Falcons NOT firing Vick
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andtckrtoo
Cathlete
The reason the Falcons are not firing Vick is so they can collect the money they paid him from the sign on bonus, although it doesn't look as if that can happen anyway.
Let's concentrate all of the Vick threads into one. There are what - 4 on the front page right now? Let's see if we can consolidate them.
Let's concentrate all of the Vick threads into one. There are what - 4 on the front page right now? Let's see if we can consolidate them.
andtckrtoo
Cathlete
Sorry Jen - I didn't mean to snap.
Annette Bethel
Sorry to be the opposite but unless Vick is beating up on women and children, I have no problem with his job. And personally the back up quarterback for Vick actually played better than Vick. I guess each its own.
Trivial: USC's starting quarterback not going to classes. That is a traversity!! Annette
Sorry to be the opposite but unless Vick is beating up on women and children, I have no problem with his job. And personally the back up quarterback for Vick actually played better than Vick. I guess each its own.
Trivial: USC's starting quarterback not going to classes. That is a traversity!! Annette
RunDiggity
Cathlete
First off - I am a dog lover ( animal lover ) and love my pets..so my opinion will not be popular.
But - lets face it - Vick was Stupid! What did he have a 122 million dollar contract or something ridiculous like that, and he gets involved in dog fighting - HELLO - can we say "moron" "dumbby" !!
There are other players and people out there doing far worse crimes - ( IMO ) - then what he was involved with ( horrible as it is ) but because of his status in society - he will be made an example of - ( I don't agree or disagree ) but at the same time it always makes me a bit angry that people like him ( celebrity ) get all that stupid attention when there are people out there committing murder, rape, molestation - you name it - and yet the newspaper is full of articles on what endorsements this guy lost......or if he is getting fired. From a business perspective, they obviously want to try and get some money back from their investment in him....
Ok - I am off my soap box - for the record......he was a very talented person and lost it all because of his stupidity...
ok really done now.....
But - lets face it - Vick was Stupid! What did he have a 122 million dollar contract or something ridiculous like that, and he gets involved in dog fighting - HELLO - can we say "moron" "dumbby" !!
There are other players and people out there doing far worse crimes - ( IMO ) - then what he was involved with ( horrible as it is ) but because of his status in society - he will be made an example of - ( I don't agree or disagree ) but at the same time it always makes me a bit angry that people like him ( celebrity ) get all that stupid attention when there are people out there committing murder, rape, molestation - you name it - and yet the newspaper is full of articles on what endorsements this guy lost......or if he is getting fired. From a business perspective, they obviously want to try and get some money back from their investment in him....
Ok - I am off my soap box - for the record......he was a very talented person and lost it all because of his stupidity...
ok really done now.....
"but unless Vick is beating up on women and children, I have no problem with his job"
Wow! So he could be beating up old men, burning down houses, robbing banks, dealing crack, sending anthrax through the mail, adding poison to over-the-counter drugs, and a host of other crimes, but it's only the beating of women and children that matter to you.
Interesting.
Wow! So he could be beating up old men, burning down houses, robbing banks, dealing crack, sending anthrax through the mail, adding poison to over-the-counter drugs, and a host of other crimes, but it's only the beating of women and children that matter to you.
Interesting.
>
>Annette Bethel
>
>Sorry to be the opposite but unless Vick is beating up on
>women and children, I have no problem with his job. And
>personally the back up quarterback for Vick actually played
>better than Vick. I guess each its own.
>
>Trivial: USC's starting quarterback not going to classes. That
>is a traversity!! Annette
I think it is very serious to show violence and aggression towards any living things. I see this as a psychological problem in that if you don't have empathy for the sufferings of animals then you will not have empathy towards humans. It's been proven that serial killers showed signs of violence when they were young by killing and torturing animals. They do this because animals are defenceless and unable to fight back. Psychological studies show that these people become accustomed to the sight of blood and become immune to violence. Eventually as they grow older and become physically stronger they target young children, women, the elderly and men.
