Too Much Cardio

Maribeth

Cathlete
There was a question posted on the Cathe board asking if it is true that after 30 minutes of cardio, the body begins to burn muscle for fuel. The answer is--it depends.

Fats and carbohydrates are almost always being utilized together. The percentages of each vary with intensity of exercise. As long as there is adequate glucose available, the body will not break down protein (ie, muscle) during cardio or any other type of exercise. If there isn't adequate glucose available, the body will make it from protein--either dietary or that stored in the body, particularly in the form of muscle.

Longer duration cardio shouldn't pose a problem unless the person becomes glycogen depleted.
Maribeth
 
Hi, Maribeth!
Is it my imagination (or lack of observation), or have you been gone for a while? If so, it's nice to see you back. If not...um.......:+
 
The body virtually always burns a combination of glucose and fat--without glucose burning, fat cannot be utilized at all as a fuel for exercise.

Avoiding glycogen depletion is key in ensuring muscle isn't burned as fuel during activity. This means you have to eat enough, eat often enough and eat foods that provide the raw material for glycogen/glucose formation. Glycogen/glucose either comes from the breakdown of carbs or the breakdown of protein into amino acids, removing the nitrogen, and reassembling the remains into glucose molecules.

This gets complex, but if you wanna know more...}(
 
If you are eating enough to maintain your weight, isn't it true to say that the proper glycogen storage is already happening? Meaning, as long as I eat enough to maintain my weight and eat 3 servings of fruit per day (I do this) as well as other carbs, I am fine for longer duration cardio, yes??

I will be so glad to hear this since everyone acts like your body goes instantly catabolic after exactly 30 min!!! Also, Maribeth, if I am planning to do cardio for around 2+ hours, can I also avoid muscle breakdown if I take in simple sugar around hour 1-1.5? I try to carry a banana along with me for hikes/runs exceeding 1.5 hours. Is this all I need to do, in your opinion??

Thanks so much, and I also would like to hear more!! As if you couldn't tell...

Janice
 
Welcome back... I miss having you around here. I have another question -- I have a friend who refused to exercise (said it made her gain weight and size). She would starve herself to maintain her weight (FYI, she is not overweight). She said she only drink soda in the morning, won't have anything for lunch, and eat a small dinner. Is she burning her muscle for fuel? What is the long term consequence of her habit? Thanks!
 
I'm not Maribeth, but I wanted to chime in with some advice from my triathelete friends. They go through a period of training to teach their body to preferentially burn more fat than gycogen by using heart rate training. They do long cardio sessions keeping their heart rate at no more than 60% of max-working up to 2-4 hours of training at this level. After about 12 weeks of this they then start doing faster runs, then add intervals, sprints, etc up to race season. During the off season they go back to this type of training to rest their body and further build up ability to burn fat. I've seen this method detailed in several triathelete books. Since it's the ultimate cardio endurance sport, I figure they know what they're talking about. Even so, I think you need to drink gatorade or consume something similar during very long cardio exercise duration, just to continue to provide a bit of glucose-as Maribeth said, its needed to activate and continue the fat burning process.
Beth
 
SteppingFool,

I am not Maribeth and fortunately I don't have to have a degree to tell you your friend is INSANE!!

I cannot understand why women do this. I guess it never occurred to me to do this to my body simply because I got educated about fitness and nutrition as soon as I started working out. To me, this kind of behavior would be a "sin" to my body or something!!!

I am sure long term effects would include muscle wasting as well as symptoms of anorexia nervosa. If she did gain weight back it would have a higher tendency to be fat now that she lost a good amount of muscle. Absolute WORST thing you can do to yourself!!!

Janice
 
Janice,
In a nutshell, you could be eating enough to maintain scale weight, but have body comp be slowly shifting to a decreased muscle mass and increased fat weight. How? When the body gets glycogen depleted, as is the case after intense exercise or prolonged periods without food--we're talking hours here, not days--it will make glycogen from other sources, primarily protein. The protein can come from dietary sources or from lean muscle tissue. If it comes from the latter, over time, this leads to a loss of muscle and an increase in fat storage without any change in body weight.

For the person who isn't wanting to exercise at all and is on what is basically a starvation-type diet, she is losing muscle mass at a high rate. Her eating habits are so poor, she may be looking at more than a loss of skeletal muscle--remember, the heart is a muscle, too, and extreme dieting can lead to heart damage. She's on a yo-yo diet from hell and without exercise, it's even worse.

