Our own vicious dogs.............long

LauraMax

Cathlete
We've been dealing w/this for a few years now & it has once again come to a head.

There's a woman in our town (let's call her Ms. L) who owns 5 dogs. Two of her dogs have been put down during the last 5 years for biting neighbors, postmen, police men, & our animal control officer. Every time one dog is put down she gets another.

Not only is this a serious danger to the people living in her neighborhood, it's also affected them in other ways. For example, after the postman was bitten the second time USPS refused to deliver mail to the entire street.

The law has really tied our hands with this. The only thing allowable by the state is to declare an animal vicious after two documented bites & have it put down. We cannot prevent Ms. L from getting additional dogs, we cannot refuse her a dog license.

I'm getting ready to call the SPCA to see if we can tackle this from another angle. My personal viewpoint is that dogs are what they are raised to be, & clearly this woman is raising her dogs to attack people. I think dogs, much like children, learn to attack people only when they live in an abusive environment.

And of course we get the "outlaw pitbulls" rant again b/c the latest incident involved a pitbull. That just drives me insane! If a pitbull is raised in a loving environment it will be a loving animal. If its raised in a cruel environment it will be a cruel animal. It's true of all breeds! The last dog of Ms. L's we had to put down was a german shephard. They can be the sweetest dogs in the world.

What kills me is pets are considered property. If you misuse property usually the right to have it is taken away from you. For example, too many speeding tickets & your driver's license is suspended. If you misuse a firearm you lose your permit. If pets are considered property, why can't we refuse giving out a license to people who "misuse" them?

So does anyone know of any other way we can stop this woman before she damages yet another puppy?
 
Laura,

I wish I did know of another way to stop someone with a proven track record of recklessness with animals from getting more.

I have been researching animal rights law and animal cruelty cases nonstop since last night. I have come across many attorneys around the country that specialize in this type of law. In fact, I was just reading a website that was mentioning the exact issue that you talked about; animals being viewed as property.

Perhaps sending an email inquiring about your situation here would be helpful.

Here is the website I was just on...

http://www.animal-rights-lawyer.com/

Not sure if my post is of ANY help to you at all, but I wanted to chime in letting you know that there are many offices that specialize in these matters.
 
A hammer?

Seriously, maybe you should call Dateline or something? Bad press can do a lot.

I hope someone has a fantastic suggestion, although I'm still a fan of my original one.

Mattea
 
> We cannot prevent
>Ms. L from getting additional dogs, we cannot refuse her a dog
>license.

I've heard of cases where animal owners are banned from having pets for a certain amount of time. (unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be a permanent ban, just a year,,,maybe longer in some cases.) The judge makes this part of his decision when the offender is taken to court.
 
I totally sympathize. Is there any way that you can require training for any new dog she does get? I would bet that she does not like putting her dogs down, but knows no other way to train them. Maybe with a bit of retraining for her, the dogs will be sound?

There has to be another angle, though. What about the right of her neighbors not to be harrassed or threatened in their own neighborhood. Can the neighbors do anything?
 
I think calling the SPCA or some other similar organization is a good place to start. I wonder if there's a cruelty or neglect angle that could be pursued.

Good luck.
 
Too bad you can't find out who her home insurance company is. I'm sure they'd like to know she's had many incidents involving her dogs. That's a lawsuit just waiting to happen. Maybe a 'bite' to her pocketbook in the form of a rate hike would make her think twice about getting another dog. BTW, this is just an outside-the-box thought. I'm in no way an expert in insurance!

When we switched insurance carriers a number of years ago, they inspected our house and also asked questions about the dog. Our dog is a mix of what we think is pit bull,german shepherd and maybe something else. She's a real marshmallow but our agent told us to only volunteer that she's a mutt, nothing more because they could raise our rates if she were known as a breed that's on their 'list'. I don't agree with the 'list' concept either, but that's just what they told me. Dogs are definitely a product of their environment.
 
That's what I'm hoping for. Our town attny has pretty much blown this off, says the state doesn't allow us to do anything. I raised the possibility of getting her from the animal cruelty issue instead of the cruel animal issue.

Christine, the neighbors can sue--I know of at least two who have been bitten. But they're hesitant to go that route b/c I think they've spoken to lawyers who've told them it'd be a long, drawn out & emotionally draining process.

Truthfully, if it were me, I'd sue the crap outta her. I'd make sure she didn't have a house left where she could own dogs. Those poor animals--one of them was removed from her home & placed in a shelter for a few weeks. After about 7 days or so of TLC the dog started calming down & evidently became very affectionate & sweet.

Unfortunately, the poor thing was returned to her after a 14 day holding period & is no doubt miserable & pissed off all over again.
 
Get together with others in the neighborhood and do three things:

1. Contact your City Attorney, Clerk's Office, and Ombudsman and make a nuisance complaint. With this, start a log on incidents and document how it affect each neighbor and the neighborhood as a whole.

2. Get an attorney and sue the neighbor for interference and the disruption of the quiet enjoyment of your property. Every homeowner and renter has the right to the quiet enjoyment of his/her property. Also, request a TRO (temp restraining order) preventing her from obtaining another animal. This is a personal injury claim and you will have to state how you damaged and how you will suffer irreparable harm if the TRO is not granted so start thinking about that; and

3. Write a letter to the City Council or whatever board you have governing and threaten to sue the City and police dept. for failure to prevent/intervene in a dangerous situation. Couch the letter as a notice of the situation and that if nothing is done, you intend to sue to sue to have them execute the duties for which they have held themselves out to perform.

Good luck!!!
 
If your area has a humane society with any clout, they should be able to remove the animal from the property. You'd need to have evidence that the animal(s) is being abused. Then contact the humane society and the police.
 
>Get together with others in the neighborhood and do three
>things:
>
>1. Contact your City Attorney, Clerk's Office, and Ombudsman
>and make a nuisance complaint. With this, start a log on
>incidents and document how it affect each neighbor and the
>neighborhood as a whole.
>
>2. Get an attorney and sue the neighbor for interference and
>the disruption of the quiet enjoyment of your property. Every
>homeowner and renter has the right to the quiet enjoyment of
>his/her property. Also, request a TRO (temp restraining
>order) preventing her from obtaining another animal. This is
>a personal injury claim and you will have to state how you
>damaged and how you will suffer irreparable harm if the TRO is
>not granted so start thinking about that; and
>
>3. Write a letter to the City Council or whatever board you
>have governing and threaten to sue the City and police dept.
>for failure to prevent/intervene in a dangerous situation.
>Couch the letter as a notice of the situation and that if
>nothing is done, you intend to sue to sue to have them execute
>the duties for which they have held themselves out to
>perform.
>
>Good luck!!!

Kim! I work for the town! :+

I have a call in to an SPCA attny to see if they have any advice. I'll keep you posted.
 
Isn't there a law that prohibits letting your animals roam the street? It seems like there's where the problem is. If they were fenced in or tied up, they couldn't bite anyone. Surely she could be forced to do that.
 
Yes, we have a leash law & she allegedly has a fence. But she lives on a quiet residential street so even if she was violating the law we wouldn't know unless someone reported it to us.

Part of the problem is our ACO isn't great at documenting stuff. I'm trying to prepare for the next incident, b/c there WILL be another incident.
 
>A hammer?
>
>Seriously, maybe you should call Dateline or something? Bad
>press can do a lot.
>
>I hope someone has a fantastic suggestion, although I'm still
>a fan of my original one.
>
>Mattea


...um...I like both of your ideas...(hammer..);-)
 

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