Need help with trip to London

tsagona

Cathlete
DH and I want to go to London in July 2010. Just 3 months away. We haven't traveled a whole lot and really don't know where to begin planning this trip. My son, who has traveled quite a lot, suggested we plan this first trip to join a group so we don't have to figure out the subway system and it would make the trip more enjoyable since we don't have to plan where to stay, to eat, to visit because the plans are made for you. Also if you want to take side trips or do something on your own, you can do that as well.

I've never done the group thing. I've also never been to Europe. I want to have a good time. I want to feel like I saw everything I wanted to see.

Has anyone traveled in a group like this before? I don't know how to get in a group thing. Has anyone been to England and did you just plan your own trip? I did plan our trip to Aruba a few years ago and we had a fabulous time. But that is a small island. This is a large country with rails, subways, busses and the like. Just getting around might be a challenge to figure out.

Help! Does anyone have anything to offer a first time England traveler.

Thanks,
 
Hi Tracy,

I am not a fan of group tour travel. I did do one when I went to Egypt, but I wouldn't do one in any European countries (with exception of a very specific day trip).

Most European cities have much, much better public transport than we do in the US. I haven't been to London, but a couple of years ago my mom and I visited Paris and it took no time at all to figure out the Metro...it's way cool. Our home base was a hotel in a good location (near some nice sites and a Metro stop) and it was really easy to get around to stuff not in walking distance. The only guided thing we did was go on a day tour to Normandy. We had a driver who took us to all of the D-day beaches.

If you and DH are planning to just stay in London and see the sites there, I think you'll find it's easier than you think to do things on your own.

Check out the forums over at frommers.com and also Rick Steves, http://www.ricksteves.com/. You can get good ideas about itineraries, where to stay, etc.

Also, get a London travel guide (library or book store). It'll help you get an idea about getting around, etc.

Planning trips is so much fun! :)

ETA: It's funny, the reasons that your son mentions for using a group tour are exactly the reasons I wouldn't use one. Half the fun of visiting a new place is seeking out gems like cool restaurants and exploring on your own. On the tour I was on, DH and I felt kinda like sheeple.
 
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I agree with Gayle. Don't do the group tour thing. I would instead take the time now to plan out a notional itinerary. I suggest looking at Rick Steves' site for packing tips (I'm a fan of carry-on only luggage and do laundry every 4 days or so).

Go to tripadvisor.com and go to the London forum. They have lots of tips and suggested itineraries.

You'll have a great time in London.
Lorrayne
 
Gayle & Lorrayne - thanks for all that information. I did visit ricksteves.com and it truly has a wealth of info. I don't think I'll have a problem learning about what to do and planning the itineray. I'm going to have to learn about transportation, where things are in relation to where I'm staying and distance between them. Also, do they accept US dollars there? If no, I'm going to have to research that aspect as well. It will be fun to do the planning. I've done that before. But like I said, it was small scale comparitively.

But thank you very much for the leads on how to accomplish it.
 
London is so easy to navigate. Really, don't worry about that. The Tube is dead easy. No worries at all. You can get a pass and your transportation is done.

When we visit London we normally do a historical site in the morning (stuff like the Tower, British Museum), shopping in the afternoon (Liberty, Fortnum and Mason, Harrods, a market, etc.) then a play in the evening. There is usually too much to do and see for a week.

Personally, I wouldn't bother with a group tour of London, either. You should, however, check out the walking tours. Those are great. We did this group, the haunted London tour: http://www.london-walking-tours.co.uk/index.htm
but a lot of the other ones they offer look excellent, too. You could do one of those for exercise/entertainment every day!
 
London is so easy to navigate. Really, don't worry about that. The Tube is dead easy. No worries at all. You can get a pass and your transportation is done.

When we visit London we normally do a historical site in the morning (stuff like the Tower, British Museum), shopping in the afternoon (Liberty, Fortnum and Mason, Harrods, a market, etc.) then a play in the evening. There is usually too much to do and see for a week.

