Real Housewives OC--is she or isn't she?
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aproudfit
Cathlete
Laura-
Yeah - that was a hard one to call. I cant decide about Gretchen either... But I just think back to the kids reaction to Gretchen - kids usually see through the BS and they really liked her and thought she was great for their dad - so???
Tamera has really gone in the deep end - she is so catty and so oblivious to her actions it is amazing... I liked her the first season - now - wow....
Lynn is still an interesting cat - she is a hard one to figure out if she is really a ditz or what... And she really needs to stop being her daughters best friend and be a parent...
Yeah - that was a hard one to call. I cant decide about Gretchen either... But I just think back to the kids reaction to Gretchen - kids usually see through the BS and they really liked her and thought she was great for their dad - so???
Tamera has really gone in the deep end - she is so catty and so oblivious to her actions it is amazing... I liked her the first season - now - wow....
Lynn is still an interesting cat - she is a hard one to figure out if she is really a ditz or what... And she really needs to stop being her daughters best friend and be a parent...
LauraMax
Cathlete
Yeah, I do think it was an arrangement of convenience, but I also think she made Jeff happy in his last year of life, which is really what mattered. Gretchen seems like a decent person. She is a complete dingbat but, you know, brains don't always come w/heart. 
I don't think Lynne is a rocket scientist, but I do think she's very sweet. I don't understand why Tamra kept saying Lynne said things that were just as bad. If she did it was edited out b/c all I saw was a woman whose feelings got hurt over & over. You're right though, she spoils her daughters rotten. She needs to get tougher w/them.
I don't think Lynne is a rocket scientist, but I do think she's very sweet. I don't understand why Tamra kept saying Lynne said things that were just as bad. If she did it was edited out b/c all I saw was a woman whose feelings got hurt over & over. You're right though, she spoils her daughters rotten. She needs to get tougher w/them.
Wow, I have to agree with you Laura, I want to believe the best of Gretchen but I do think she was fooling around. If Jeff had beat leukemia, how long was Gretchen gonna keep the facade? Somewhere though I also want to believe she had some affection for Jeff. Vicki is just as bad as Tamra if not worse. At least Tamra lets ya know up front that she is what she is but Vicki is more the snake in the grass type. Jeana likes to play both sides by gossiping about what she saw at Gretchens to the other two. Poor Lynn, while I am sure she is no saint, doesn't appear to be vicious. I wonder if the innuendos about smoking pot were true? Well if that makes one a nicer person I say more power to her! I know the show coaches them as far as what direction to take but Tamra's ugliness is inherent as to who she really is, not much coaching there necessary. Is there gonna be a next season and will they all be back?
Booboo
Booboo
SirenSongWoman
Cathlete
About Gretchen: Here's the thing, she's very young, period. Jeff has been married four times and I'm guessing the wives have gotten younger and younger. Jeff didn't know he was going to die when he married Gretchen and, being an rich old guy with a fat checkbook, he did what his kind always does: picked a hot young thing to spoil for his own amusement. I doubt he really believed she loved him to the depths of her heart so I'm sure he harbored no illusions about her fidelity. Of course, once you realize you have a terminal disease, all you can do is hope. That's when the cracks started to show here. Gretchen is really a product of where she lives. Nearly all the ladies are blondes with fake boobs, tight bodies, and tans who typically run around in sequined clothes during the day. WE may think Gretchen (or all of the women) are strange but, evidently, they're fairly representative of well-off women in their region. I believe Gretchen was torn by the desire to live the life of a young woman and her loyalty to the guy who was good to her and to whom she felt she owed. I'm sure they had an unspoken understanding but that she loved Jeff in her way. Remember the segment where Vicki was riding her butt about making sure Jeff made legal arrangements to "take care" of her or get him to marry her before he died? I was watching Gretchen's face and she was MORTIFIED, as was Lynn, at Vickie's underhanded suggestions. In Gretchen's mind, yea, it's fun to be taken care of by a rich man who wanted to spoil her but that was a line she wouldn't cross. Also, she resisted Tamra's son at that nasty mess of a party when she was quite drunk, saying "Noooo... I'm engaged to a really great guy." A little tipsiness brings out a persons true character.
