New and obviously clueless!

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Cathlete
How did I not know about Cathe? I received the new Collage Video catalog and noticed the Gym Style Workout. I then started doing some research on Cathe and was stunned to find all the raves about her. How have I missed her? I feel like I’ve been living under a rock! I’ve been doing mainly The Firm & Fit Prime with a little Janis Saffell and recently David Kirsch thrown in. I’ve been working out for years and years and I’m pretty toned all over except for my butt, which I can’t seem to firm up. I even joined a health club this month and hired a trainer in hopes she could help firm up my behind.

Also, I recently went to a “nutritionist” and he felt I needed to cut back on my workouts. I was doing at least a full-body workout every day and sometimes two with an extra butt workout thrown in for good measure. I don’t do a lot of extra cardio – maybe 30 minutes two or three times a week on the Stairmaster. He told me to cut back my workouts to one hour a day, and no more than five days a week. He said for me not to do any extra cardio and only three weight workouts. I’m 5’9” and weigh 127, he used the RJL Fluid & Nutrition Analysis and said my body fat was 20.1 % but I was very low on muscle mass and he felt like I was living in a catabolic state. I eat mainly protein bars and shakes during the day and usually a large dinner, healthy but very large quantities typically Salmon, veggies, maybe a starch and often-another protein bar after dinner. (Detour bars seem like desert to me) I thought I was eating fairly well – obviously I’m clueless. Now I’m supposed to eat five or six meals a day. I’m afraid of gaining weight / fat and loosing the muscle I have. I’m definitely in the mind-set that if a little exercise is good, more is better.

I’m feeling very unsure about how much to eat and how to workout. I’ve ordered Gym Style Legs and Stretch Max, but after reading all these posts I think I should have ordered others. Help! I would really appreciate some input. Thank you.
 
JK,

Didn't your trainer set up an exercise regimen for you? As far as eating 5 or 6 meals a day, the idea is to keep the calories and protein/carb/fat ratio within the proper limits. If you do that, you shouldn't have a problem gaining weight. Did the nutritionist give you guidance in that department?

A full body weight workout isn't recommended every day due to the probability of overtraining the muscles which could lead to injury. Also, muscle gains occur when the body is recovering. Cathe recommends at least 48 hours recovery between weight workouts which would equal approx 3 weight workouts a week if you do full body weight training. Or if legs and glutes are your areas of concern you could do two full body workouts and one workout comprised solely of lower body work. Or, you could work one muscle group a day. There are several ways to juggle weight work. Then it's always recommended to change up after a few weeks to create muscle confusion thereby restimulating muscle growth.

I felt as clueless as you did when I started coming to this website. There is so much to learn. You will get excellent advice from the people on this forum.

Welcome :)
 
Did your nutritionist say anything about those protein bars and shakes? Most of them don't have very natural ingredients in them. And I think you may be overestimating the amount of protein you need. What builds muscle is SUFFICIENT protein and, most importantly, hard work and RECOVERY.

If your dinner is "very large," that is a problem as well. You need to give fuel to your body when it can be used, and eating more than around 500 calories at a time makes it easier for the body to store the unneeded calories as fat.

When you eat 5 or 6 meals a day (three "meals" and two healthy "snacks"--doesn't sound so bad now, does it?;-) ) you don't eat the same quantity per meal as you would if you ate fewer meals. You just divide up your daily calorie intake into smaller parts, so your body receives the fuel it needs in quanities it can assimilate. If you ate the regular three-meals-a-day (which you don't seem to because of the protein shakes and bars), I'd just recommend eating 2/3 or your regular breakfast right away, then eating the rest 2 or 3 hours later. Same with lunch and dinner.

It's also good, IMO, to eat more calories in the morning (when your body can use the fuel) than at night. The old saying "eat breakfast like a king, lunch like a ?prince? and dinner like a pauper" is somewhat right.
 
you might have ordered the gym style upper body workouts too.. but use them with the rest days between! or maybe her pyramid upper body workoug...

check the rotations forum to get some ideas of how to break up your workouts. you'll get some ideas about doing legs one day.. perhaps all upper body the next.. or maybe (as with gym style) shoulders, back and chest one day then chest and tris the next.. then if you want.. move back to legs.. or do aerobics...

i have had weeks where i've done so called full body every day.. but those have been circuit style where you use light weights (i.e. bootcamp, gauntlet, circuit max) but i don't do that on a continuing basis

the 6 meals, like mentioned.. is to keep your blood sugar level... i eat that way... 6 times.. 3 "meals" and 3 "snacks".. i plan them out to make sure i don't eat too many calories cuz it is possible to overdo it eating that often! i also eat my last snack between 8 and 9 at night.. i don't buy into the don't eat after such and such a time.... IMO it's all about calories in = calories out or burned.. if i eat 1800 calories and i burn 1800 to 2000 calories.. it doesn't matter what time i at the calories..

i wouldn't consider protein bars and shakes to be eating "good".. of course.. i don't know which ones specifically and don't know the ingredients.. so i may be wrong.. i'm into healthy, clean eating... whole foods. i do eat clif bars when i'm riding my bike for convenience.. but otherwise i wouldn't dream of eating them just for a regular snack...

oh... as far as frequency of workouts.. i workout every work day and occasionally on weekends.. depending on the weather.. i ride my bike looong distances on the weekends (don't workout if i ride my bike).. i also get to ride my bike after work now that it's getting nicer! i'm sure your nutritionist would say that's too much! lol! however i eat extra calories (especially on weekends when i burn 1000 or more extra calories riding!) sooooo if you LIKE to workout... just keep in mind that you will have to eat more to sustain the extra exercise!