There is no particular magic number in terms of duration for cardio exercise and muscle catabolism. Highly fit people have much greater glycogen stores in the muscles than untrained people. People who eat regularly and don't exercise on an empty stomach will be able to exercise longer and/or more intensly before becoming glycogen depleted. The duration and intensity will be inversely proportional, though--training that is intense will go through the glycogen/glucose supply much faster than lower intensity exercise.

In the case of the triathletes, they have several things working in their favor--their greatly enhanced glycogen storage capacity, their higher VO2 max, and their tremendous increase in fat burning enzymes--as a result of their training. Still, excluding injury,the limiting factor in marathoners and triathletes overwhelmingly is glycogen depletion--aka "hitting the wall" or "bonking". Carb loading and replenishing during the race helps.

On the other hand, most ultra endurance athletes lose muscle mass both during their distance training and the event. But, their primary concern is winning their event--not necessarily preserving lean muscle mass--so if some muscle has to be sacrificed in order to make glucose, if it lets them finish the race when they otherwise would have bonked, it's worth it to them. This is why most of the endurance athletes appear defined, but very stringy. IMHO, these people overtrain on an ongoing basis--the amount of overuse injuries I treat in this population is very high--much more so than in most any other sport.

Does this help?
Maribeth
 
WOW that's a lot of very interesting info.
I was wondering. If I want to slim down (loose a size)-- Loose the fat layer without adding more muscle. What should my workouts be like? Should I do weight training at all or just focus on cardio? How much cardio should I do?
If there's a rotation that you guys could recomend that would be great too.:)
 
Just a quick jumping in here, I have skimmed some of the above, but in response to your question, I recently read in MF Hers mentioning (again) that more muscle helps you rev up your metabolism and therefore burn more fat. Said most women have missed the boat on that and then recommended that 50 percent of your workouts in a week be related to strength training...even if what you want to do is burn fat.

I think it depends on your body's response to muscle to if you will "get bulky". Trial and error. Just my 2c. Some of the more educated crowd on Cathe's videos might be able to chime in and recommend which of her weight workouts are more for "toning" rather than increasing muscle size. Probably depends on how heavy you lift.?

So you might be burning the fat faster if you don't completely ignore the weights...

Jen
 
The results you will see from a specific exercise program depends on body type. Virtually everybody will benefit from strength training. Increased lean muscle mass=increased metabolic rate.

How you will structure your strength routine as well as what percentage of your workout time should be devoted to cardio vs strength training will depend on goals and body type, as well as current fitness level.

Tell me a little about your current program and describe your body type.
Maribeth
 
I'm not sure how to describe my body type. My legs have always been pretty toned (even before I started doing weights0, but my uppse body could use some help. I store most of te weight in my apper body, inner theighs, and butt. But have no hips.

My exercise routine.. don't really have apecific one... I tried many things... 1hr of cardio 6 times a week + 1 body part per day (using CTX upper bodg and LL). Then I switched to 30 min of cardio+ PS series. It seems to me that after I started doing weights I've gotten bigger, but the fat layer didnt' come off (kind of the opposite of what I'm trying to achieve). That's why I was wondering if I should just go back to all cardio?
 
http://www.muscleandfitnesshers.com/magazines/magViewer/FitnMagArt.asp?Catid=523&Objid={2BFE5EB0-0F5E-11D6-B8C7-0090277C0A31}&curpage=1&curCatID=535&SuperCID=535&CID=B&SubCID=A

"Bodytypes can roughly be divided into three basic categories: ectomorph, endomorph and mesomorph. An ectomorph is naturally lean with a fast metabolism. While this bodytype tends not to gain fat easily, muscle is also hard to come by. An endomorph, on the other hand, tends to gain weight rapidly and has a tough time losing bodyfat. Other characteristics typically include a large bone structure and a slower metabolism. Lastly, a mesomorph has a relatively easy time building muscle and keeping bodyfat to a desirable level. A person with this bodytype sometimes makes looking good look almost effortless."

I think this is what Maribeth means about what is your body type....

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Maribeth - I don't have anything to add here but just wanted to say I appreciate the time you take in your posts and also your expertise. I always enjoy reading your posts and appreciate your educated responses!

Enjoyed reading this one as well.

Thanks!
 

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