Tess_ATL
Cathlete
http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/falcons/stories/2007/08/27/vickscene_0827.html
What do y'all think? Think he means it?
What do y'all think? Think he means it?
Vick apologizes and asks for forgiveness
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tneah
Cathlete
I don't think we can ever know what is in a person's heart really, whether or not they are sorry for mistakes they have made. Only the person and God knows these things.Having said that...
You can be sorry until the cows come home, but you have to take responsibility for those mistakes made and suffer the consequences.
The public will choose whether or not to "forgive" him based on his actions from this day on, but we will never forget.
What bothers me even more know, is the fact they found some more dogs at a rappers house, it is suspected he runs an illegal dog fighting ring as well. Its disgusting, and now AL Sharpton is all of a sudden on their side. The politics involved makes me ill. Its about the ethical treatment of animals, nothing more, leave the race card out of it for once.
You can be sorry until the cows come home, but you have to take responsibility for those mistakes made and suffer the consequences.
The public will choose whether or not to "forgive" him based on his actions from this day on, but we will never forget.
What bothers me even more know, is the fact they found some more dogs at a rappers house, it is suspected he runs an illegal dog fighting ring as well. Its disgusting, and now AL Sharpton is all of a sudden on their side. The politics involved makes me ill. Its about the ethical treatment of animals, nothing more, leave the race card out of it for once.
andtckrtoo
Cathlete
I like this response from a reader of USA Today:
Great, now that he found religion, he'll realize that football and money mean nothing. When he gets out of prison he should spend the rest of his life working in some rural area preaching about how fame and fortune (and torturing animals) destroyed his life.
Great, now that he found religion, he'll realize that football and money mean nothing. When he gets out of prison he should spend the rest of his life working in some rural area preaching about how fame and fortune (and torturing animals) destroyed his life.
JeanneMarie
Cathlete
I think it's incredibly judgemental of anyone to say that Vick doesn't mean it. How do you know? I don't know that he does mean it, and I also don't know that he doesn't. Why can't we give the man forgiveness? He will pay his debt. He has lost everything. In no way do I condone what he did. I think animal cruelty is a horrible, terrible thing and those who participate deserve prosecution. However, I also believe in forgiving others. Who among us is perfect enough to judge whether or not Vick is sincere, or whether he deserves another chance? Not me. I hope he means what he's saying. I hope he has changed. Bottom line though, it's not my judgement call.
I've been wondering something lately. Who has heard of Leonard Little? Nobody probably. Here's something I found on a sports blog. I certainly didn't know about Little. Why is what Vick did worse than killing a human being? It seems that nobody cares what Little did. I find this very wrong. If Vick is to be shunned for life, why not this guy?
<<<Leonard Little's in the NFL, all right? Leonard Little has killed. A human being, even ... not a dog. Little, less than 10 years ago, got behind the wheel of his Navigator, and with a blood alcohol level nearly twice the legal limit, ran a red light, plowed into another car and killed an innocent woman.
And here's the kicker: six years later, Leonard was arrested again for drunk driving. But despite officers reports of bloodshot eyes, reeking of alcohol, failing three roadside sobriety tests, and admitting to drinking alcohol, he was somehow eventually acquitted of the driving while intoxicated charges.
He still wears the NFL logo on his chest. >>>>
I've been wondering something lately. Who has heard of Leonard Little? Nobody probably. Here's something I found on a sports blog. I certainly didn't know about Little. Why is what Vick did worse than killing a human being? It seems that nobody cares what Little did. I find this very wrong. If Vick is to be shunned for life, why not this guy?
<<<Leonard Little's in the NFL, all right? Leonard Little has killed. A human being, even ... not a dog. Little, less than 10 years ago, got behind the wheel of his Navigator, and with a blood alcohol level nearly twice the legal limit, ran a red light, plowed into another car and killed an innocent woman.
And here's the kicker: six years later, Leonard was arrested again for drunk driving. But despite officers reports of bloodshot eyes, reeking of alcohol, failing three roadside sobriety tests, and admitting to drinking alcohol, he was somehow eventually acquitted of the driving while intoxicated charges.
He still wears the NFL logo on his chest. >>>>
I don't think that Leonard Little should have been allowed back in the NFL. That doesn't make me change my mind about Vick and dogfighting.
I just have a hard time "forgiving" someone who not only killed these animals, but tortured them. And took pleasure in it---considered it a pleasant way to past the time. If someone is capable of doing that to something as helpless as an animal, I really don't think they have too many redeeming qualities.
I just have a hard time "forgiving" someone who not only killed these animals, but tortured them. And took pleasure in it---considered it a pleasant way to past the time. If someone is capable of doing that to something as helpless as an animal, I really don't think they have too many redeeming qualities.