Now, about That Guy Gretchen's accused of doing. He sounds like the dangerous, possessive, and aggressive nightmare from her past. I mean, of all people to call when he wants to get to Gretchen he chooses her arch-enemy, TAMRA! He had to know full-well Tamra would hold onto that little ace-in-the-hole and surprise Gretchen with it at the perfect moment - which she certainly did. Look, we all know beautiful, insecure young women who know they have something special but don't know what to do with it. And when they're young they make mistakes because they just don't have the maturity to know how they'll feel about it later and that it can haunt them their whole lives (the gansta boyfriend, the nude photos, the one-time sex experiment with the wrong person(s), the private business splashed all over the internet... for all eternity...). In this case, this guy probably spotted Gretchen a long time ago and latched onto her, simultaneously building her up while knocking her down, feeding her insecurities to hang onto her, leading her to understand he'd never go away, rich boyfriend be damned. He's probably put her through some sh*t and it's probably not something she, now that she's older, would want exposed. For all we know he could have trapped Gretchen somewhere and raped her, knowing she probably feels helpless to do anything about it with tv camera's all in her face, a dying fiance, and a couple of evil women looking for any possible little tear at which to pull it all apart. Did you see Gretchen's face while Tamra was hurling accusations? She looked so trapped. I really have a bad feeling about this guy from Gretchen's past. Now that Gretchen is a TV star, he's not going ANYWHERE.
Lynn: Sweet. After having been raised in a super-strict home, went the exact opposite way with her own children and is now seeing the mistake of extremes. I haven't heard her say a negative word about anyone and believe she just too kind and doesn't know how to fend off the vipers with which she's been thrown.
Jeana: Love her. Hate her eldest son. What the H*ll is his PROBLEM???
Tamra: Desperately jealous of the young and beautiful Gretchen, which has turned her from a true beauty into a pathetic, insecure, ugly, vicious hag. Watch her husband next season. He's becoming increasingly annoyed by her Gretchen obsession. Someone needs to tell the silly b*tch that she doesn't own the color pink, and Gretchen is allowed to drink the same mixed drinks as Vicki if she chooses. How dumb.
Vicki (sp?): I hate the way she treats her husband and... Oh man, I really cannot stand her at all and can't think of anything good to say. Her carrying on about the things Gretchen does to attract attention are all true and those things are annoying (again, Gretchen's very young and spoiled) but, with Vicki's chronic war-whooping to draw attention to HERself, it's a bit like the pot calling the kettle.
Now, about That Guy Gretchen's accused of doing. He sounds like the dangerous, possessive, and aggressive nightmare from her past. I mean, of all people to call when he wants to get to Gretchen he chooses her arch-enemy, TAMRA! He had to know full-well Tamra would hold onto that little ace-in-the-hole and surprise Gretchen with it at the perfect moment - which she certainly did. Look, we all know beautiful, insecure young women who know they have something special but don't know what to do with it. And when they're young they make mistakes because they just don't have the maturity to know how they'll feel about it later and that it can haunt them their whole lives (the gansta boyfriend, the nude photos, the one-time sex experiment with the wrong person(s), the private business splashed all over the internet... for all eternity...). In this case, this guy probably spotted Gretchen a long time ago and latched onto her, simultaneously building her up while knocking her down, feeding her insecurities to hang onto her, leading her to understand he'd never go away, rich boyfriend be damned. He's probably put her through some sh*t and it's probably not something she, now that she's older, would want exposed. For all we know he could have trapped Gretchen somewhere and raped her, knowing she probably feels helpless to do anything about it with tv camera's all in her face, a dying fiance, and a couple of evil women looking for any possible little tear at which to pull it all apart. Did you see Gretchen's face while Tamra was hurling accusations? She looked so trapped. I really have a bad feeling about this guy from Gretchen's past. Now that Gretchen is a TV star, he's not going ANYWHERE.
Lynn: Sweet. After having been raised in a super-strict home, went the exact opposite way with her own children and is now seeing the mistake of extremes. I haven't heard her say a negative word about anyone and believe she just too kind and doesn't know how to fend off the vipers with which she's been thrown.
