So muscle really doesn't burn that many more calories than fat....

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Cathlete
Interesting article on MSN:

http://articles.health.msn.com/id/100103837?GT1=6428

It seems like we've always heard that strength training will do wonders for our metabolism because muscle burns so many more calories than fat. But turns out, the calorie-burning difference really isn't that dramatic. If I had a dime for every time I heard the "muscle burns 50 more calories per pound than fat" line, I'd be pretty wealthy (well, ok, I'd have enough money to buy lunch today). 6 calories just ain't as impressive!

So, bottom line, strength training probably won't help with weight loss nearly as much as cardio. I think a lot of us knew that already, but now I really understand why. I love it when I learn a new thing. :)
 
That is an interesting article. I really don't believe it though. After each of my children I didn't start to lose weight until I started to lift weights. There may be some scientific proof behind this article but I feel and look better when I lift, so I will continue to lift!
 
According to the ACE Personal Training manual, muscle burns 25% more calories than fat.

--Lois

"Don't forget to breathe!"
 
I read that article a few weeks ago in my Runner's World magazine.

I'm dubious.

While I don't think lifting weights is a miracle metabolism booster, I think it's possible that the author is picking and choosing his sources.

I know alot of runners and very few of them lift weights and those that do don't lift serious weights. These runners are into running period and if they cross train it's stationary bike and maybe some upper body weight training.


Elaine
 
I disagree with the article as well. I read this in Runners World and was very disappointed.

I have always been active but it wasn't until I started lifting weights that I really began to see a difference.

You need both...cardio and weights...period!!


FITXME
 
Hey, don't shoot the messenger - I agree with y'all. I, too, believe we need both cardio and strength training for optimal health. I'm not changing up my current training routine just because of this article. :)

I just found it interesting that muscle burns so much fewer calories than I had always been told. I, too, wonder about his sources for the article. In this age of endless electronic information, it's so hard to tell who is right and who is just babbling nonsense. There's a lot of nonsense out there, that's for sure.
 
I agree you never can tell about articles anymore - they can twist any information to make them think certain things. I am not buying it. Muscles eats fat - that is the truth!
 
RE: So muscle really doesn't burn that many more calori...

I like the article actually. It makes sense to me. :D
 
""""According to the ACE Personal Training manual, muscle burns 25% more calories than fat.""""

That doesn't make sense to me. Fat doesn't burn any calories (???) it just sits there and waits to be used as fuel. Maybe what the comment means is the calories used by the muscle to carry the fat around (???). Sorry, just trying to make sense f that comment.
 
I don't know about you ladies...but who sits and rests between sets? My 40 minutes of weight training is just that...40 minutes of weight training!

I think this author just doesn't enjoy lifting weights.
 
Fat DOES burn calories, albeit a very small amount. It does require energy to stay alive. Just like any other living tissue in your body - all of your body's cells require energy (and that's what calories are, units of energy).
 
The article finishes (almost) with:

"The more you exercise, the better. The National Weight Control Registry has followed more than 5,000 people who have lost at least 30 pounds and kept it off for more than six years. Their secret? They burn almost 400 calories a day in exercise, mostly by walking. This takes an hour or more a day, but by running you can cut that time almost in half."

I want to know how long these people are walking for? I ride a stationary bike for 45 minutes--doing Cardio Coach. I only burn 250 calories. To burn 400 calories a day you would have to walk for 2 or more hours. Ahem...those people have no lives.

I'm dubious at best.
 
""""According to the ACE Personal Training manual, muscle burns 25% more calories than fat.""""

I'll try and clarify my comment. Even when you are resting, your body still needs to burn calories to function (the metabolic process). Your body contains both muscle tissue and adipose (fat) tissue. Both are used in the metabolic process. If you have both adipose tissue and muscle tissue (which we all do), the muscle tissue is contributing 25% more energy to the metabolic process then the fat tissue.

BTW, fat is the primary fuel in low to moderate aerobic activities.

Does this help?
--Lois

"Don't forget to breathe!"
 
RE: So muscle really doesn't burn that many more calori...

