Opinions on a work issue please

buffettgirl

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I work in a hospital lab department with about 8 other people. I'm responsible for assigning work stations. One guy in the department seems to be on vacation more than anyone else, so today I got out all the old schedules for the last 2 years. He's had 38 days of vacation this year and 30 last year. The problem is we only get 26 days of vacation a year. I'm guessing that this guy, who is a famous BSer anyway, is not entering vacation time on his computer payroll, but entering work hours instead. The supervisor who approves the computer entries really doesn't check who is here or when.

So, do I squeal on the guy? DH says to let it go. He asked me if I really want the guy to be fired, which is a possiblity. Well, maybe not fired, but told to stop cheating the system and his coworkers.

Would you tell? Send an anonymous note to the boss? Let it go? Say something directly to him?

I have no supervisory powers, nor do I want any for just this reason. I hate confrontation.
 
That's a tough situation Robin. I know that personally I would want SOMETHING to be done to keep this guy from continuing to cheat the system. It's not fair that he get vacation days that he is not entitled to when the rest of you are honest and only take what is coming to you. I can, however, understand your reservations in "squealing" on him. I know personally that I definately would NOT confront him myself if I were you. Can you go to your boss w/o being "outed" so that the guy doesn't know who told on him??
 
+Robin this is a tough call.

Of course you don't want to be an informant, however it is just not right if he is indeed getting away with greater than the maximum number of vacation days. Based on that it may be OK to speak to your suervisor in confidence. If the documentation is there, then it speaks for itself. It doesn't have to be pinned on you. How well do you trust you supervisor to keep you out of it?



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Well, the company I work for has a policy that all such issues can and should be reported and they have a hotline for people who want to talk about something they're uncomfortable with. Does your organization have something like that in place? If it really bothers you, is it something you can talk to an HR person about and ask to remain anonymous? Since you're not his super, I suspect you wouldn't be involved, anyway, but they might want to look at the schedules.

It's a tricky situation. I hate it when people cheat the system.

Sorry, I know this isn't very helpful!
Marie
 
Robin-
He is stealing.... If he were stealing drugs or cash would you sit on it? I dont think you would... do an anonymous note if you feel its "safer" that way... tell the powers that be they need to audit the same places you found the info then its up to them. If nothing is done you will at least know that you did the right thing and then as DH says Let it go. Thats my thought.... you have to look yourself in the mirror every day and you seem like the kind of person who wouldnt want to just ignore company theft.
Good Luck- its no easy decision
 
I like and trust my supervisor a lot. The trouble is, I don't really think I want the guy to lose his job, and that could be what happens. The supervisor is pretty much a by the rules guy if something wrong is being done and can't be ignored. I wish there was a co worker at my level that I trusted enough to discuss this with. The only one I could have talked this over with retired in April. I may have to give her a call and get her take on this.
 
I had that same dilemma in my old job. I worked 10+ hour days and was always honest about how I recorded my time. There was a number of people that were constantly late, didn't do their jobs and recorded their time incorrectly. They would take vacation and record it as work time. I wasn't their supervisor so I couldn't do anything about it. I wasn't really comfortable going to my boss to discuss it as I didn't trust her and didn't feel that it was my place to say anything about it. The truth is, I feel that my boss was aware of it but didn't have the guts to say anything to the people that were cheating. In the end, I decided to let it go. They were not my responsibility and if that's how my boss wanted to run our branch then who was I to say differently. I did end up leaving the job after 7 1/2 years due to this issue and many others things that I didn't agree with.

It's really your call on whether you want to inform your supervisor of this issue. You know the people and the company that you work for the best, so you need to do what you feel is best.
 
{{{{{Robin}}}}}, I have to agree with Judy, especially since you have a good relationship with your supervisor. I would also like to point out that it's NOT YOUR FAULT if he loses his job over this. The rest of you are pulling his weight when he takes extra time off that he hasn't earned. And as if that's not enough, he's getting paid, too. I think cheating on your computer payroll is a truly despicable act. God only knows what other mischief he's been up to. If I were you I would talk to your supervisor and just present it as something he might want to investigate--just put the ball in his court. I would not speak directly to the offending coworker but let your boss take care of it.
 