Jeana: Love her. Hate her eldest son. What the H*ll is his PROBLEM???
Tamra: Desperately jealous of the young and beautiful Gretchen, which has turned her from a true beauty into a pathetic, insecure, ugly, vicious hag. Watch her husband next season. He's becoming increasingly annoyed by her Gretchen obsession. Someone needs to tell the silly b*tch that she doesn't own the color pink, and Gretchen is allowed to drink the same mixed drinks as Vicki if she chooses. How dumb.
Vicki (sp?): I hate the way she treats her husband and... Oh man, I really cannot stand her at all and can't think of anything good to say. Her carrying on about the things Gretchen does to attract attention are all true and those things are annoying (again, Gretchen's very young and spoiled) but, with Vicki's chronic war-whooping to draw attention to HERself, it's a bit like the pot calling the kettle.
aproudfit
Cathlete
I thought is was hillarious that when Gretchen was truly surprised by her new Harley - at the same time Vicki was going around showing her new watch that SHE bought herself and rolling her eyes at Gretchen... What a cad Vicki is.
I do beleive there is probably a lot of jealousy of Gretchen from Vicky and Tamera. Gretchen is young, beautiful, and fun to be around. Look at last season - Tamera was ALL about getting ALL the attention and being the 'hottest housewife'.... she is all threatened with Gretchen so had to tear down anything positive - classic behavior. I did notice Simon getting irritated with her Gretchen obsession.
Oh - and the claiming she was DRUNK when she said all that stuff at her party when trying to get Gretchen drunh was a crock!! Se set out to try to get Gretchen to make a fool of herself all along....
Isnt it fun though... Sounds like a 5th season will be happening - will be interesting to see who makes it back.
I do beleive there is probably a lot of jealousy of Gretchen from Vicky and Tamera. Gretchen is young, beautiful, and fun to be around. Look at last season - Tamera was ALL about getting ALL the attention and being the 'hottest housewife'.... she is all threatened with Gretchen so had to tear down anything positive - classic behavior. I did notice Simon getting irritated with her Gretchen obsession.
Oh - and the claiming she was DRUNK when she said all that stuff at her party when trying to get Gretchen drunh was a crock!! Se set out to try to get Gretchen to make a fool of herself all along....
Isnt it fun though...
Sounds like a 5th season will be happening - will be interesting to see who makes it back.
LauraMax
Cathlete
Well, I'm not sure if I can add to what Stacey said b/c I think she pretty much nailed it, but I'll sure try........
I think what convinced me that Gretchen's not so bad was the fact that she refused to marry Jeff in the hospital. If she was a gold digger through & through, & if she didn't care about him, she would've. And ITA about that whole "protect yourself" BS from Vicki. It was disgusting & opportunistic. I was very glad to her Gretchen didn't take her advice.
If Tamra's the hottest housewife, there must be some seriously fugly women in Beverly Hills.
I think what convinced me that Gretchen's not so bad was the fact that she refused to marry Jeff in the hospital. If she was a gold digger through & through, & if she didn't care about him, she would've. And ITA about that whole "protect yourself" BS from Vicki. It was disgusting & opportunistic. I was very glad to her Gretchen didn't take her advice.
If Tamra's the hottest housewife, there must be some seriously fugly women in Beverly Hills.
neicebug
Cathlete
"Vicki (sp?): I hate the way she treats her husband and... Oh man, I really cannot stand her at all and can't think of anything good to say. Her carrying on about the things Gretchen does to attract attention are all true and those things are annoying (again, Gretchen's very young and spoiled) but, with Vicki's chronic war-whooping to draw attention to HERself, it's a bit like the pot calling the kettle. "
I think that is what annoys me too, Vicki and Tamra both complain about traits of Gretchen that they hate....but are just like them! Very ironic!
I think that is what annoys me too, Vicki and Tamra both complain about traits of Gretchen that they hate....but are just like them! Very ironic!
netsnotes16
Cathlete
Thanks for catchin' me up, I went to bed early last night.