Uh... Okay... I don't want to add to the confusion, BUT

I've hit the weights hard since February (when the HC's came out), and gained only a pound even though I've been stuffing my face because I'm always hungry. I measured this morning. I lost 3/8 of an inch in my hips, where it's hardest to lose. This is after 3 weeks of S&H upper body and a week after I resumed doing the GS upper body workouts. For lower body, I've been doing floor work, the Low Max blast, and lots of kickboxing. I'm still at 107 lbs. And still constantly hungry. Based on how much I eat (I've been eating pretty clean though), I should be a pig by now. So if weight training isn't helping my metabolism, then what is?

Articles like these give me a headache!:p

I'm thinking that a pound of muscle probably doesn't burn an extra 50 calories a day, but it doesn't burn just 6 calories either. Something in between?

Pinky
 
I think an article like this was posted a while back - maybe with that Carey guy? My brain's feelin foggy- I'll go search lol.
 
Okay, here we go...

Posted on Mon, Dec. 16, 2002

Art Carey | The myth of muscle as calorie burner

By Art Carey

Inquirer Columnist


Two weeks ago, I introduced you to Greg Ellis, whose new book, Dr. Ellis's Ultimate Diet Secrets (Targeted Body Systems Publishing, $59.95), is to eating and exercising what Moby-Dick is to whaling.

During a power walk, Ellis and I discussed some of the surprising things he's learned over the last 40 years about how the body turns food into energy, muscle and fat.

One of Ellis' favorite sayings is "putting it to the numbers" - his phrase for testing conventional wisdom against scientific fact. By putting it to the numbers, Ellis, 55, who has a doctorate in exercise physiology, has discovered that many accepted truths are myths.

"People don't do their homework," he gripes. "That's how these myths get started and propagated."

A prime example: If you build more muscle, you'll burn lots of calories.

"This one really irks me," Ellis says. "It's the big one, the great myth."

I confess: It's a myth that I, too, have helped propagate. As faithful readers know, I'm a big booster of resistance training - weight lifting for boys and girls, men and women, people of all ages. In this space and in public presentations, I have sung the benefits of pumping iron, including how it helps control weight.

The conventional wisdom: Muscle is metabolically active. It burns calories even when your body is at rest - 50 to 60 calories a day per pound of muscle. Ergo, if you add a pound of muscle, you can burn an additional 350 calories a week, 1,500 calories a month, 18,000 calories a year - the equivalent of 5 pounds of flesh.

In other words, if you gain a pound of muscle, everything else being equal, you can, in a year, shed 5 pounds of flab.

Trouble is, it ain't so.

"Putting it to the numbers" reveals that resting muscle burns a mere tenth of that - about 5 to 6 calories per pound per day, Ellis says. Since every pound of fat burns 2 calories a day, muscle hardly confers a hefty metabolic advantage - a mere 3 to 4 additional calories per pound.

How does this play out in the real world?

Suppose a woman who weighs 150 pounds begins working out, walking two miles a day, lifting weights three times a week. After six months, she manages to shed 18 pounds of flab and gain 6 pounds of muscle.

To feed that new muscle, her body needs 30 calories of food energy a day (6 pounds x 5 calories = 30). But because she has dropped 18 pounds of fat, her energy needs have also dropped - by 36 calories (18 pounds x 2 calories = 36). Result: Despite all that new muscle, she needs to eat 6 calories a day less to maintain her new weight.

Moreover, adding 6 pounds of muscle is no easy feat. When Ellis was working on his doctorate, doing body-composition studies in the lab, he found that the muscle mass of female bodybuilders, compared with that of untrained women, was greater by only 6 pounds.

"Steroid girls had only 8 to 10 pounds more lean body mass," Ellis says. "I'm talking about hard-core bodybuilding chicks - not someone lifting 5-pound dumbbells, but a gal benching 150, and going at it hard."

Ditto for guys. After several years of training hard, a man may be able to gain 10 pounds of muscle, max. Even with steroids and other anabolic aids, the most a competitive bodybuilder can add is 30 to 40 pounds of muscle, Ellis says. At 5 calories per pound of muscle, all that extravagant anabolic gingerbread revs the metabolism by a mere 150 calories - an amount that could be wiped out by a Reese's Peanut Butter Cup.