Personally, I wouldn't bother with a group tour of London, either. You should, however, check out the walking tours. Those are great. We did this group, the haunted London tour: http://www.london-walking-tours.co.uk/index.htm
but a lot of the other ones they offer look excellent, too. You could do one of those for exercise/entertainment every day!
Tracy,

No, they don't accept US dollars. I suggest you use your credit card and ATM for your transactions. Be sure that your ATM has a 4 digit PIN vice 5 as many ATMs don't accept 5 digit PINs. Contact your credit card company and ATM company and provide them with your dates of travel. This will help ensure that they don't block your transactions when you're in London.

Please note that many credit card companies incur anywhere from a 2% to 4% foreign transaction fee for each time you charge your credit card. Visa is usually 2% (as in AmEx) and Master Card is 3%-4%. But, again, check with the bank who owns your credit card for specifics. Capitol One doesn't charge any foreign transaction fees.

Both Credit Card and ATM pound withdrawals offer you the best exchange rates. Don't get pounds in your local bank or at the airport. If you do use the airport in London, use the ATM and not one of those currency exchange booths.

Most of the boutique hotels have e-mail. Contact them and ask the questions you have; how far are they from the attractions? from public transportation, etc.

Happy planning!
Lorrayne
 
I did two group tours when I was stationed in Germany. I went to Italy and France. I really enjoyed the group tours. My reason for enjoying the tours and encouraging them is that everything is mapped out for you. Since this is your first time to London, you will probably want to do the touristy things. Being on a group tour will allow you to do that. Maybe find one that gives plenty of "self time" as well so you can explore things that might not be on the tour.

Another option is to go to London not with a group but to do group tours while there. Maybe do a double-decker bus tour. This will allow you to see things you might want to further explore later. Good luck in whatever you choose. I really liked London. There is so much to do and see!

Carrie
 
I have taken a couple of group family tours with Tauck. This was great because the kids met other kids their age and we were able to get into the Vatican in Rome and the Academia in Florence to see the David. We also had naturalist guides at Yellowstone and in Glacier National Park. For London, a tour is completely unnecessary. The public transportation is phenomenal and really quick. You will be able to do everything using the Tube. We even took it to Wimbledon! Tours are more expensive and it can sometimes feel like a "forced march", which is the last thing you want on a vacation. Do not miss the British Museum. It is fabulous and FREE!!!

Nancy
 
My sister and I travelled to Germany and France about 100 years ago - at least it seems that long ago (actually more like 15 years ago). We had a super fun time navigating through the cities, buroughs and getting hopelessly lost!! She spoke some French and I spoke some German. The Germans were much more accomodating. We did our best to find where we were going and sometimes got to the desired places- which we happen to find on the day the attractions were closed.

However, getting lost and the photos from those less-known places were sooo much more memorable than the "usual" places people go to. We went to places where the locals ate, drank and shopped and enjoyed it more than going to places where the tourists to go.

Don't be afraid about getting "lost"... In fact, embrace getting lost!! you will probably find that you experience things that not everybody else does. You will have stories that other "tourists" can't duplicate. You will take home photos that are not your typical post-card shots and meet people who live there for real.

Not only did we meet facinating people and see really cool places, we tried awesome food, took photos with not-so-famous people but uber-facinating locals, we each lost about seven pounds from all the walking and sight-seeing we did from constantly getting lost!!

We still reflect upon the silly dog named Caran in a tiny corner pub in France, the friendly and not so folk we encountered there. The time the old German man on the bus yelled at me because I didn't know I was sitting in a handi-cap seat, etc.....

Go and create your own memories and be sure to share them with all of us!!

