Slim Series: What's the point?????

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Cathlete
Ok, fess up, I don't even own these workouts, but they intrigue me........as does everything on Beachbody's website.


However, my understanding of "Slim in Six" and "Slim Series" is that they use lighter weights, high reps...something called "slim training". Past reviews on this site indicate that they work your muscles everyday (the same muscles) and the reason you don't grow and you actually slim down is because you are doing too much for each body part, using not enough weight for hypertrophy. As one poster said, "bordering on overtraining" and therefore making no progress in muscle gains.



Ok, excuse me, what's the point? Wouldn't I just be WAY better of sticking to the tried and true 3 sets of 10 with a weight that DOES challenge me?


If you are not gaining strength nor muscle mass, what's the point? Nothing but looking good?


Just wanted to comment that some things I just don't get.:eek:
 
I borrowed SI6 awhile ago from a friend and it was so boring I couldn't wait till it was over. If I recall it is over an hour long and I barely broke a sweat. In fact, I didn't break a sweat. I can't speak for slim series (which I hear is more advanced), but if you exercise to Cathe, I don't think either will do much for you.
 
Well I have never done slim in six series and probably never will because freestyle works for me.....
While building muscle works for some of you, staying slim and having lean muscle works for me.... I still work out 5 to 6 days a week, but right now I do my heavier weight training 3 days a week cause I am trying to tighten my glutes and my abs..... so I am switching things up a bit....
But I don't want to look like a body builder....... so this works for me, and thats the point:7 ....Rhonda:7
 
What Rhonda said :) I think that is the point exactly! Plus, I think that this series is meant for beginners to intermediate, but more for your person that is new to exercise and wants to slim down but not really build visible muscle. that truly is a goal for a lot of people using systems oter than Cathe - think pilates.
 
I love the Slim Series, just like I love my Firm Classics. For me, it's not about doing SS and/or Firms exclusively. It's about mixing those with my Cathe weight work. SS/Firm keeps me slender and toned. Cathe helps me build muscle. :)
 
I have and enjoy Slim Series. Like Jeanne-Marie, I don't do SS workouts exclusively, but I do like to use them (especially the lower body workout) in conjunction with other workouts. When I DID try a SS rotation (I only lasted 2 weeks!) I really missed heavy upper body work, but the lower body work seemed sufficient for staying tight and lean. I did throw in some Cathe upper body for this very reason.

I think the way SS is marketed ("slim toning") appeals to those who are afraid to "bulk" with weight training (they may even be hesitant to use the 3,5,8# weights in SS). However, I do think that it's important to mix up the way one trains, and heavy leg work all the time isn't necessary.

SS also has some more functional leg exercises (one-legged squats, for example), as well as very simple cardio moves that don't take a lot of room, so it's appealing for that reason (and the"music off option," along with the simple moves, make it ideal for using your own music for the workout. )

The floor work on Firm it Up really targets the glutes in a "hurts so good" way!
 
Slim series, is more for endurance and actually burning fat. Not building muscle, and you do get stronger just not weight lifter strong. As when you over rep, you still got to have the strength to keep pumping the arm or whatever your doing with the weight. You just don't build all that muscle, even on the people who have did slim series, are are BBs success stores they don't look all that toned. But they lost the weight and they are stronger then they were, they just can't switch from SS to one of Cathe's workout and actually do it. They have to start at square one and start all over. Trust me I did slim series just after I got the okay to start working out with a fractured back, and it was factured in 10 different vetebras, as well as having at least 10 + breaks in my rib cage, and after a week I could do the whole workout it was good but I was in bed for over 4 months, it was just a workout to get out of bed and walk the 10 steps to the bathroom which would take me a good 15 minutes as I was just so weak and in so much pain. So I can't excatly say slim series is tough, but it did take off the bed rest weight I gained from not being able to move much. It drove me nuts that I couldn't lift up a quart of water and pour it into a cup, and yes I started slim series without wieghts but it wasn't all that long before I started to add weights back in, and my back wasn't even fully heal by the time it wasn't challeneging any more. But those who said the workout is boring are very correct, even though it challenge me at first, I was still pretty bored with it by the second week. I guess once you get use to Cathe you can't workout with anyone else.

