OMG -- (sensitive issue - and LONG)

Lorrie - what a tough situation! My heart going out to your DH's cousin and wife. The news and decision were hard enough to go through without self righteous protesters (and comments). I wish them only the best. They will be in my prayers.
 
Well I am truly sad for your cousin and his wife. :( That is a tuff situation. I myself am prolife but wouldn't act in that way as those protestors did (spitting and being rude). That will not help anyone.
I was also in a situation where I was feeling pressure to get an abortion. (not the same situation though) I was 17 and practically homeless..I had an abusive boyfriend and my life was a mess. I also wasn't very healthy. Everyone was pushing me to it. I went by a planned parenthood and was shocked at how unfeeling they were to my situation and the baby. It literally scared me. I then found a great place that was pro-life(unknowingly at the time) and they were so loving and kind. They offered me love and support and options to help me out. I literally cried in relief to the kindness. I ended up keeping the baby who is 10 now (my situation was rather complicated). I also volunteered there for 6 months of my pregnancy in a area for donations to young moms and those in need. We saw tons of diapers, clothes and necessities come through. They also offered counseling and support groups for those who had had abortions for various reasons and also helped with adoptions. Many women who do get abortions have emotional trauma for many years on. They had supportive families that would take me in and care for all of my needs until the baby came in the adoption program. That is my experience with pro-life groups.
Again I am sorry about the situation they have found themselves in. Just wanted to share that not all pro-lifers behave in a rude uncaring manner. She may even find a lot of comfort in one of the support groups that may be near her for dealing with the loss.
 
First of all: Kaykay...I don't know what you're trying to say, but it SOUNDS like you are one with the protestors. I sure hope not in this situation.

Second of all: Going back to the original post and the ignorant protestors who spit on these people, thinking that they knew the reasons for them going to the clinic, when they really are blissfully ignorant of the pain and suffering already going on...a couple of phrases come to mind:

1) But for the grace of God, there go I.

2) Don't judge someone until you've walked a mile in their shoes.

And I just thought of a 3rd, with a bit of a twist:

3) Never assume, because it could make more of an a$$ out of you than the other person.
 
I am so sorry for your DH's cousin and his wife, Lorrie! What a terrible decision to face and then being subjected to those ignorant and cruel people while going through one of the most difficult situations a woman can go through!!! OMG my heart goes out to them and what they have been through. I can just hope that the saying time heals all wounds will be true for them.

I understand and respect that people are pro-life but I have a real issue with self righteous people. I totally agree with catwoman, great post!!!
 
"God makes no mistake."

God also helps them that help themselves. For an infant to be born into extreme pain and inevitable death, a loving God provides merciful options.
 
Then leave it to God because he is merciful and he knows what he is doing. I am not self righteous, just know that God is in control. I do have a handicapped child and the Dr.s told me to abort. I can't imagine life without her and I choose God.
 
I disagree, kaykay. And I'm not thinking happy thoughts about your beliefs right now. They may work for you, but that doesn't mean they work for everyone. Again, "there but for the grace of God, go you." Unless you've walked a mile in someone else's shoes (which means immersing yourself in their belief system and everything they've endured, by the way), you can NOT speak for others. You're entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't mean your opinion is "right". It may be right for you, but that doesn't mean it's right for everyone. And unless you know God personally and he's sat down and had a cup of coffee with you to tell exactly what he wants, I don't think you're qualified to speak for God, either.

Sorry, but I get very upset with religious zealotry and preachiness.
 
>Then leave it to God because he is merciful and he knows what
>he is doing. I am not self righteous, just know that God is
>in control. I do have a handicapped child and the Dr.s told
>me to abort. I can't imagine life without her and I choose
>God.


I think that is very admirable and I am glad it was the right choice for you to opt pro-life. You have my deepest admiration for choosing your handicapped child, I think your daughter is very lucky to have you.

But that was YOUR choice, just because someone else choses differently does not make them less valuable, less trusting in God, or immoral. It appears a little self-righteous to me to say, this is my belief system and everyone else has to do the same thing that I did. I always thought according to the Bible and teachings of Jesus, it is not up to us to pass judgement on other people!?
 
I was not passing judgement on anyone. My reply was God makes no mistake. He is the one who created the baby and he had a reason for the baby to be born. I also didn't say everyone had to take the same belief as I do, those are words you are putting in my mouth.
 
Thank you ALL for your thoughts, sentiments, prayers and support for my husband's cousin. We keep them in our prayers constantly.

I really didn't (and don't) see this as a pro-choice/pro-life issue, because whatever their discussions with their docs were -- they were. I KNOW for a fact that they shed A LOT of tears and went through a lot of turmoil over the situation. Rather -- I see this as a pure judgmental issue which can just inflict more pain on an already very painful situation.