Bon Voyage!
Pam
 
London is my home town. The transport system is phenomenal and puts the US' notion of public transport to shame. The London Underground is so easy to use, a caveman could do it! Really. It is also way better and easier to use than the Paris Metro where all the different rail lines are represented by a thin green line on the map and you cannot decipher one thin green line from another. The London Underground will take you anywhere you want to go and I much prefer it to buses. Each Underground station can be easily seen from the street by the icon used to represent it. Each station features multiple maps on the walls in the are of ticket sales, in addition to multiple maps on each train platform so you can easily verify you are on the right platform (east bound rather than west bound on the same line). Each line is represented by a DIFFERENT COLOUR and every station is marked on it.

All you need to navigate London is an Underground map, a London A-Z map book, available at any W.H.Smiths newsagents and most kiosks in London selling sweets, newspapers, etc., and a Time Out Guide to what's on in London each particular week.

London is also people-walker friendly. There are very few places where I would not feel comfortable walking alone late at night in London and tourists are likely to stay with the centre attractions anyway, where it is perfectly safe to walk about with your A-Z in hand. In this map book, EVERY SINGLE LONDON ROAD IS MARKED, EVERY STATION, EVERY UNDERGROUND, you cannot get lost.

Almost every street abounds with multiple restaurants, pizzerias, Indian restaurants which are fabulous in the UK, etc, etc. Don't forget to try pubs and pub food, especially at lunch. You don't need to ever "plan" where you will eat. You'll be stumbling across places to eat and spoiled for choice.

My daughter needs to use my computer so I shall have to go and come back and write more later.

Short answer: I would forgo the group tour. It will only take you on the most basic of over-priced tourist attractions, swarming with other tourists and will leave you yearning to break free, go off on your own and indulge your own desire to get to know this major capital city, theatre capital of the world, on your own time and according to your own interests and agenda.

Back later,

Clare
 
Clare,

I love you :D . I get excited about this trip just reading your post. Pam, Nancy and Carrie - thank yall so much. I just love your advice and your details.

I'm definitely not going to do the group thing. I'm pretty sure I can have an outstanding time doing my own thing - and that may include a little getting lost like Pam said. I usually get a little up tight when I'm in unfamiliar territory but I'm learning here that it can be a good thing -

I'm going to dig deep into the resources to help me get a nice itinerary of things to do and plays to attend and experiences to have. I can't wait to go and I can't wait to come back and tell yall about what a wonderful time I had. Yay me. I'm going to London!!

xo everyone!
 
Tracy:

first off, tell me how many days/weeks you have for your London trip. if we know how long you have to play with, I can make some suggestions for essential places to visit, and which side tours you could make that are within easy access of London and make essential day trips or overnighters from London.

The thing to remember is that London is THE HUB for transportation in the whole of the UK, everything radiates out from there. So, you can take trips to other major cities and to the coast just by taking a train from one of the major train stations in London (Charring Cross for the South, St. Pancras and King's Cross for the North, etc.)

I asked my husband tonight which places in central London he would recommend to a tourist/visitor from the US and this is what we came up with.

Big Ben and the Houses of Parliament along the Embankment (the two sides of the Thames are called the Embankment), North side. On the other side of the Thames, along the South Bank you have the new London Eye which is an absolute must because from up there you will get pone of the best views over London, stretching along the river in both directions. The South bank is also the site of the major theatre/concert hall complex called The South Bank, featuring the Royal Festival Hall, for classical music, and the National Theatre where major productions start their life before heading to Broadway. If you take a look online at what is playing at the Old Vic, you may get the chance to see Kevin Spacey act, for which you could count yourself eternally lucky. Spacey has invested heavily in the Old Vic, close to Waterloo Station on the South of the Thames, and he helps put on major productions of Tenessee Williams and major playwrights, European and American. Check it out and book in advance!