Miss Lee
Cathlete
>I think it's incredibly judgemental of anyone to say that
>Vick doesn't mean it. How do you know? I don't know that he
>does mean it, and I also don't know that he doesn't.
>Why can't we give the man forgiveness? He will pay his debt.
>He has lost everything. In no way do I condone what he
>did. I think animal cruelty is a horrible, terrible thing and
>those who participate deserve prosecution. However, I also
>believe in forgiving others. Who among us is perfect enough
>to judge whether or not Vick is sincere, or whether he
>deserves another chance? Not me. I hope he means what he's
>saying. I hope he has changed. Bottom line though, it's not
>my judgement call.
>
>I've been wondering something lately. Who has heard of
>Leonard Little? Nobody probably. Here's something I
>found on a sports blog. I certainly didn't know about Little.
> Why is what Vick did worse than killing a human being? It
>seems that nobody cares what Little did. I find this very
>wrong. If Vick is to be shunned for life, why not this guy?
>
><<<Leonard Little's in the NFL, all right? Leonard Little
>has killed. A human being, even ... not a dog. Little, less
>than 10 years ago, got behind the wheel of his Navigator, and
>with a blood alcohol level nearly twice the legal limit, ran a
>red light, plowed into another car and killed an innocent
>woman.
>
>And here's the kicker: six years later, Leonard was arrested
>again for drunk driving. But despite officers reports of
>bloodshot eyes, reeking of alcohol, failing three roadside
>sobriety tests, and admitting to drinking alcohol, he was
>somehow eventually acquitted of the driving while intoxicated
>charges.
>
>He still wears the NFL logo on his chest. >>>>
Oh yeah! Little was sentenced to 90 days in jail, four years on probation, and 1000 hours of community service.
ETA that it'll be interesting to see what Vick gets -- I'll bet you he won't get off as lightly because our society values animals more than human beings.
Oh by the way, the NAACP has been defending Vick form the beginning.
>Vick doesn't mean it. How do you know? I don't know that he
>does mean it, and I also don't know that he doesn't.
>Why can't we give the man forgiveness? He will pay his debt.
>He has lost everything. In no way do I condone what he
>did. I think animal cruelty is a horrible, terrible thing and
>those who participate deserve prosecution. However, I also
>believe in forgiving others. Who among us is perfect enough
>to judge whether or not Vick is sincere, or whether he
>deserves another chance? Not me. I hope he means what he's
>saying. I hope he has changed. Bottom line though, it's not
>my judgement call.
>
>I've been wondering something lately. Who has heard of
>Leonard Little? Nobody probably. Here's something I
>found on a sports blog. I certainly didn't know about Little.
> Why is what Vick did worse than killing a human being? It
>seems that nobody cares what Little did. I find this very
>wrong. If Vick is to be shunned for life, why not this guy?
>
><<<Leonard Little's in the NFL, all right? Leonard Little
>has killed. A human being, even ... not a dog. Little, less
>than 10 years ago, got behind the wheel of his Navigator, and
>with a blood alcohol level nearly twice the legal limit, ran a
>red light, plowed into another car and killed an innocent
>woman.
>
>And here's the kicker: six years later, Leonard was arrested
>again for drunk driving. But despite officers reports of
>bloodshot eyes, reeking of alcohol, failing three roadside
>sobriety tests, and admitting to drinking alcohol, he was
>somehow eventually acquitted of the driving while intoxicated
>charges.
>
>He still wears the NFL logo on his chest. >>>>
Oh yeah! Little was sentenced to 90 days in jail, four years on probation, and 1000 hours of community service.
ETA that it'll be interesting to see what Vick gets -- I'll bet you he won't get off as lightly because our society values animals more than human beings.
Oh by the way, the NAACP has been defending Vick form the beginning.
LauraMax
Cathlete
>>I think it's incredibly judgemental of anyone to say that
>>Vick doesn't mean it. How do you know? I don't know that
>he
>>does mean it, and I also don't know that he doesn't.
>>Why can't we give the man forgiveness? He will pay his debt.>
>>He has lost everything.
[> Oh yeah! Little was sentenced to 90 days in jail, four years
>on probation, and 1000 hours of community service. I don't
>think Vick's sentence should be worse than this -- do you!?
>
>Oh by the way, the NAACP has been defending Vick form the
>beginning.
I just don't believe him. It's not a matter of being judgmental or knowing what's fact & fiction. It's just a feeling. Probably caused by the fact that he cruelly slaughtered innocent, defenseless animals.
BTW I also heard him defended on CNN this w/e by a former football player, saying he should be given a second chance & be allowed to play for the NFL again. Sadly the NFL lost my business long ago--I got so sick of these prima donnas thinking life should be handed to them on a silver platter, legal or not. But I do hope if Vick is ever allowed back into the NFL they'll be boycotted by enough people to put pro football out of business for good.
