One more reason to go organic

Do you mean eating them or their mere existence? ;) When my niece told me about puss and blood in milk, I decided that $7.00 a gallon was not too much. :) And de-beaking chickens got me started trying to get some changes regarding the treatment of animals. Chickens are not even considered animals and are not required to be killed humanely. I have major issues with the so called hume means used on other types of animals but it's an uphill battle since most people have no idea where their food suppy comes from or how i's treated. Personally and jumping back to the original thought, I like soymilk and favor it over cow's milk except for organic half and half, but the kids hate it. I have found that some organic dairy products are not quite as flavorful as the other stuff, in particular, sour cream but one adjusts and that's the key. I sneak vegetarian meats-like products into my son's diet and he has no idea. I don't mind animal products at all and I won't get started on the amount of really icky stuff we consume as a matter of course since it's in there whether we like it or not. }(
Bobbi http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/chicken.gif "Chick's rule!"

Tell me, what it is you plan to do with your one wild and precious life? -Mary Oliver
 
Shelley,who needs one more reason to go that way? The endorphins alone are a good reason Okay, a second reason, it's easier to get motivated for it than it is to get motivated for exercise and it requires no exercise equipment -oh, I could have fun with THAT but won't - and it can be done virtually anywhere. Well, that's not strictly true but for the adventurous, finding interesting and unusal settings could be a reason. And Shelley, it IS organic! :D
Bobbi http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/chicken.gif "Chick's rule!"

Tell me, what it is you plan to do with your one wild and precious life? -Mary Oliver
 
OK, Bobbi I am totally grossed out right now. My dh already thinks I'm nutty when it comes to meat. Hmm, vegetarian is sounding really good right now. ha ha! Actually, I'm not kidding. My stomach is turning thinking about that article and I didn't even read the whole thing. About a month ago I started buying organic milk for the kids. I'm not much of a milk drinker. As for the rest of my groceries I'm slowly converting to organic.

Got soy milk? :7 What brand do you recommend? Maybe that would be a good milk option for me since I have genetically high cholesterol.

Thanks (I think ;-)) for sharing the above link.

Dallas
 
>Actually, it seems more like a reason to go vegan.;-)
>
>I agree completely with Kathryn. :)...also after reading "The Food Revolution", "Mad Cowboy", "No More Bull" and currently "The China Study" I will most likely be Vegan the rest of my life...:)...Carole
 
>>Actually, it seems more like a reason to go vegan.;-)
>>
>>I agree completely with Kathryn. :)...also after reading "The
>Food Revolution", "Mad Cowboy", "No More Bull" and currently
>"The China Study" I will most likely be Vegan the rest of my
>life...:)...Carole

Vegan. That's what I need to look into. ha ha! Seriously, I need to get to the library and check one of these books out.

Thanks for listing these Carole!

Dallas
 
>>Food Revolution", "Mad Cowboy", "No More Bull" and currently
>>"The China Study" I will most likely be Vegan the rest of my
>>life...:)...Carole
>
>Vegan. That's what I need to look into. ha ha! Seriously, I
>need to get to the library and check one of these books out.
>
>Thanks for listing these Carole!
>
>Dallas

You can check out Howards site about 2 of the books. www.madcowboy.com also you can get all of these books at Amazon.com...:)...Carole
 
Dallas, it all starts with being grossed out. You're doomed, I tell you doomed! Be prepared to explain why your gorcery bill tripled and to be accused of being a food fanatic when you get all picky and won't eat anything but the best! :D
Bobbi http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/chicken.gif "Chick's rule!"

Tell me, what it is you plan to do with your one wild and precious life? -Mary Oliver
 
>Got soy milk? :7 What brand do you recommend? Maybe that
>would be a good milk option for me since I have genetically
>high cholesterol.
>

Not Bobbi here, but "Silk" makes some very good soymilks. I mix it up between their "enhanced" (with added flax oil...but you don't even notice it) and their "unsweetened" (somewhat of an acquired taste, so maybe not for soymilk newbies!)

People switching to soymilk nowdays are lucky: back when I started drinking it (70's), most of the soymilks tasted very "beany" and weren't that good on their own (they were good in baking, though).

I don't know what happened, but most modern soy milks are much better! (Of course, I could be used to the taste, but I've tasted some recently that still taste beany).

Other brands I like:
Edensoy, Pacific (there is a Pacific Plus--I think--soymilk that is also enhanced with some extra good stuff).

Watch the carb content of some soymilks. Some have more added sweeteners in than others. (If I would find a "too sweet" soymilk that I otherwise liked, I'd mix it, maybe 1/2 and 1/2 with Silk Unsweetened).
 
The enhanced Silk is my soymilk of choice. It's is wonderful! When it comes to cholesterol, Kathryn would be of great help because it is the amount of saturated fat in your diet that makes it rise and she is an expert on eliminating saturated fats of all kinds, including the plant based palm and coconut oils.

I also dislike the amount of sugar added but try not to get too wiggy about anything I eat because I have recently, under stress, gotten back in touch with my inner anorexic and I have to be careful not to be a total idiot about adding orthorexia, which someone described as the fixation on righteous eating" to that. x(
Bobbi http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/chicken.gif "Chick's rule!"

Tell me, what it is you plan to do with your one wild and precious life? -Mary Oliver
 
Thanks Kathyrn and Bobbi for the Silk recommendation. I'll pick some up.

I really do watch the saturated fats. My whole family has this high cholesterol problem. I have the lowest out of everyone, but it's still 285. I've been on Lipitor for a month, so I'll get tested soon to see where it's at and check the liver enzymes. Anyway, thanks for all the above info!