You will want to do a walking tour from the South bank across the river, head up to Trafalgar Square from Charring Cross Station, perhaps go to The National Gallery (contains Impressionist works, including huge Monet lilies canvas, and stacks of other stuff from all major periods of art) at T Square, and the National Portrait gallery, opened by Prince Charles some years ago. From Trafalgar you can walk on through to Picadilly Circus and take in the crowds, the bustling night scene, the famous statue of Eros, some major department stores, then walk back up through and past the Trocadero, amusement centre, through to Covent Garden. Covent Garden is a great place to just hang out and soak up some atmosphere, both by day and by night. CLustered here are loads of restaurants, many with outdoor seating, European cafe style, and by day, there is a market, some very nice stores with fabulous clothes and shoes offerings that will make you drool, and also mime artists, street performers, etc. You can walk from here to Leicester Square which offers the biggest cinema complexes in Central London. When a new film hits the UK, it goes here first.

If you are into history, if you want a concept of The United Kingdom beyond the 21st century, please head further east on the Tube (our friendly name for the London Underground) and go see the Tower of London, where major monarchs and political figures over the centuries were imprisoned and beheaded. Charming! But this is history and you can just imagine the crows flying overhead and swooping down to peck at the heads stuck out on spikes as a warning to political opponents of Elizabeth I. I took my kids to the Tower a couple of years back, and I loved it! So did they. Very close by, just outside the nearest Tube station are the remains of an original Roman wall.........

I would also recommend heading West, outside of Central London, to see Hampton Court, home of King Henry VIII. I believe there is a maze there also, and I again took my kids there when we last visited home. It is along the river.

Speaking of the river, west of London, Teddington and Richmond areas, it is all very posh and many rich folks have houses that abut the river Thames itself. Beautiful in Spring and Summer. You can get access to the river and maybe do some boating, punting, but one of the nice things is to take a train out there on a sunny day, and find a great riverside pub and have lunch. Try a ploughmans!

I cannot remember where it is, somewhere along the West end of the Thames I think, but you should go see the Cutty Sark, an original and well preserved 16th Century shipping vessel, the likes of which helped sink the Spanish Armada! If you take the Tube out to the East of London, you will reach Greenwich, the site of Greenwich Mean Time, and there are important observatories and maritime buildings/museums there, in addition to a huge and really nice park to wander around in with a picnic lunch. I used to go there with an old boyfriend of mine back when I was 16! Sigh......

In North London, which I do not know so well, you could go to Highgate Cemetery, where some important historical figures are buried, Karl Marx, and I believe, Oscar Wilde. Highgate Cemetery is featured as the central location in Audrey Niffeneger's new novel, released this year. She's the author who wrote The Time Traveller's Wife.

You could go along to Kensington, by the Circus and District line on the Tube, see I even remember which Tube line it is on!, and see some of the major department stores a lot of people come expressly to London to shop at and to say "I've been there!" Have you ever watched Absolutely Fabulous? Patsy is always talking about going to do a spot of shopping and having lunch at Harvey Nicks? Well, you could do the same at have lunch at Harvey Nichols, or the famous Harrods......

There is a famous waxworks museum called Madame Tussauds and a Planetarium in Baker Street, home of Sherlock Holmes. A lot of people like this kind of thing, I personally don't, but it's an option.

As far as day trips are concerned, take a train from King's Cross and go to Cambridge for the day. I did my undergrad degree there, as did my husband, and it is historically and architecturally simply wonderful. We went to Christ's College, right in the centre, so pop your head in and walk through first court and all the way back to third court. Maybe, if it's open, go see the Master's garden. The colleges at Cambridge date from 15th century, if not earlier. You can also walk along the riverbank, find a pub for lunch, see some students rowing, Cambridge is famous for it. If you head along past Trinity college, past Clare's college, along to King's and walk through it, you will come upon the Backs. The Backs is where the river flows along and through the back of the previously mentioned colleges. You can rent a punt and go punting for an hour or two, with a picnic on a fine day......

You cold take a quick taxi ride along from Cambridge to Grantchester, or do it as a lovely riverside walk, and visit the home of Rupert Brooke, famous poet killed in the First World War. There are tea rooms in Grantchester and it's all very pretty and civilized!