>>Vick doesn't mean it. How do you know? I don't know that
>he
>>does mean it, and I also don't know that he doesn't.
>>Why can't we give the man forgiveness? He will pay his debt.>
>>He has lost everything.
[> Oh yeah! Little was sentenced to 90 days in jail, four years
>on probation, and 1000 hours of community service. I don't
>think Vick's sentence should be worse than this -- do you!?
>
>Oh by the way, the NAACP has been defending Vick form the
>beginning.
I just don't believe him. It's not a matter of being judgmental or knowing what's fact & fiction. It's just a feeling. Probably caused by the fact that he cruelly slaughtered innocent, defenseless animals.
BTW I also heard him defended on CNN this w/e by a former football player, saying he should be given a second chance & be allowed to play for the NFL again. Sadly the NFL lost my business long ago--I got so sick of these prima donnas thinking life should be handed to them on a silver platter, legal or not. But I do hope if Vick is ever allowed back into the NFL they'll be boycotted by enough people to put pro football out of business for good.
pippa
Cathlete
My thinking:
1. Leonard Little has nothing to do with this. I don't think he should be playing in the NFL either, but that's not up to me. Just because the NFL let one criminal continue to play doesn't mean they can't stop another one from playing.
2. Of course, I don't KNOW whether Vick's apology is sincere or not. I just find it interesting that he was never apologizing until today. Oh..that's right...he said he was INNOCENT until today. To me, his apology for a 'mistake' sounds like "I'm sorry I got caught". As I said on another thread, this isn't like he WENT to dogfight--that's a 'mistake'--he was funding a WHOLE DOGFIGHTING ENTERPRISE.
3. Honestly, I'm not interested in his apologies, I just want him to pay the price for his crimes. JMO
1. Leonard Little has nothing to do with this. I don't think he should be playing in the NFL either, but that's not up to me. Just because the NFL let one criminal continue to play doesn't mean they can't stop another one from playing.
2. Of course, I don't KNOW whether Vick's apology is sincere or not. I just find it interesting that he was never apologizing until today. Oh..that's right...he said he was INNOCENT until today. To me, his apology for a 'mistake' sounds like "I'm sorry I got caught". As I said on another thread, this isn't like he WENT to dogfight--that's a 'mistake'--he was funding a WHOLE DOGFIGHTING ENTERPRISE.
3. Honestly, I'm not interested in his apologies, I just want him to pay the price for his crimes. JMO
Miss Lee
Cathlete
>Sadly the NFL lost my
>business long ago--I got so sick of these prima donnas
>thinking life should be handed to them on a silver platter,
>legal or not. But I do hope if Vick is ever allowed back into
>the NFL they'll be boycotted by enough people to put pro
>football out of business for good.
Well said!
>business long ago--I got so sick of these prima donnas
>thinking life should be handed to them on a silver platter,
>legal or not. But I do hope if Vick is ever allowed back into
>the NFL they'll be boycotted by enough people to put pro
>football out of business for good.
Well said!
Y'all know that a editorial was written that in other countries dog fighting is perfectly legal. Several other editorials have mentioned that NFL players who have beaten women go unnoticed. There also more animal shelters than women shelters. I really don't care if Vick apolgized or not. The point of the matter is as long as he doesn't abuse women or children, he is okay. The problem is when we idolized animals over the safety of women and children than we have a problems. Personally I have never cared for Vick or his brother at VT, it is not because I am a Clemson fan. I think this whole matter borderlines or riduculous. And taken waaaaay out of context. Personally who in the #^^#@ cares. Just my 3 1/2 cents worth adjusted for inflation. Annette
pippa
Cathlete
>
>Y'all know that a editorial was written that in other
>countries dog fighting is perfectly legal. Several other
>editorials have mentioned that NFL players who have beaten
>women go unnoticed. There also more animal shelters than women
>shelters. I really don't care if Vick apolgized or not. The
>point of the matter is as long as he doesn't abuse women or
>children, he is okay. The problem is when we idolized animals
>over the safety of women and children than we have a problems.
> Personally I have never cared for Vick or his brother at VT,
>it is not because I am a Clemson fan. I think this whole
>matter borderlines or riduculous. And taken waaaaay out of
>context. Personally who in the #^^#@ cares. Just my 3 1/2
>cents worth adjusted for inflation. Annette
Well...I guess I(and a lot of people) just don't think the abuse of animals is a ridiculous matter. And, in the United States, it IS ILLEGAL. And, I don't even know what you mean by 'taken out of context.'
>Y'all know that a editorial was written that in other
>countries dog fighting is perfectly legal. Several other
>editorials have mentioned that NFL players who have beaten
>women go unnoticed. There also more animal shelters than women
>shelters. I really don't care if Vick apolgized or not. The
>point of the matter is as long as he doesn't abuse women or
>children, he is okay. The problem is when we idolized animals
>over the safety of women and children than we have a problems.