SirenSongWoman
Cathlete
Sorry, guys. I have.... editing issues. I can't believe that show was the first thing I thought of when I woke this morning...
MsTara
Cathlete
Gretchen is a tool. She was called out and her face told the truth.
Ditto on hating Tamra and Vicki.
Ditto on hating Tamra and Vicki.
Jeez I guess I'm a little naive, or I have a tendency to want people to be good, but after last night's reunion I'm pretty sure Gretchen was cheating on Jeff the whole time she was with him.
Still flippin hate Tamra & Vicki though. Especially Vicki.
MsTara
Cathlete
Gretchen didn't have to marry him to be left something in his will. She also said "He didn't leave me millions and millions..." which means he left her at least a million because who would say something like that?
I looked at it like this: Gretchen is a sweetheart. I thought it was adorable when she gave all the housewives a coach coin purse. However, she was young, Jeff was old, and much worse he was sick. This doesn't mean that she didn't care on some level, but when you have another guy on the side and 4 months later have his clothes in your closet or on the bedroom floor...Plus the way she reacted to Tamra calling her out...she's a tool. Doesnt mean she's a bad person as a whole, but it does show she's sneaky.
I looked at it like this: Gretchen is a sweetheart. I thought it was adorable when she gave all the housewives a coach coin purse. However, she was young, Jeff was old, and much worse he was sick. This doesn't mean that she didn't care on some level, but when you have another guy on the side and 4 months later have his clothes in your closet or on the bedroom floor...Plus the way she reacted to Tamra calling her out...she's a tool. Doesnt mean she's a bad person as a whole, but it does show she's sneaky.
Well, I'm not sure if I can add to what Stacey said b/c I think she pretty much nailed it, but I'll sure try........
I think what convinced me that Gretchen's not so bad was the fact that she refused to marry Jeff in the hospital. If she was a gold digger through & through, & if she didn't care about him, she would've. And ITA about that whole "protect yourself" BS from Vicki. It was disgusting & opportunistic. I was very glad to her Gretchen didn't take her advice.
If Tamra's the hottest housewife, there must be some seriously fugly women in Beverly Hills.
baylian
Cathlete
Gretchen - was she? I am not sure. I think her face would have been more surprised had she been. When she was describing Jeff's last moments I wanted to smack Tamra and Vicki. I think it could be a man from her past that was jealous and obviously found a way to get back at her through Tamra. And if she is sleeping with him now - does it matter.
Tamra - a caddy biatch. No other words for her. And I think her son is not a hunk like he thinks. ick.
Vicki - I like how she doesn't take crap from her kids but she is such a control freak.
Jeanna - plays both sides. And her oldest son would be out the door, the will and my life if he was mine and treated me like that. It's irritating that she can throw stones at the other kids of the girls but hers are no better.
Lynn - be a MOTHER - not a best friend.
Laurie - I miss her on the show.
I think the show will be back as it is the first and I think still the most popular. I have a feeling that either Lynn or Gretchen won't be back. Lynn because she did not bring that much to the show, Gretchen because she has lost her bling supply but I can see her getting offers for other stuff (playboy) and making her own way.
On to the Big Apple . . . . Jill's mother is a crack up - such a nice, Jewish Yenta Mother.
Anyone watching millionaire matchmaker?
Tamra - a caddy biatch. No other words for her. And I think her son is not a hunk like he thinks. ick.
Vicki - I like how she doesn't take crap from her kids but she is such a control freak.
Jeanna - plays both sides. And her oldest son would be out the door, the will and my life if he was mine and treated me like that. It's irritating that she can throw stones at the other kids of the girls but hers are no better.
Lynn - be a MOTHER - not a best friend.
Laurie - I miss her on the show.
I think the show will be back as it is the first and I think still the most popular. I have a feeling that either Lynn or Gretchen won't be back. Lynn because she did not bring that much to the show, Gretchen because she has lost her bling supply but I can see her getting offers for other stuff (playboy) and making her own way.
On to the Big Apple . . . . Jill's mother is a crack up - such a nice, Jewish Yenta Mother.
Anyone watching millionaire matchmaker?
Massaging Mom
Cathlete
Junkfood for the mind. Love it!