"So when Diane Sawyer works out with rubber bands and 5-pound dumbbells and manages to add a quarter-pound of muscle, she may be burning more calories through the exercise itself," Ellis says, "but she's doing zip to increase her resting metabolism."

Can Ellis be believed? For proof, he showed me citations and tables from his trusty texts, including a real page-turner titled Energy Metabolism: Tissue Determinants and Cellular Corollaries. But more persuasive than academic data was this argument: "If new muscle burns 50 calories a pound, why doesn't already existing muscle burn 50 calories a pound?" Ellis asks. "How does the body determine that new muscle burns 50 calories, while old muscle burns only 5?"

Answer: It doesn't, because all muscle burns only 5 calories. Putting it to the numbers: If every pound of muscle burned 50 calories, a typical 200-pound man would have a resting metabolic rate (RMR) from muscle alone of 4,000 calories (80 pounds of muscle x 50 = 4,000). Since muscle accounts for about 40 percent of the RMR (organs such as the liver, kidneys, brain and heart account for about 60 percent), the RMR of our hypothetical musclehead would be 10,000 calories - an impossibility. Even Ellis, a mesomorphic pillar of vintage beefcake, has an RMR of only 1,900 calories. So if muscle isn't a calorie-gobbler, why bother to lift weights?

Because, besides making you stronger, fortifying your bones and joints, improving your balance, reducing the risk of heart disease, and giving you a sense of power, control, accomplishment and well-being, pumping iron will make you look better.

"If you add 5 pounds of muscle and lose 5 pounds of fat, the impact on your shape and appearance will be dramatic," Ellis says. "If you add 5 pounds of muscle and lose 10 to 20 pounds of fat, you're definitely going to be eye candy."


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To order Greg Ellis' book, visit www.ultimatedietsecrets.com or call 610-459-1865. "Body Language" appears Mondays in The Inquirer. Contact Art Carey at 215-854-4588 or [email protected].
 
RE: So muscle really doesn't burn that many more calori...

I don't know--something about this just doesn't make sense to me. Maybe his calculations are correct, but there has to be something else at work here. How else to explain the results I get from Cathe--I have worked out with cardio and weights for years, but have dropped at least 1 size since I started Cathe. Her workouts were the only thing that changed--I still eat the same way (more, in fact), my workouts aren't any longer than they used to be. So *maybe* my workouts are burning 50? 100? more calories a day?? Yet I know I am eating to more than compensate for that, yet I'm not gaining weight. It makes no sense that I'd get those results despite eating like a horse unless there was something about muscle mass having an effect on metabolism.
 
RE: So muscle really doesn't burn that many more calori...

Now that I've gotten into fitness and exercising, I try to find out as much as I can about the effects of what I'm doing. I've always heard/read that muscle can burn an extra 35 calories an hour even when you're at rest. I know I've heard/read this in at least 5 different places. Muscle needs energy, so the more muscle one has, the more energy or fat will be needed and used by the muscle. Makes sense to me! I'm not sure that I totally believe that muscle uses exactly 35 calories an hour, but I think it's close and have seen it in my own body. Like so many others of you have stated, I have seen big and remarkable changes in my body from weight training, and since I'm weight training or doing some type of exercise every day I need to eat more, but I'm not gaining weight. I know that some of that is due to cardio, but I also know that the muscle I'm building is utilizing my fat. This is evident in the fact that I'm not really losing weight, but I'm able to wear a smaller size every 6 months or so! The muscle building is changing the shape of my body without making it lighter. To me it's like a double hit to the fat, which is a win-win situation. I think the bottom line is that we are pretty sure that building muscle burns fat, so does it really matter how many calories it is? To me, it doesn't really matter, as long as I know it's burning something.
Just my 2 cents!
 
RE: So muscle really doesn't burn that many more calori...

I agree with the article. Do the math. I have also heard that the estimate for number of calories burned by muscle has been dropped from 35 more/lb of muscle at rest/ day to about 5-6 more per day.
 

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