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cute work out clothes are good for AT LEAST an additional 10-15 calories burned!
 
How did I not know about Cathe?

I had to laugh because I only found out about Cathe through Collage Video a few weeks ago and like you, I've been working out for years. Crazy, isn't it?!? Although I'm 5'9" also, I don't weigh anywhere near 127!!

You'll get great information from these forums and then you will be clueless no more!

Angie
 
I've only been to the trainer twice. We did upper body last Friday and legs today. No, she hasn't set up a regimen. She said she wanted to get a feel for what I could do. I really prefer to workout at home. I just felt that if I did something different I might get better results.

As far as the nutritionist, he isn't your typical nutritionist he deals more with medical problems. He's working with me on some digestion issues. He often works in conjunction with other nutritionists, who would guide their client in the food department.
 
Kathryn, Thank you for your response. I typically eat Greens+, Detour or Tri-O-Plex bars. I was trying to eat more protein - hoping to build muscle, but, eat them often for convenience and because I really like them. He wanted me to try the Protein Fusion bars by Metagenics (I have and they’re pretty good). He also put me on a different protein powder.

I've never been much of a breakfast eater but I'm trying to become one. I've always felt that when I eat breakfast I don't ever stop, I just graze all day. I really know what I should be doing; it's just hard for me to implement it. Also, when I focus on food I tend to become food obsessed.
 
Desertbriez,

Do you like the gym style or pyramid best? When you do circuit style with lightweights, what size weights do you use?

Apparently I don’t buy into the “don’t eat after such and such time either”. I’m usually eating dinner at 8:00 or 9:00.

And yes, the nutritionist would probably say your riding is too much too. I’ve always thought of working out as my Prozac. (It keeps me sane and I'm really bitchy without it.)




Finsgirl,
I’ve noticed quite a few newbie’s on the board. I’m glad to join you.
 
I feel the same away about working out being my Prozac! I get crabby if the kids interrupt me during a workout or if the phone rings or if one of the dogs gets in my way. It's that way if I'm overtired and/or hungry, too.

Angie
 
Welcome to the fold, JK and Angie! I discovered Cathe thorough Collage too and little did I know that the discovery would change would change my life for the better. Get busy. You've got some catching up to do and you are going to love it! She is extraordinary!
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-Ann Landers
 
hmmmmm tough question... i LOVE pyramid upper body... i really like that it is all 5 upper body parts in one workout! i don't care for 2 day splits (unless i'm doing cathe's CTX where i do a cardio and 2 body parts.. but let's not confuse the issue! lol!)

that said.. i absolutely love the actual gym stule workouts (all three of them) but i have made it a point to do the 2 upper body ones on ONE day when i have the time to devote to it (that way i get to do all five parts!) that's hard to do since it takes about 2 hours!

soooo that said.. in my opinion.. if you like 2 day splits (or more cuz you can divide them up) then i would chose the gym styles.. they are fun and effective! (i actually get DOMS from them whereas i don't from PUB anymore!) if time and splits were not an issue.. i would defitely choose gym styles over PUB

for circuits i pretty much use 8 pound weights (i.e. bootcamp, the gauntlet, body fusion, circuit max) since they usually have faster paced movements.


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cute work out clothes are good for AT LEAST an additional 10-15 calories burned!
 
Desertbriez,
I received my Gym Style Legs while ago and was scanning through it (looks great). Do I need to buy the high step? I think I have an old long step with the risers in the attic. Assuming it has the same size risers - I could by the topper and an additional riser??? I have the Firm’s old wood step but I don’t think it will work since she wraps the band around the bottom of the step and there is nothing to hold it. Can you think of any other equipment I may need if I’m going to purchase additional videos? I’m disappointed; I thought I was ready to go.

I think I would like the pyramid and the other gym style workouts. Thanks for the video advice. I really appreciate your help.
 
JK,

Can you not wrap the band around the bottom of the Firm box? Unless it just won't go...

Welcome to the next level!

Connie
 
Connie, I'll try it with the box I have but it doesn't seem like it would work because it doesn't have a solid base. It's really four legs and a top. But like I said, I'm willing to try. Thanks.
 
Just make sure you release the band fist, then take your body weight off of it. (LOL- one mistake will learn ya). Cathe even reminds us to do that when using the high step.
 
OH! i have an idea!

a piece of board/plywood that is just big enough for the stool to sit on.. put the band UNDER the wood! that will hold it down (but be sure to lower your hands first like suggested or you won't just "flip your top" but the whole stool!!


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cute work out clothes are good for AT LEAST an additional 10-15 calories burned!
 
I don't think you are clueless if you have managed to keep such a nice weight in check and your body fat so low.Whatever you are doing is obviously working.
Lori:)
 
I was thinking the same thing with a piece of wood/plywood, but I think I would also maybe put a yoga mat or towel or something soft under/around the wood where the band will make contact as the wood could possibly tear the band. Just an idea. WELCOME JK and Angie! Nice to have you join us!

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Is it The Firm Tall Box? Mine is in my son's rom as a bedside table but I looked it over and it you placed it off center so a corner faced you, you could put the band securely under two legs, perhaps with a small towel to protect the band. You'd be stepping up at a corner but if you paid clsoe attention to placing your foot square in the center, it might just work.

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Maturity is the ability to do a job whether or not you are supervised, to carry money without spending it, and to bear an injustice without wanting to get even.

-Ann Landers
 

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