I wouldn't say anything. What if he is actually documenting the time correctly and taking unpaid time off. It would really bug me though. I would probably find some backhanded way to bring it up in which I make myself look a little dumb to get to the truth. Although, I don't know what that would be in this instance. Melissa
 
First of all, talk to your HR dept. hey can smoothly guide you in a direction that's good for everyone. That is what they get paid for, they are trained specialists in human affairs in the workforce and any legal matters. They can also find out why he has so many days, and if he's been "cheating". There could be special circumstances that might be just under the surface that no one but HR knows about.

However, if he is "cheating" and caught, you're identity has to be legally protected unless you so choose otherwise.

Good luck with this...it does seem unfair, but remember Human Resource personnel are there as a neutral party between all co-workers, management and supervisors. They would handle any confrontation, if there is one. You should not have confront anyone. If you have a problem they will certainly be the ones who could shine some light on the situation. It's always best to go through proper channels. Besides, if your boss or whoever signs off on the computer entries were confronted to realize they made a mistake, this would put them on the defense immediately, not good. So I can't stress this enough "Go to the HR Dept. first"...

Most likely he will not lose his job, he would however be reprimanded, according to their policies and procedures.

I hope this helps:)


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I work in Human Resources and have for 8 years. Just wanted to preface my message with that statement...this is the opinion of an HR person.

In my opinion, a person has an ETHICAL obligation to report anything that may be construed as stealing from the company. Misreporting hours as worked when a person is actually out, is stealing. If you think this may be happening, you should report it. Period. Again, my opinion.

One thing to ask before I continue with my recommendation to you...does your company have "personal" days or "family sick leave" of some sort? For example, at my company, I get 14 days of vacation, 10 sick days, and 40 "other days" (which can be used for family illness, court dates, and other life events that require you to be out.) If you have these at your company, this may be what he is doing...he may have something major going on that no one knows about. Or...has this guy been out for any medical problems in the past or do you know if perhaps his immediate family may have medical problems? I am just thinking of the possibilities of how he may legitimately be out, but maybe just isn't advertising the real reason for the leave to the general employee population. For example...maybe he is being granted intermittent Family Medical Leave Act (FMLA) time. He could be caring for a sick child, parent, or spouse and is taking the time off to do this (for example, chemo treatments, kidney dialysis, elder care, etc.) OR, he may have his own medical problems that he is dealing with. I have seen many people in this situation who are hesitant to tell co-workers the real story...they like their privacy and as a result, everyone thinks this person has an unfair amount of vacation time or worse yet, is stealing through the act of misreporting time. This causes morale issues but it is the employee's prerogative to maintain their confidentiality and the supervisor of the employee is not allowed to break this confidentiality.

Here is what I would do. I wouldn't ask questions or get nosy...I would simply go to the employee's supervisor (not sure if it is the same as your supervisor) and say something like this:

"I am not ______'s supervisor, nor am I accusing him of any wrondoing. However, I feel it is my ethical obligation to bring to your attention that during the course of my workstation scheduling duties, I have noticed that this person is out quite a lot. He may or may not have a legitimate reason for this, but I thought it was my obligation to bring this to your attention and put it in your hands to investigate it accordingly."

Note - there are no questions asked. There is simply a statement made. After you do this, tell YOUR supervisor (if it is a different person from the other employee's supervisor). Then, your supervisor will not be blindsided if the other supervisor approaches them. Also, you are covering your bases in the event the employee's supervisor does nothing and it turns out later on that the person WAS stealing and that you knew about it all along and didn't report it (it will be your word against the supervisor's word).

If this doesn't get results, I would give up. I wouldn't take it higher...put the owness on the supervisor of the employee. If they choose to do nothing, at least you did your part by reporting it. Again, make sure your supervisor is informed of the action you took. Good luck!