But there are a lot of women out thee who want to be slim but don't want any type of muscle mass. Which slim series is great for. For me I much rather have some good definition in my arms and legs, especally my arms, so people take me seriously and stop trying to run over me. Being under 5 foot, people assume you are dirt or in the way and will walk into or over you. I don't know how many times guys will walk up behind me and instead of walking around me, they'll actually just try to step nearly on top of my foot to make me move out of theres. Just one little thing they don't realize at my height if I just simply swing my hand back naturally when I'm walking it's right in the in the worse place for them if they get that close. There has been serval on the ground moaning because they wanted to try and make me walk out of their way instead of walking around me. Most of the time they have 20 foot or better to get around, and still they want to see if they can make me move. I have no problem stepping out of someone's way when they are coming toward me, but when you walk up on my back heels just to see if you can make me step over, that's when I get irritated. Especially if there is plenty of room to walk by me.

When I had good arm definition I never had that problem, but I was flat on my back for 6 months I lost a lot of my firm muscles as well as the muscle mass. And now I understand what kids as well as other short adults go threw, when they got a jerk behind them.

Kit
 
Kit, did you go straight from that bed rest to Slim Series...what I mean is that these were your first workouts after recovering? If so, you are one awesome lady:) I wouldn't have recommended something as intensive as Slim Series at that time, but you did alright!

I don't know about starting from square one with Cathe after doing a SS rotation (I last a lot longer than Kathryn...when I first got them in Aug. 2003, they were all I did for several months...only quitting when I finally got close to overtraining and then got back to doing other things); I never lost that much strength (I use 5# and 8# dumbells in SS and occassionally 10#), but people thought I'd lost so much weight (wasn't losing an ounce at the time).

I love them for a change from separated strength and cardio work; they are also simple and Debbie leaves no muscle unworked.

Kit, BTW, I'm only 5' myself and our younger DD is only 4'11"...I've never had anyone come close to stepping on me (though some have threatened to, jokingly thank God:)), but DD is often mistaken for being much younger than she is!
 
Kathryn,

If I intend to buy one SS, very cheap, which one would you recommend as being most indicative of their style and possibly sell me on buying the rest?


Afraid to cough up $$$ for anything other than Cathe. I am sure you understand....
 
I'm not Kathryn (sorry) but Mix, Shape, Tear and Tone are total body workouts any of which would give you the feel for the series. Firm it Up has only lower body so you would not get a picture of the rest of the workouts from that one. But-that is also my favorite, I guess because it is different. In fact, the leg work is very similar to Cathe's new leg conditioning on Kickmax and her ankle weight premix in Legs and Glutes. I personally like to train with lighter weights for lower body because I build up speed skater thighs so easily.
I really don't think the whole series is needed becuase they are so redundant. Firm it Up and one of the others is sufficient for variety. They are really fun to do ON OCCASION but certainly not for weeks at a time.
Beth
 
I didn't go directly from straight bed rest to Slim Series, but pretty close to it. I was very aggervated with my doctors, and went into the mind set that I was going to prove all 50 of them wrong, and I did. They told me I'd never walk again, and even if I did walk I'd have to use a walker for the rest of my life, as with how weak my muscles had gotten it would take me years and years to build them back up and with all the fractures in my back, it was impossible to think I'd walk again without assistance. So I did what exercercies I could laying in bed, and used some of my old Kathy Smith tapes I had recovering from having my head put back on my spinal cord at age 13, and well I modfied those tapes as I did everything on my back instead of standing up. And then I got slim series, I still couldn't stand up for anything over 90 seconds, or I'd be gasping for breath and my heart rate would hit 200 +. As not only did the medicine weaken my bones and make them break and then compress, it even weaken the muscles around my heart, so it had to pump twice as fast to supply blood as it was too weak to do one big thump and get all the blood where it should have been.

So I did what I could from the chair and finally move around with a walker as what I actually need was something to hold my upper body up, my lower back was just too weak to hold the upper body. I know sound weird. So just fought and contined on and last September I finally got rid of my walker completely.

But I had no choice besides to do something drastic, I need to push myself to the limit and not allow a single inch less. As I know if I back off I wouldn't be able to walk ever. As the motivation would fade and the pain would get the best of me. I had already had to learn to walk all over again at age 13, I knew what to expect and how hard it was. And if you back off, the pain about drives you nuts when you try again. I made that mistake at 13, I didn't want to repeat that, as the pain in my back was so bad just laying in bed, I had to take a ton of really hard pain meds. The stuff I was taking could take out a 250 pound male and knock them out cold for over 5 hours. I was still in enough pain with the meds that I never got any rest, and I knew I wouldn't if I just laid there, or sat in my wheel chair. I really didn't have the choice to go slowly I had to have results just to get some help, as no one believed I could walk again. Over 50 specalists didn't believe it and told me point blank I wouldn't, and they weren't going to get my hopes up and put me in more pain to put me through therapy, to only show me I can't walk. They told me it was too devistating to the paticent when that happens and they really feel like a failure, and the last thing I needed was to be depressed in my condition.