Just like an animal can be trained to kill so can humans be trained. You will find that in certain gangs they will employ animal torture as practice exercise during the initiation rites and eventually the gang member will be told to kill a person to become a fully fledge member.
I think Micheal Vick is a very violent individual and pose a danger to the public at large. He should not be allowed to stay in his job and should go to prison for what he did.
Yen
>Annette Bethel
>
>Sorry to be the opposite but unless Vick is beating up on
>women and children, I have no problem with his job. And
>personally the back up quarterback for Vick actually played
>better than Vick. I guess each its own.
>
>Trivial: USC's starting quarterback not going to classes. That
>is a traversity!! Annette
I think it is very serious to show violence and aggression towards any living things. I see this as a psychological problem in that if you don't have empathy for the sufferings of animals then you will not have empathy towards humans. It's been proven that serial killers showed signs of violence when they were young by killing and torturing animals. They do this because animals are defenceless and unable to fight back. Psychological studies show that these people become accustomed to the sight of blood and become immune to violence. Eventually as they grow older and become physically stronger they target young children, women, the elderly and men.
Just like an animal can be trained to kill so can humans be trained. You will find that in certain gangs they will employ animal torture as practice exercise during the initiation rites and eventually the gang member will be told to kill a person to become a fully fledge member.
I think Micheal Vick is a very violent individual and pose a danger to the public at large. He should not be allowed to stay in his job and should go to prison for what he did.
Yen
Liann
Cathlete
Yen - You have this remarkable way of writing EXACTLY what I am thinking!!! I've read several of your posts today that said exactly what I was about to write. 
I totally agree about the aggression towards animals leading to other issues. It is indeed very well documented that many abusive (psychos, wife beaters, etc..) people actually started out by hurting animals. I think anyone who would harm an animal is pretty low and I'll have no sympathy for him if he never gets to play pro-ball again.
I totally agree about the aggression towards animals leading to other issues. It is indeed very well documented that many abusive (psychos, wife beaters, etc..) people actually started out by hurting animals. I think anyone who would harm an animal is pretty low and I'll have no sympathy for him if he never gets to play pro-ball again.
tneah
Cathlete
I am sorry we are rehashing this BS again. But to the poster that stated "unless Vick is beating up women and children I have no problem with his job".
That is probably the most ignorant statement I have ever heard. And I have been hearing alot of them regarding this horrible thing.
I agree with Tete on this one. So if he was beating up old men, robnbing banks, etc...that would be okay too right? Sheesh.
Anytime someone is in the public eye and loved and respected, they have a responsibility to set an example. Period. Okay, I am totally done talking about this.
That is probably the most ignorant statement I have ever heard. And I have been hearing alot of them regarding this horrible thing.
I agree with Tete on this one. So if he was beating up old men, robnbing banks, etc...that would be okay too right? Sheesh.
Anytime someone is in the public eye and loved and respected, they have a responsibility to set an example. Period. Okay, I am totally done talking about this.
>Yen - You have this remarkable way of writing EXACTLY what I
>am thinking!!! I've read several of your posts today that
>said exactly what I was about to write. I totally agree
>about the aggression towards animals leading to other issues.
>It is indeed very well documented that many abusive (psychos,
>wife beaters, etc..) people actually started out by hurting
>animals. I think anyone who would harm an animal is pretty
>low and I'll have no sympathy for him if he never gets to play
>pro-ball again.
Oh really? It's funny but I didn't think people read my incoherent ramblings.
I don't have very much on at work right so I am on this forum all day...
Yen
>am thinking!!! I've read several of your posts today that
>said exactly what I was about to write.
I totally agree>about the aggression towards animals leading to other issues.
>It is indeed very well documented that many abusive (psychos,
>wife beaters, etc..) people actually started out by hurting
>animals. I think anyone who would harm an animal is pretty
>low and I'll have no sympathy for him if he never gets to play
>pro-ball again.
Oh really? It's funny but I didn't think people read my incoherent ramblings.
I don't have very much on at work right so I am on this forum all day...