Sounds like you should probably overnight in Cambridge, just to see it all.

You can take a train to Oxford, heading out of the West of London. I don't know Oxford very well, them being rivals and all! But again, fabulous college city, larger than Cambridge and not quite so easily covered and navigated, but historically and architecturally important. It is where all the Colin Dexter Inspector Morse stories and TV programmes are situated. Check this out!

Well, that's enough for now. I have to head to bed. I'll check back with you tomorrow, see if you have any questions!

Clare
 
Tracy,

No, they don't accept US dollars. I suggest you use your credit card and ATM for your transactions. Be sure that your ATM has a 4 digit PIN vice 5 as many ATMs don't accept 5 digit PINs. Contact your credit card company and ATM company and provide them with your dates of travel. This will help ensure that they don't block your transactions when you're in London.

Please note that many credit card companies incur anywhere from a 2% to 4% foreign transaction fee for each time you charge your credit card. Visa is usually 2% (as in AmEx) and Master Card is 3%-4%. But, again, check with the bank who owns your credit card for specifics. Capitol One doesn't charge any foreign transaction fees.

Both Credit Card and ATM pound withdrawals offer you the best exchange rates. Don't get pounds in your local bank or at the airport. If you do use the airport in London, use the ATM and not one of those currency exchange booths.

Most of the boutique hotels have e-mail. Contact them and ask the questions you have; how far are they from the attractions? from public transportation, etc.

Happy planning!
Lorrayne


Ditto to this! I use my credit card (which has no foreign transaction fee) as much as possible when traveling in another country. I do exchange a small amount of cash to have on hand, but charge as much as possible. Do call your CC company ahead of time to let them know you'll be using your card abroad. Some companies may put a fraud flag on your card if they see it being used in another country, thinking your number has been stolen. Notifying them is a pretty standard procedure for them.

Another great resource for scoping out hotels is http://www.tripadvisor.com/. I use this site a LOT for travel planning.
 
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Tour groups are fine for certain places where they don't speak English, but you don't need a group to visit London. Everyone speaks English (amazing!) ;).

Your first day in London, take a bus tour. Get on a double decker tour bus that takes you all over the city. The tour guide points out all the major sites. That will give you an overview so you'll have a sense of how the city is laid out and what is where.
 
Tracy,

You've had loads of great help here already. Just to add it's worth taking a stroll along the Embankment to Tate Modern http://www.tate.org.uk/modern/, if you're interested in galleries. It's a conversion of an old power plant (huge Turbine room inside which always has something interesting), lots of modern art It's in an area called Bankside which is great for strolling along the Thames, you'll also find the refurbished Globe further along (Shakespeare's theatre). There's loads of great places to eat along there as well.

You can also check out Borough Market, on the same side of the river, food stalls to make your mouth water. You can put together a picnic from there and then go and sit on the South Bank and eat it. It's also another good area for eating out. Definitely check out tripadvisor before you go as there's loads of good, up-to-date info on there.

When you do start planning, you'll find lots of references to north and south. The Thames goes right through the middle of the city and we tend to talk about north of the river and south of the river. It's a good point to locate yourself with.

One more thing, if you do decide to go on the London Eye (definitely worth it) book in advance, to save yourself queuing on the day. http://www.londoneye.com/

Anything else you want to know, just ask! I live in Oxford, by the way :D
 
My gosh! I think all I need to do now is get a plane ticket. The rest is done, lol. I will have to print this and study it a bit while I try to get familiar with London to make the plans. Also will have to take a copy with me. I sent a copy to my son who is going to London in May so he can add some of these things to his itinerary. Clare, he said you could write travel brochures, lol.

I can't tell yall how great it is to have friends here who share their knowledge on every subject. Thank yall so much.

After I have the chance to go over all these posts with a map, I may have to come back and ask questions.