I started to workout and my heart started to get stronger and my pulse rate was going down. And I learned how to do aerobics with a walker, granted I couldn't add in the arm movements but I got my legs moving and doing all the exercises, my arms at times took 90% of my weight, but it got me to where I needed to be. As I started slim series I could not walk with my walker in from a handicap space into the store without sitting down, 20 feet from the door I just walked through. So I was still pretty much restricted on on primarily bed rest. And luckly my walker had a seat on it. So when I did get tired I could sit down and rest. And if I wasn't walking I had to sit, as standing was my worse enemy. If I stood for over 90 seconds I'd be gasping for air as my body was working that hard to keep my up.

For most people I jumped into SS way too quick. But if I hadn't I'm sure I wouldn't be walking or doing Cathe now. That I'm sure off, as my body was healing and if I didn't get it moving then and adjusting to movement I would have been in a lot worse shape. And just for the record before this happen I was a personal trainer, and I'm back part time as one, just haven't reached full time yet. So I had a very good idea of what I was doing and the risks I was taking. But I also knew if you didn't start building yourself up during the healing stage you are in a world of trouble. As it can take 3 times longer or more to get things back if you wait as well as sometimes you lose the window to have a full recovery. Granted when I did Slim Series the first few times threw, I never once picked up a weight. I couldn't even lift a quart of water and pour it into a glass. But cycling my takes as I progressed I also make sure the workouts were harder and harder. There weren't too many days I didn't go to bed sore, and very tired, but I needed to be exhausted to even sleep or the pain in my back would keep me up. I found that out a few times I took the day off from working out competely, I was luckly to get 2 hours worth of sleep, because of the pain, but if I exhausted myself, my mind seem to tone it out enough that the pain didn't wake me up.

And yes I did those workouts on very tough pain killers, which is a big no no, but as much pain as I was in, the pain killers never ever took it all away, so I learned to tell the difference between my normal pain and workout pain. At first that was really tough to do but then I got the hang of it. And never had a single pulled muscle or ever over did it, during that time.

As for getting stepped on and pushed around I had a guy do that to me yesterday. I was walking on the side walk into a store, and I don't walk slow especally when it's freezing out. And he decided to try and run around me, and nearly knocked me down. But it seems like I'm always some type of moving target. Even older people will run their shopping cart right on top of my foot, unless I got something big and heavy in my arms. I'm not sure if people see that I'm small and think they can get around and don't realize how big they really are or what. But then again I live in the state that people have the absoultely the worst attitude. When I live in LA, people were a lot happier and a lot more considerate. Even New York people are in general a lot nicer and friendly then they are here. It's really strange, I'm kind of thinking of moving just in case it's in the water or something. I don't want to be like that.

Kit
 
>Nothing but looking good?

You say that as if there's something wrong with looking good. :p

I don't own slim series and don't particularly like high rep workouts in general. (I get cranky when I have to count much more than a dozen reps.) But people seem to do very well with the series and I can't recall hearing of anyone getting hurt doing it (maybe burned out, but not injured), so IMO you can't really knock it. And if you always do heavier work, it's probably a good idea to change up from time to time with something completely different to stimulate your muscles in a new way. I've come to use Margaret Richard for this.

If your goals aren't the SS/Si6 goals, there's always P90X!
 
>I don't own slim series and don't particularly like high rep
>workouts in general. (I get cranky when I have to count much
>more than a dozen reps.)

But YOU don't have to count: just do it as long as the instructor is! (though I admit I do count reps the first time on 1-sided exercises, to make sure the instructor has them evenly counted).
 
I liked Slim Series a lot. I lost inches and I had never been so sore doing a workout after doing Firm It Up (lower body). I seriously could barely walk the next day. :p I was already used to doing Cathe strength work by this time. It worked the muscles in a very different way.
 
While I never did a Slim rotation because after looking at all the suggested rotations I thought they would lead to serious overtraining, I do use these workouts often. They're a nice break from Cathe, they require only a couple sets of weights, there's little equipment changes, they're great for traveling, and my body responds nicely to hi/reps lo/weights. I'm also pleasantly suprised on how sore these workouts leave me, I always have major DOMS! Plus, they're very effective in slimming the lower body for anyone who's a pear, like me!
 
That series was excruciatingly dull and long. Tedious would be the perfect description. I don't know if it would get you the slim look...I couldn't last a week before it drove me out the door for a run instead. Why suffer through that when you can do PH or Body Pump or just wear large sweats?
 

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