Whatever about Gretchen. I still think she was the sweetest housewife, who isn't really a wife. I think she was lying about having an affair. However, that's not my business; nor was it Tamara's business to make it everyone's business. So, he was old and she's young. She wasn't nasty or mean towards anyone. I don't blame her one bit for not toasting. LOL She's the only one who I'd want to party with.
Tamara... No class, jealous, and ugly (inside and out). There was NO need to talk about Slade. Ugly. I about died laughing when they passed out the t-shirts. Gretchen and Jeana don't need to Really buy themselves any! Who owns the color pink or the desire to have 4 kids? She needs to get over herself! ...maybe when she gets her nose out of Vicki's butt. Yes, I went there.
Vicki... Whatever. She's another one who needs to get over herself. So she can buy herself a Rolex and help a stripper get off the pole. Somebody hand her the Nobel Peace Prize. I hope her husband opens his eyes, mans up, and leaves her.
Lynn... I don't recall her saying anything mean to or about Vicki. If Vicki is referring to the will conversation... pluzee! She was just sticking to what she believed to be right. It's Vicki's own fault if she wants to be defensive about encouraging Gretchen towards being a gold digger. About her kids... My late FIL and MIL, who were/are awesome and loving parents, had the same idea about drinking and teens. They raised good men! So what if she's smoking pot. Again, it's none of my business. I prefer laid back people over nasty, mean-spirited ones.
Jeana... Her son should be ashamed of himself and man up.
Wendy
Whatever about Gretchen. I still think she was the sweetest housewife, who isn't really a wife.
I think she was lying about having an affair. However, that's not my business; nor was it Tamara's business to make it everyone's business. So, he was old and she's young. She wasn't nasty or mean towards anyone. I don't blame her one bit for not toasting. LOL She's the only one who I'd want to party with. Tamara... No class, jealous, and ugly (inside and out). There was NO need to talk about Slade. Ugly. I about died laughing when they passed out the t-shirts. Gretchen and Jeana don't need to Really buy themselves any!
Who owns the color pink or the desire to have 4 kids? She needs to get over herself! ...maybe when she gets her nose out of Vicki's butt. Yes, I went there. Vicki... Whatever.
She's another one who needs to get over herself. So she can buy herself a Rolex and help a stripper get off the pole. Somebody hand her the Nobel Peace Prize. I hope her husband opens his eyes, mans up, and leaves her. Lynn... I don't recall her saying anything mean to or about Vicki. If Vicki is referring to the will conversation... pluzee! She was just sticking to what she believed to be right. It's Vicki's own fault if she wants to be defensive about encouraging Gretchen towards being a gold digger. About her kids... My late FIL and MIL, who were/are awesome and loving parents, had the same idea about drinking and teens. They raised good men! So what if she's smoking pot. Again, it's none of my business. I prefer laid back people over nasty, mean-spirited ones.
Jeana... Her son should be ashamed of himself and man up.
Wendy
Massaging Mom
Cathlete
Ooh, the Millionaire Matchmaker - now this show deserves its own thread. I love, love, LOVE that show!
I just watched the reunion show. I think Tamra really needs deep psychological counseling (can't remember if I've already mentioned this) and Vicki seemed a little less spastic. Whatever Gretchen had with Jeff is between them but you don't care for someone who is so sick without having a strong connection to them. Did she fool around? Who knows and who cares but based on what was presented on the show, I don't find a strong argument that she did.
I'm really loving the NY Housewives. I think I have a stronger connection to them perhaps because NY is closer to where I live. Whatever the reason, juicy stuff is a comin'! I can't wait!
Bam
I just watched the reunion show. I think Tamra really needs deep psychological counseling (can't remember if I've already mentioned this) and Vicki seemed a little less spastic. Whatever Gretchen had with Jeff is between them but you don't care for someone who is so sick without having a strong connection to them. Did she fool around? Who knows and who cares but based on what was presented on the show, I don't find a strong argument that she did.
I'm really loving the NY Housewives. I think I have a stronger connection to them perhaps because NY is closer to where I live. Whatever the reason, juicy stuff is a comin'! I can't wait!
Bam