> Personally I have never cared for Vick or his brother at VT,
>it is not because I am a Clemson fan. I think this whole
>matter borderlines or riduculous. And taken waaaaay out of
>context. Personally who in the #^^#@ cares. Just my 3 1/2
>cents worth adjusted for inflation. Annette
Well...I guess I(and a lot of people) just don't think the abuse of animals is a ridiculous matter. And, in the United States, it IS ILLEGAL. And, I don't even know what you mean by 'taken out of context.'
roses_92123
Cathlete
I read the article and I believe that he is sorry for the fact that he got caught and nothing more. I mean, his involvement spanned a period of YEARS. How can he wake up and in the course of a week just NOW realize that his actions were wrong? Where was that realization when he had a hand in killing those dogs?
At the same time, I do feel unsettled over the fact that many other athletes have displayed conduct that is equally unsettling (spousal abuse, gambling, drug use/sales, and other crimes) and they have not been under the microscope like Vick has.
At the same time, I do feel unsettled over the fact that many other athletes have displayed conduct that is equally unsettling (spousal abuse, gambling, drug use/sales, and other crimes) and they have not been under the microscope like Vick has.
Puuuhleez - Vick said his actions were "immature." ?? Really?? And that he's sorry for his "poor judgement."
You know, sometimes you have to fall on the sword - get up there and say, I did something terrible and I am deeply sorry. I will do everything in my power to right the wrongs that I have committed...
...and then DO something about it instead of taking some "down time" to "think" about it.
Everything in Vick's statement was a deflection. He's giving us lip service.
I am SO tired of people thinking they are above the law. I work with Congress and I see that attitude every single day and it's just sickening to me...
Check out Jimmy Justice on You Tube and you'll see cops breaking the law and getting upset when they're caught on camera.
Sorry - PMS time and I'm feeling a bit pessimistic!! =]
You know, sometimes you have to fall on the sword - get up there and say, I did something terrible and I am deeply sorry. I will do everything in my power to right the wrongs that I have committed...
...and then DO something about it instead of taking some "down time" to "think" about it.
Everything in Vick's statement was a deflection. He's giving us lip service.
I am SO tired of people thinking they are above the law. I work with Congress and I see that attitude every single day and it's just sickening to me...
Check out Jimmy Justice on You Tube and you'll see cops breaking the law and getting upset when they're caught on camera.
Sorry - PMS time and I'm feeling a bit pessimistic!! =]
Oh please!!!! I can't stand people who seem to think they are a law unto themselves and do things that cause harm and suffering to others then turning around and apologising for it. He's an adult, he knew it was illegal and cruel but he did it anyway.
What is he sorry for? Losing his career, his reputation, his money, his lifestyle???? He's cetainly not sorry for the dogs that's for sure.
ETA. I couldn't be bothered to read his 'apology', it's just a load of lies to me.
Yen
What is he sorry for? Losing his career, his reputation, his money, his lifestyle???? He's cetainly not sorry for the dogs that's for sure.
ETA. I couldn't be bothered to read his 'apology', it's just a load of lies to me.
Yen
LauraMax
Cathlete
>Let's remember that this is hardly exclusive to the NFL and
>its' players.
I completely agree--I actually believe it's an epidemic amongst professional athletes, & this is coming from personal experience (I married one ;-) ). They're coddled through high school, through college, & then through their careers. For some reason people who play a game for a living have become celebrities & are making a gazillion dollars.
And as far as being involved in a dogfighting business not being as serious as beating up, raping or worse to a woman I'm in complete agreement there as well. Problem is most women who experience such horror are afraid to report it for the exact reasons I listed above. When they do report it they end up having the media digging through their past for every ugly skeleton they can find, they end up getting blamed by "fans," & they're understandably too afraid to press charges. Because these "celebrities" walk on water & couldn't possibly be guilty of anything.
I just think it happens to be worse in pro football than in other pro sports. I don't know why, but it does seem that way.
>its' players.
I completely agree--I actually believe it's an epidemic amongst professional athletes, & this is coming from personal experience (I married one ;-) ). They're coddled through high school, through college, & then through their careers. For some reason people who play a game for a living have become celebrities & are making a gazillion dollars.
And as far as being involved in a dogfighting business not being as serious as beating up, raping or worse to a woman I'm in complete agreement there as well. Problem is most women who experience such horror are afraid to report it for the exact reasons I listed above. When they do report it they end up having the media digging through their past for every ugly skeleton they can find, they end up getting blamed by "fans," & they're understandably too afraid to press charges. Because these "celebrities" walk on water & couldn't possibly be guilty of anything.
I just think it happens to be worse in pro football than in other pro sports. I don't know why, but it does seem that way.