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I have to second everything that Dianna said in her post....The first thing I thought of was that this guy is stealing from your company...I come from a retail background...and tend to think in those terms.....If you don't say something this person will continue to steal and your hospital will lose money and in the long term this also leads to higher costs, lower raises for honest employees, etc...Figure out how much money this person is costing you guys...and then decide what you think about turning him in.

Good luck. I know this is a hard place to be in.

Debra
 
Robin,
I would say something to the coworker about it. Since you assign
work stations, you could question him casually about his vacation
days and see what he says. If he knows people are aware of what
he's doing, he may quit doing it. I'll bet some others in your
department have noticed the same thing about him.
Good luck!
Valleygirl
 
Thanks all.

Diana, I really value your opinion, since it come from an HR position. I don't think the guy has any Family or Medical Leave, but who knows for sure. I know he used to take a lot of nonpaid/nonproductive time to kind of extend his vacation. (How can he afford that?) This guy is such a sleezy BSer and I've seen him talk his way around lots of sticky situations. I'm going to sleep on this for a while and try to get up the nerve to say something to HR. The point that it is my ethical responsiblity to do something is very well taken.

Again, thanks for all the imput. I knew I'd get some good advice from you folks.
 
Hello Robin,

I would advise talking to this person in private first. It won't be confrontational if you do not accuse him of anything. Just tell him that you've noticed he has taken a few more days of vacation than staff is allowed. He may offer some kind of explanation, in which case you can decide whether it is acceptable.

I would point out to him that in this case you may let is slide, but you will be keeping an eye on his absences and if he keep taking more days than is allowed then you will report him to the supervisor.

I don't like the idea of going to the supervisor and grassing on somebody. He might have a valid reason for taking the days off - a sick family member - in which case I would hate for someone to lose their job under such circumstances.

Give him prior warning first so he can mend his ways.

Yen
 
Let me get this straight.

You are responsible for work assignments and you have to juggle a person thats always absent, for reasons that you are not privy too, could be vacation, sick leave, leave without pay. Ok so you don't have management responsibilities but you are a supervisor as you have to make sure work assignments are covered.

You've already talked to your boss and it was glossed over, that person may know more about it than you are allowed to know about. The absences may be legit. You're issue is covering the work assigments so another meeting with your superior and say hey can we curb this guys absences, it's really tough to schedule around him. You can even say other people are questioning his time off and carrying his load.

When I was a union steward I was involved in a similar situation. The employee's absences were on the up and up, he didn't care to share his info with his coworkers and managment wasn't allowed to share it. Management was forced to hire another person to cover the work when the situation went long term and the work backed up.

Since you don't know how his leave is reconciled, and you brought it to your boss, it may be legit. Your concern is the work scheduling not the leave. You can sleep at night because you brought up your concern, even if you were brushed off.

dave
 
Good luck, Robin - let us know what happens! And I totally hear ya about the people that are "BSers" and seem to get away with everything. I have worked with (and for!) many of these (as I am sure we all have). I always hold to the belief that in the end, these people hang themselves...all you need to do is hand them the rope. It would appear that he is doing something shady, but you never really know. I wish you well with this issue - it is a tough one with many different viewpoints. Be strong and follow the course of action that feels right to you and your ethical beliefs.

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Also working in HR for over 10 years, I do agree with Dianna's opinion that you should report it, but I would go directly to HR with this one. In my company, stealing company time is a terminable offense for first time offenders, and I wonder if that employee's supervisor is really going to look into the situation. When reporting to HR, you could write an anonymous statement, but you'll need to include a lot of detail and facts to support your statement.

Again, I agree with Dianna that you should report it. I think if someone is getting away with something like this, it brings down morale in the work group. Good luck!!
 
Just wanted to say you have gotten great advice here, and good luck! Let us know how it all turns out - I can't stand deadbeat BSers.

Missy
 

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