You're right I have seen a rise in our grocery bill! :eek:

Take care.

Dallas
 
I too eat mostly vegan and mostly organic. I get stuff from Whole Foods, the farmer's market, the local food co-op and a couple of things mail order, like sprouting seeds. When I lived in the boonies, I mail-ordered staples and just did the best I could with produce.

My soy milk of choice is Silk Unsweetened. The only non-vegan stuff I eat is milk in my coffee when I'm travelling and the coffee shop doesn't have soy, eggs from the farmer's market and sometimes a meat broth in a restaurant soup or small bits of meat that might be in something I'm served as a guest.

The main reason I do it is because of animal welfare, the factory farms are so horrific I can't in good conscience buy any of their products. Secondarily, the environmental impact of animal agriculture, especially the huge factory farms that are hell holes to work in, pollute the air and water and hurt small farmers. Lastly, health. I think this is the least compelling reason not to eat meat. In small quantities, I dont' think it hurts you and it may even be good for you.

And I certainly think it tastes good! If they ever grow meat in tissue culture media like I recently read some research about, I am certainly going to eat it more regularly.
 
This is a BIG reason I became a vegan. For years and years(13 to be exact), I thought I could NEVER give up milk, eggs, cheese, etc. But once I really thought about what I was eating and the fact that there are many great alternatives to those choices, it was a no-brainer. It's like once you really know something, you can never go back to not knowing.

I too thought about how animals have been eaten by Native Americans as a means to justify my own eating of meat. After awhile, that excuse stopped making sense to me. I wasn't going out hunting on my own where the animal has a chance. I was eating an animal that was raised to be slaughtered, and done so in a heartless, methodical, and cruel way. I will never understand the term "humane slaughter" either. There is no such thing. Do you think the animal wants to be slaughtered? I suspect the animal has a desire to live. And I think the animal has a right to live out it's life just like we do.
After I really started thinking about this stuff, I quickly realized that eating animal products of any kind promotes that system. I cannot respect myself if I support such a cruel and degrading process. I know deep down that the system will continue without my support. But at least I know that I'm no longer a part of it.

carolyn
 
I'm not really disagreeing with you, but for me, it's not the way or the fact that they're slaughtered, it's the way they live in stressful cruel filthy profit-driven conditions from birth to death. Often the slaughter is also cruel. But they'd have to do more than slaughter humanely for me to buy into the system at all. The animals have to live quality lives, the workers have to have decent working conditions, there has to be attention paid to the pollution and energy usage of the industry. Small farms are best, that's for sure.

Native Americans are not all so innocent either. They drove the large mammals of the Pleistocene to extinction once they got here. Ground sloths, horses, mastodons, lots of things used to live here before people arrived. But that's another subject, and certainly straying a bit from the topic of fitness!

Long story short, I just try to make my purchases reflect my values as much as possible, and the factory farms are not getting my family's money.
 
>I'm not really disagreeing with you, but for me, it's not the
>way or the fact that they're slaughtered, it's the way they
>live in stressful cruel filthy profit-driven conditions from
>birth to death. Often the slaughter is also cruel. But they'd
>have to do more than slaughter humanely for me to buy into the
>system at all. The animals have to live quality lives, the
>workers have to have decent working conditions, there has to
>be attention paid to the pollution and energy usage of the
>industry. Small farms are best, that's for sure.
>
>I agree completly. Too bad that small farms are so uncommon. I also felt deceived when I learned that "free range" animals aren't necessarily treated any better than factory farm animals are. This isn't true of all cases, but since I have no way of knowing how the animals are truely treated, I have to assume they are mistreated. Sad but true.

carolyn
 
okay so what's the big deal? Buying regular milk...gasp...will poison us or something? I think regular ole milk is still good for us. Plus paying like 7 upwards dollar a gallon? Aye. Sorry but there just seems to be too many rules and scares etc for me. Just my opinion, not pushing anything on anyone else.


"you miss 100% of the shots you never take"

Debbie
 
Soy milk is just as good if not better for you.
Most people think that spending hundreds of dollars on exercise dvd's is crazy too. But we know that spending money on health is far better than spending money on convience.
carolyn
 
k...so you buy soy and I'll buy regular ;) I totally understand why you would want to, but I just don't see the point. That's just ME.


"you miss 100% of the shots you never take"

Debbie
 
I agree with you Debbie! I drink milk and so do my kids and dh. Soon we will find out how bad soy is and that it causes cancer. I hope I never have anyone over for dinner that eats and thinks like that. They will go home very hungry. I can't eat soy products because I have a thyroid condition. Boo hoo, I'm sad about that.:7 By the way, I didn't even read the whole article. Tomorrow it will be something else!
 
LOL fab, i hear you. I just don't like soy milk. True enough, everything will be bad for us soon and then nobody will be eating or drinking anything....but we'll all still be buff from Cathe ;)


"you miss 100% of the shots you never take"

Debbie
 
The term organic didn't exist in it's current context in the pre WW II days. Everything was raised that way and pesticides were developed as for warfare. There are many small farm procucts available but you pay a high dollar and that is another reason going organic is not for everyone. Cheap cuts of meat come out of those hellish places and for the poor that's an only option. Small farms are requred by the FDA to use their facilities for slaughter. Cage free may be the term you are describing some chickens live in large barns and are treated better than their caged brethern but never see the light of day. And you can check. Email, call and write these places the really good ones respond very quickly and if they are local, go and see.
Bobbi http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/chicken.gif "Chick's rule!"

Tell me, what it is you plan to do with your one wild and precious life? -Mary Oliver
 
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