I tip my hat to you Kaykay for making your decision. I praise God for the blessed beautiful children that I am fortunate to have. I cannot imagine being faced with this decision, but even more than that, after being faced with it, getting guidance from those in the medical field, doing serious praying and soul searching, I cannot imagine those who embrace their cause being so cruel, callous, and condescending as so actually spit on people and call them vicous names.

I hope this thread doesn't turn as ugly as the underlying situation.

Lorrie

www.picturetrail.com/lsass
 
>I was not passing judgement on anyone. My reply was God
>makes no mistake. He is the one who created the baby and he
>had a reason for the baby to be born. I also didn't say
>everyone had to take the same belief as I do, those are words
>you are putting in my mouth.


Well, he may have also had reasons for the baby NOT to be born. None of us knows that, none of us is so superior that we would know what God (or whoever we believe in) wants.

All I know is that it is so sad that a couple who is going through such an excrutiating and difficult decision in their life, is being spit at, judged and condemned without knowing them or their circumstances.
 
Lorrie,
I am so sorry for your cousin. I am 26 weeks pregnant, and I cannot imagine the pain and suffering they must be going through. To love a child and to lose him or her has to be the deepest pain imaginable. How sad for their family. They --and you--will be in my thoughts and prayers.

This isn't a political issue when it happens to someone you love, it becomes an issue of humanity and heart. Our friend here asked us for prayers, not judgment or statements that may be perceived as judgmental or disrespectful. I am really happy to see that most of the comments here have been so supportive.

Again, Lorrie, my deepest condolences...
 
Yes, the important thing is that two people have suffered emotionally (and physically) and my heart goes out to them. I've just said a little prayer for both the "victims" (for strength and understanding) and for the "protestors" (to gain a little understanding and compassion for others).

[Note: The title of this thread said it was a "sensitive issue" --- no lie! ;) ]
 
My reply - God endowed us with a free will to do what we feel is right when we reach a crossroads in life. It is not for us fellow human beings to judge. Who knows -- perhaps it was God's plan for these folks to make the wrenching choice to terminate their pregnancy. We don't know the mind of God and it is presumptuous and offensive to think we do.

If God makes no mistakes, then perhaps we should just let people die from cancer and other horrible diseases. After all, God planned it, right?
 
To think we cannot know ANYTHING of God's will is simply untrue. He gave us his word to know him. This site has info on that and more: http://www.abortionfacts.com/

It seems this thread has taken a turn of having to support the decision made. If not meant to do so from the get go. I believe you can think of something as wrong without being "judgemental".
I again do not support that kind of protesting if they are there to be cruel and hurtful to women in distress. I shared my post to make that point. If they were there to share info about a CPC or offer other options and encourage life then I would support it. It would be done from a caring heart for both mom and child. Pro-abortion people can also be guilty of being quite rude.

Abortion is a very serious issue not like a matter of choosing a job. It is an ethical/moral issue that hits lots of nerves and deeply held beliefs. I DO sympathize even if I would have done different. I hope she gets counseling on this.

Again, prayers for them and I hope they find healing after this. I'm sure it was heartwrenching.

since the terminally ill was brought up, here is a link on that site that covers the topic. http://www.abortionfacts.com/euthanasia/euthanasia.asp
 
Thank you Jess, I wish I could have said it all that well, then it may not have come to this.
 
>since the terminally ill was brought up, here is a link on
>that site that covers the topic.
>http://www.abortionfacts.com/euthanasia/euthanasia.asp
>
>
The comment was not about euthanasia, the comment was, assuming God makes no mistakes, if someone gets cancer or another horrible disease or even is in a car accident, shouldn't we withhold treatment (pills, surgery, blood transfusions, etc) because if God has a master plan for each of us and he does not make any mistakes, aren't we interfering with his wishes by giving treatment?

Abortion is a very serious issue and it is one of the hardest decisions a woman can make in her life, but there are reasons and those are very personal! These are discussed with the doctor, counselor, maybe family and friends.

However, no stranger has any business whatsoever to be outside the clinic and approaching them, no matter in what capacity. The couple or the woman who has made such an excruciating decision and probably struggled with it for days has EVERY right to chose her/their own counselors, loved ones, friends, family who they trust and not be bothered by some stranger off the street with their own agenda, who doesn't know anything about them and their situation, even if it "only" is sharing information or offer other options.

I have NEVER met anyone pro-abortion, most people are anti-abortion but understand that there are circumstances where it is the right and humane thing to do. I understand and respect that there are people who disagree with that view. I am not trying to convince anyone otherwise, that is not up to me and I certainly don't want to make this a pro-life/pro-choice discussion.

My point is just people who go through this (or any) difficult time in their life deserve their privacy and they deserve to be treated with respect.
 
>My point is just people who go through this (or any) difficult
>time in their life deserve their privacy and they deserve to
>be treated with respect.

Beautifully said. No one is "pro-abortion". What a ridiculous concept. Rather, reople are "pro-choice".

Allison

http://www.picturetrail.com/allisonj90
 
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