What's worse than the "octo-mom"?

[autumn]

I also heard he implanted six which means two multiplied. Didn't she also have another pregnancy that multiplied? When speaking with a ob-gyn about this the other day he said that is it really, really, really rare to have happen once let alone twice within one pregnancy. Implanting 6 does seem a little excessive. What about Kate of Jon and Kate plus 8? She had 6 babies the second time. What is her story then?

Six embryos does exceed the Guidelines on number of embryos transferred. For women under 35, the guidelines recommend transferring one embryo in those who have a “favorable prognosis” and no more than two in all others, except in “extraordinary circumstances.”

I don't remember the details on Jon & Kate but I believe they used IUI not IVF.
ETA: From Jon & Kate's website

Yes, we used IUI, which is very different from IVF. IUI is intrauterine insemination where you take meds, are monitored via ultrasound and then your husband’s contribution is placed via catheter. There are no eggs “removed” or “put back” as with IVF. So, we were truly unaware that there were 7 possible babies in there on the day that our procedure was done…or I can assure you, we would not have gone through with it!! (We were told that there were 3 with a possibility of 4 which was, by my doctor, considered excellent to proceed.)

 

[gidget1978]

I don't think anyone confuses reproductive rights with reproductive irresponsibility. I agree that it is irresponsible to have that many kids and I wouldn't do it. But I think there is a difference between being critical and flat out slamming someone.

I can agree that her choice was a poor one at the very least but that does not mean that it gives either of us the right to attack her personally. We still don't know all the facts but are quick to jump to conclusions. It is one thing to disagree with someone's choices and decisions but some of the angry remarks are really disturbing.

That being said, if you start putting limits on reproductive rights we will be walking a slippery slope. After all communist countries like China regulate the reproductive rights of its citizens and I think for a free society you can't go down that route without serious implications like who is going to make the decision what is responsible, what is irresponsible, how many kids are enough, etc.

I think the reason why people are judging her so harshly is b/c of all the lies she has been caught telling. Its hard to sympatize for someone who lied on t.v numerous times. I wouldn't give her my money, just b/c Im not sure what she would do with it. If I knew the money was going to go directly to the children then i would probably donate some.

Im not sure if this is still correct but my friend is a pharamicist and she told me that in Canada welfare will not pay for someones heart medication but they will pay for their feritility drugs! Can you believe that?

 

[jodijodi]

Back to the original topic of this thread, I am suspicious of the whole 13 year old dad story, for a few reasons. His voice has not yet changed, he is 4 feet tall, he clearly has not yet hit puberty. I don't know when boys are first able to produce sperm, but I am skeptical that a boy of that developmental stage is even able to become a father.

Second, my understanding is that the Sun is a tabloid paper, similar to the National Enquirer. I have been unable to find a reliable direct source of the information. Even CNN's article quotes the Sun. Has anyone done any real background research on the story? Snopes doesn't have anything yet.

Finally, I wonder if a paternity test has been done. This girl could realistically be playing the boy for a fool, and someone else could very well be the dad.

 

[Gayle]

While we may all have different definitions of what the daily grind is, someone who has had much cosmetic surgery, can afford in vitro, has lived with parents and did not in any way contribute to the household finances per her own mothers words and has even been able to obtain a certain amount of education is not someone who really has endured what most people would call the daily grind or even much of life's hardships...

Booboo

Booboo - I'm with you 100% on this entire post.

The more we find out about this woman, the more I can't understand why some are defending her.

As I mentioned in a previous post, there's no logistical way one or two people can physically or developmentally care for 14 kids under 7, much less 14 kids where at least 11 of them are special needs (those preemies will need extra care for quite a while).

I bet we see at least some of her children ending up in foster care, and her poor mother with a nervous breakdown. She's an irresponsible mother and a lousy daughter.

 

[gidget1978]

Where did you guys see the pics of the boy? I googled it but can't find it.

 

[jodijodi]

Here's the link to the original article:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2233878.ece


And here is a follow up article, in which several other teen boys claim to possibly be the dad:

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/new...-Alfie-and-I-want-a-DNA-test-to-prove-it.html

edit: another forum I read suggests that maybe Alfie's DAD is really the father, and that the dad is letting his own son take the blame!!

Clearly a DNA test is needed here!!

 

[JennieR]

Wow, that boy looks as young as my 8 yr old nephew. I can't believe kids these days. Unbelievable.

ETA: I found the video hard to watch. The girl acts like this is o.k. And that poor boy, has no earthly idea what raising a child is like. He's just a child himself.

 

[Timber99]

I don't get it. At that age, I'd be PETRIFIED to be pregnant, let alone be on the path to motherhood. God, I'm 34 and the idea is still a bit frightening to me!

Where are these kids parents!?!?!?! I know that sometimes things happen despite a kid having wonderful parents but it seems we see these stories more and more.

 

[groovy]

Groovy

According to the tabloids little Alfie's mother is demanding a DNA test. Two 16 year old boys have gone to the media claming to have slept with the girl.
I'll keep you posted !

Olga