One thing I can ask now, my DH want to go to a castle. I was looking and it seems England is covered up with castles. I was looking as one that was nearly 2 hours away by train but it looked awesome. It was Warwick Castle. Any opinions on that? Or some other castle?

Thanks,
 
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Tracy:

after I wrote my long post, new ideas for things to do for you kept popping into my head and guess what? Leeds Castle is top of the list.

Leeds Castle is one of my favourite places to visit when I am back home and I have taken my kids there with their grandparents several times. It is fabulously well maintained, features a huge moat/lake all the way around and the inside and furnishings in all the rooms give an idea of what life was like and how short people were back then because the beds, in addition to being about 6 feet off the ground (!) are so short my legs would hang off one of them from the knees downwards! The grounds are equally delightful.

The UK is simply stuffed full of palaces (you could also try Blenheim Palace on west of London), stately homes and castles, many of which have been maintained by the National Trust. One of my favourite stately homes South of London, a day trip, is Penshurst Place. if you have young kids, go here because they have a great adventure playground the kids will be happy to dwell in and throw themselves around all afternoon long.

I echo one of the other poster's suggestions of the Tate and Tate Modern galleries, along east end of the Thames, easily reached. There is also Kew Gardens, a massive botanical garden, which will offer you a nice break from roads, crowds, congestion, etc. In addition, don't forget Richmond Park, west of London, easily reached again, where the aristocracy used to go on picnics back in the regency period. It is a woodland park, complete with deer, marathon runners and people merely looking to get away from central London and imagine themselves in the country. Central Park it is not, although it does cover some acreage.

Warwick Castle also looks fabulous, I just googled it for a sneak peak. I think it is possibly further away from Central London than Leeds Castle, which is in Kent and nowhere near the city of Leeds, and looking at its website, probably gets more visitors and therefore will be more crowded than Leeds. Google both, take a look at the images, research travel to each one and make your decision. Both look great for a day out.

If you take side trips, you should also consider visiting Stratford Upon Avon, home of Shakespeare and all things Shakespearean. I went there as a kid and loved it. Which reminds me, you could visit the restored Shakespeare's Globe theatre in Southwark, central London also, for some literary and theatrical history. Watch Shakespeare in Love on DVD before you go!

Well, there a million places to go and now you have to do your research and make some difficult decisions. But when you get back, come here and write and tell me all about it, OK?

Clare
 
Re: subway system.

Like the Paris subway system, the London system is pretty easy to figure out, and you can become a pro at it quite quickly, so don't make that a reason for going with a group.

Group travel has its advantages (someone else to take care of problems), but also it's disadvantages (being stuck on someone else's schedule), but whether it would work for you depends on what kind of traveler you are: do you like to explore on your own, maybe get a bit lost, then find yourself again? Or would you panic if that happened?
 
Do call your CC company ahead of time to let them know you'll be using your card abroad. Some companies may put a fraud flag on your card if they see it being used in another country, thinking your number has been stolen. Notifying them is a pretty standard procedure for them.
I was going to mention this, but I'll just emphasize what Gayle said: VERY important.

And while you can get some British Pounds before you go, don't take too many. Plan to withdraw your money from your account using your credit card or debit card (I followed Rick Steve's advice to do this last time I went to Paris, and it was a breeze).

Also, be aware that England uses Pounds and not Euros, while other countries (if you decide to visit them, like taking the Chunnel to Paris for a couple of days) use the Euro.
 
Hi Tracy

Re castles, another one to recommend is Windsor Castle which is still used by the Queen. It's only a relatively short train ride from London so is very easy to do in a day trip. Windsor itself is also nice and you can have a little wander round while you're there.

Did you know that part of Buckingham Palace is now open to visitors as well? It only opens for part of the summer though. This website can give you more details: http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/default.asp?action=article&ID=322
It also has details on Windsor Castle as well.

Have fun planning!
 

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