Ok,,I'm Confused About Dairy Now

morgs

morgs

Cathlete
After reading both the 'Eat Clean Diet', and reading 'Eat Right For Your Type' I'm left a tiny confused about dairy. Eat Clean Diet doesn't say avoid it all together, but, kind of tells you if you do eat any, it should be very little. On the flip side, my diet plan from the 'Eat Right For Your Type' book ( I'm a B positive ) tells me I can eat all the dairy I want, BUT to avoid ice cream at all costs. I take what that book says with a grain of salt because when i did shed all my weight, dairy was one of the foods that I ate very little of. I had yogurt once and a while if anything.
Recently , I read in a mag that since yogurt is full of carbs and sugars , they said it's equal to having a piece of dessert after supper. What the ????

I'll never give up my cottege cheese, cheddar cheese ,and ice dream once and a while, but just want to know what others think about dairy.
Good, bad, or eat in moderation ??
 
Personally, I eat all the dairy I want...unpasteurized if I can get it (there's another wrinkle for ya') and full fat.

If you don't have any lactose intolerance, I wouldn't worry about it.

ETA: With regards to yogurt, most of the fruit flavored Dannon-type stuff is definitely loaded with ADDED sugar. Stick to plain and you'll be fine.
 
You know I cant help but to think the same thing. I love dairy but I also read Eat Clean Diet book and got the same indication about cheese. I know that there are alot of different diets out there that promote low fat cheese and fatfree yogurt and eggs. I eat all three almost everyday. Not all day but everyday. I like to make my oatmeal with fatfree milk, I also eat string cheese and greek yogurt as snacks and sometimes I'll have a hard boiled egg with my cereal. So I would love to know what ohters think...
 
I don't do a lot of dairy. I found that it made losing weight harder. Also, I discovered that I am not lactose intolerant, rather I have a true dairy allergy, it gives me dark circles under my eyes. I switched to coconut milk. I use some dairy in cooking for other family members and I do have a sweet tooth so I know its in chocolate, but I don't just eat it as a regular part of my diet.

I wonder if I should give up butter? I don't have the saturated fat phobia because I am on a low carb high fat diet, but I wonder if the milk solids cause my allergy to act up.
 
here is what I think:

curd cheese such as cottage, which are not older cheese like cheddar and others is ok. Because it's easy to digest comparing to the old cheese which are harder to digest.
Natural yogurt and milk (organic, at the most natural state possible) are also ok

when it comes to other thing... I would consider it as junk.

that's me... even low fat cheddar.... it's junk. not natural food... it's older and it's hard on the stomach. eating lighter and easy to digest food is the key. again... for me (based on Ayurveda theories)
 
After my daughter was born, two years ago, I found out she had a dairy sensitivity and was told that if I wanted to continue to nurse (which I did) I would need to eliminate dairy from my diet. I did and managed to lose the 40 pounds I had put on with the pregnancy plus an additional 10 that I had been trying to lose pre-pregnancy. Once I quit nursing and went back to eating dairy again, I put the 10 pounds back on.

Recently, in an attempt to shed some pounds, I have decided to eliminate dairy from my diet again and I have lost 8 of those 10 pounds. I don't know if, for me, it is actually the elimination of dairy that helps me to lose weight or because what I eat changes (i.e. pizza, etc) that is causing me to lose weight, or if it is a combination of the two, but it works for me.

Maria
 
dairy & milk

cottagecheeks said:
Jack LaLanne says we don't need milk.
We are not baby cows.
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Oh My God it's funny you say that !! A friend of mine said almost the same thing as you. He brought it up in a way that made total sense but related it to cows too. He said when a calf is a baby, it needs it's mother's milk as it's delevoping and growing, but after that , it's weened off the milk and goes on the normal foods.
He told me, relate that to human babies too. Previous poster was right also about consuming the dairy that's easier to digest. I think all in all moderation is the key. ( my excuse for having my ice cream once and a while ) ;)

Morgs
 
I don't frown on people who do drink milk, but personally, from our experience, I won't buy dairy. I do not drink milk or eat cheese because it does horrible things to my tummy. Since I have completely eliminated dairy, I haven't had a single issue with IBS. Not one. My son doesn't drink milk because it does the same for him. My husband stopped drinking milk and all of his stomach problems went away, including nausea and heartburn - and I was buying the mega-expensive natural, organic milk. We all now drink either Rice Milk, Almond Milk or no milk.

cottagecheeks said:
Jack LaLanne says we don't need milk.
We are not baby cows.
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LOL!!! I am totally cracking up!!! but it's so true... I am sitting here trying to think of one other mammal, besides humans, that drinks milk once they have become adults. I can't think of a single one. Does anyone know of one?

Melissa
 
For me there are alot of positives that come with eliminating dairy.....like only positives, really. big. positives.

I am totally addicted to the stuff so I allow a slip up when I want some comfort food.
 
pink_fortitude said:
I don't frown on people who do drink milk, but personally, from our experience, I won't buy dairy. I do not drink milk or eat cheese because it does horrible things to my tummy. Since I have completely eliminated dairy, I haven't had a single issue with IBS. Not one. My son doesn't drink milk because it does the same for him. My husband stopped drinking milk and all of his stomach problems went away, including nausea and heartburn - and I was buying the mega-expensive natural, organic milk. We all now drink either Rice Milk, Almond Milk or no milk.


