc., etc., and one partner violates the agreement, then I guess that is a problem, and a counselor could help them sort it out.
 
Here's what I think...Regardless of how you may feel about porn (I am not in to it either, btw), it can tend to be a pretty "regular and normal" part of some people's lives-guys and girls alike. I don't see anything inherentently WRONG with watching and enjoying a porno movie. I also don't think his want to watch these programs has anything to do with wether or not he finds you sexy, fit, attractive, etc. You said yourself that he rented them when you were not around. He was probably "lonely" if you know what I mean...As long as he is not trying to force YOU to get into it when you are not intersted and is not showing signs of preferring the movies over "the real thing" then I wouldn't be upset by it personally. I don't know many guys who DON'T "indulge" in a movie or 2 on occasion.}(

I can,however, totally understand your being upset at the cost of the movies since you said money is tight right now. At $12.00 a pop, those movies were NOT cheap! If you feel he was out of line spending that much money on something frivolous then by all means, confront him on it.

Just my 2 cents!:)
 
Ohhhh db5, look what you have started:)!

I really hope you do sift through all our personal opinions and look into your heart to find the answer that is right for you.

You really need to have the self confidence to decide for yourself if you have the right to be upset. That you asked for our opinion seems that you are unsure of your own feelings. Don't worry about what we all think - there will be those that judge you whatever you do, just as there will be those that support and respect you for having the guts to do what you think is right, even if they DON'T agree.

Let's all go do Bodymax2 together and come back and support each other :) I am sure you and your husband will work it out if your marriage is built on friendship and compassion. Everyone makes mistakes!

Corrie

"My religion is very simple. My religion is kindness." -The Dalai Lama
 
I'd be upset. Especially if he's hiding it and spending a lot of money on it during tight times. Talk about bad priorites.

I know a lot of people are into porn, but never have understood why one would want to watch other people having sex. Plus, I had friend's relationship ruined by porn. At first It seemed harmless when her bf started watching it like all guys do. But he kind of way too involved and wanted do thing a little more "extreme" than my friend was willing to go. It got to the point where he was no longer satisfied with their sex life.It was like opening Pandora's box.

Like other mentioned, I'd have a rational talk with him. Just let him know how you feel. I wish you luck on working things out!
Lorrie
 
db5,

DH and I eat lunch together and he asked me, "What's up on Cathe today?", so I discussed this with him. Keep in mind he is a licensed mental health counselor in the State of Florida although he is not currently practicing.

He said that regarding my theory that there may be an addiction brewing can only be based on how long this has been going on. So, although my previous points are correct, the DSM IV manual would say that addiction would be based on how long it was going on and how long it affected other factors in his life, like marriage.

Secondly, he cited the fact that sexual gratification was as basic a human drive as sustanance and shelter. Maybe as someone said earlier, your DH had the urge at the time and decided to try the porn out, liked it and did it again. It happens, no big deal. The fact that the money was spent so frivilously is really the hardest to explain.

Maybe your lives are busy and making the time for intimacy is something you are having a problem with. Like someone said earlier, maybe he was just lonely and had the urge at the time.

The best option I see here is that you need to bring this up in an unaccusing manner. None of us know exactly why he did it and it's none of our business. If you want an explanation, you need to get it from him but without scaring him into not sharing his innermost feelings. DH said if you really wanted to shock him, ask him if he wanted to watch one with you :eek: and see what his reaction is to that :eek:
 
Does anyone remember that Sex and the City episode where Miranda dated a guy who would watch porn while they were having sex? And when she asked him to stop, he said that he'd been 'with' the women in the porno longer than he'd been with her!!! I'm sorry to avert the discussion, this just made me think of that episode. God, I miss that show!


Carolyn
 
diane57,

I applaud how uninhibited you and your DH are about sex. I think it's wonderful :D

Good for you!
 
I was stating a belief that I hold, that pornography is degrading to women, that it portrays women as objects for sexual gratification, that it does not portray loving relationships or indicate the dangers of promiscuity. There's plenty of evidence to suggest that porn has a devastating impact on our society and on children.

Again, I'm not trying to insult anyone, but I'm not going to stand still and give tacit approval for something that I think is detrimental to out society.

Just my .02. I don't see why my opinion is any less important than anyone else's.

Michele



I agree Michele! I know it is a free country, but....I just wonder how many people who think porn is an ok type of thing won't shop at Walmart because of their business practices!
 
Thanks, Candi! I guess it's just like anything else, what works well for one couple would be disastrous for another...
 
Diane,

In our family, I'm a little more uninhibited than DH. At 48, he still blushes when I pull him towards the bedroom in the middle of the afternoon. How cute is that?! I'm working on him, though :D
 

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