Melissa
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I've cut out dairy for a week now (with the exception of coffee in my creamer), and same thing! Less problems with the tummy, if any at all! The only thing I wonder is.....where to get the calcium content that you get in milk?? Like a friend was saying the other night, that's a lot of spinach and kale! :eek: I have not tried Rice or Almond Milk, so not sure of the nutrient contents, but will have to look at that!
 
Pinny150 said:
I've cut out dairy for a week now (with the exception of coffee in my creamer), and same thing! Less problems with the tummy, if any at all! The only thing I wonder is.....where to get the calcium content that you get in milk?? Like a friend was saying the other night, that's a lot of spinach and kale! :eek: I have not tried Rice or Almond Milk, so not sure of the nutrient contents, but will have to look at that!
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Dr. Joel Fuhrman discusses this topic in his book "Eat to Live" and explains that our concern is not in how much calcium we consume, but in how much we absorb vs excrete. There are many dietary factors that induce calcium loss in the urine:

animal protein
salt
caffeine
refined sugar
alcohol
nicotine
aluminum-containing antacids
drugs such as antibiotics, steroids, thyroid hormone
vitamin A supplements

"All unprocessed natural foods are calcium-rich; even a whole orange (not orange juice) has about 60mg of calcium." p. 90 Eat to Live

I know that I feel my best when I limit my dairy consumption. My skin is much clearer and I am less bloated. I have stopped buying cow's milk as I have found that dairy causes my oldest daughter to be congested all the time. I bought some ice cream over the holiday as a treat and all yesterday she was sniffling and stuffed up.
 
coradora said:
Dr. Joel Fuhrman discusses this topic in his book "Eat to Live" and explains that our concern is not in how much calcium we consume, but in how much we absorb vs excrete. There are many dietary factors that induce calcium loss in the urine:

animal protein
salt
caffeine
refined sugar
alcohol
nicotine
aluminum-containing antacids
drugs such as antibiotics, steroids, thyroid hormone
vitamin A supplements

"All unprocessed natural foods are calcium-rich; even a whole orange (not orange juice) has about 60mg of calcium." p. 90 Eat to Live

I know that I feel my best when I limit my dairy consumption. My skin is much clearer and I am less bloated. I have stopped buying cow's milk as I have found that dairy causes my oldest daughter to be congested all the time. I bought some ice cream over the holiday as a treat and all yesterday she was sniffling and stuffed up.
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YES YES YES! SO TRUE about balancing what is in your body!

My neighbor says the same thing about her daughter, Coradora, and one of my daughter's friends says that when she "doesn't drink milk I don't feel foggy."

I did some research a couple of years ago, when I was concerned about my calcium intake, and found that the cultures where the least amount of animal protein had the lowest instances of bone density problems and related fractures, and the countries that consumed the most dairy actually had the highest! I cannot remember for the life of me where I read it, maybe The China Study? But then I started researching where to find calcium and found out that Calcium isn't even the "one" mineral that our bones need, we need dozens of minerals for healthy bones and each and every single one of those minerals is found in a variety of vegetables (but mostly green), peanuts, almonds, sesame seeds, beans, etc. Salmon even has some calcium in it. Plus, if you do any kind of weight bearing exercises you are already protecting your bones.

The more I have researched the entire dairy topic, the more I feel like we have been brainwashed into believing a "Calcium from milk for strong bones" marketing scheme.

Some people are absolutely fine on dairy, but I want to emphasize: No body is the same, and if your body is telling you that something isn't working, no matter what it is, then it's not right for you so give it up. I keep hearing how good Chia seeds are for you but whenever I try I am doubling over in pain so I don't do it. We are pretty much made up of the same thing, but everyone has different chemistry so we need to pay close attention to how our bodies respond to what we do. :)

Melissa :D
 
pink_fortitude said:
Some people are absolutely fine on dairy, but I want to emphasize: No body is the same, and if your body is telling you that something isn't working, no matter what it is, then it's not right for you so give it up.
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ITA!

One thing I'll throw into the discussion, RAW dairy is a VERY different from your pasteurized/homogenized stuff. There are a fair number of anecdotal stories on the Interwebs of people who've had trouble with pasteurized stuff, not having the same issues (no issues) with raw dairy.
 
"I keep hearing how good Chia seeds are for you but whenever I try I am doubling over in pain so I don't do it. We are pretty much made up of the same thing, but everyone has different chemistry so we need to pay close attention to how our bodies respond to what we do. :)"



LOL - I love Chia seeds! I make the chia gel as recommended by (I think) Katherine and use it in my oatmeal and smoothies. However, as much as I want to eat it, I cannot consume cooked quinoa! I developed some sort of intolerance and the pain is not worth it at all. The strange thing is, I can eat quinoa raw. I soak the seeds and put them in some of my energy bars with no problem at all. Like you say - we need to pay close attention to what our body is telling us. I think we are so used to assuming that some illness is causing problems that we don't listen to the wisdom of our own body.
 
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