Yen
Miss Lee
Cathlete
>I see this as a psychological
>problem in that if you don't have empathy for the sufferings
>of animals then you will not have empathy towards humans.
Actually, I think it's the other way around. Here's an article that I think sums it up pretty well.
http://www.psyeta.org/hia/vol8/george.html#about
A Formula To Prevent Violence Toward Humans and Animals
MOTHER HILDEGARD GEORGE
The author advises our child-rearing and edu-cational systems need to be changed in order to stop our culture from being so violent. This would include paying more attention to the necessity of nurturing children, modeling nurturing behavior toward animals and people, being unafraid to stand up for such values as compassion, empathy, and respect and love for all life. The author finds that self-esteem can be enhanced through one's value system.
Ghandi once wrote that the greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. I would also add, by the way its children are treated.
We live in a throw-away society. We pollute our environment with unwanted, often unused goods. We throw away our pets (multi-millions a year). We throw away our elderly. We throw away our children. Even though many normal children are not abandoned, they are often neglected educationally, emotionally, and spiritually.
The first stated goal of the American Humane Association's Summit on Violence Conference (1991) was to prevent the onset of violent behavior with educational programs that promote nurturing and empathy in children, including experiential ones. It is my contention that unless we get to the root of the evil pervading our society as a whole, all the programs in the world will be as effective as bandaids on cancer patients.
We live in an age when there is much thought given to the needs of children, but one can hardly say this is a society which has children at its heart. Young lives are being wasted because their potential never had a chance to blossom. Education is more concerned with reading and writing and arithmetic than with nurturing children into becoming the best individuals they can become by nurturing and training them in the art and science of humanity, the ability to relate to others in a cooperative, loving, and caring manner. Many parents who are overworked in a society which seems to be rushing to uncertain doom, have lost the values once held by generations past, and have nothing of permanent and real value to hand down to their children or have no time to communicate these values. We have only to consider the statistics seen in the daily press of crimes committed by younger and younger children of seemingly normal families, of the suicide rate of our children and adolescents, of children dropping out of school and work, and of the increased use of drugs, to see that much is not right in what we are doing with our children. At home and school, we are not teaching children a sense of their own self-worth or that all life is precious, which would lead to a respect and love for all life.
Whatever happened to the old-fashioned virtues of compassion, caring, respect, and responsibility? We need to look closely at the process by which a society develops its moral paradigms, especially as they relate to violence against the vulnerable. We will never find caring and empathy where there is a lack of feeling and barren relationships. When children have only frustration and hostility in their lives they learn to compensate for the feelings of powerlessness, inferiority, and rage by abusing those who are smaller, often animals. Rollo May (1968) suggests when a child is not loved adequately by a mother or father there develops a penchant for revenge on the world, a need to destroy the world for others insomuch as it was not good for him.
Years ago, when a child was not given all the possible positives in the home, there was always a second chance in school. I do not believe this is so these days. I find many middle-class parents today are afraid to take a stand and communicate such issues as morals and values to their children, unlike parents of past generations. Teachers and counselors feel it is not their job to show children the difference between right and wrong. In fact, I have found they believe it is wrong to impose their views. But without values, children become confused and anxious over the array of alternatives.
A value system is tied integrally to self-image. Values can be defined as those aspects of life and behavior which an individual deems as most important and worthy. If one is true to his or her values, self-image is enhanced. A decline in self-image is usually accompanied by a crumbling in values. Bettelhem (1977) wrote, "Just because life is so often bewildering to him, the child needs even more to be given the chance to understand himself in this complex world with which he must learn to cope. To be able to do so, the child must be helped to make some coherent sense out of the turmoil of his feelings. He needs ideas on how to bring his inner house into order, and on that basis be able to create order in his life. He needs a moral education which conveys to him the advantages of moral behavior."
Having given children an education void of standards, is it any wonder that they develop lacking morals, responsibility, and self-discipline? To address the growing need for more ways to help children, I have looked for alternatives to help the continuum of normative growth. Introducing animals into the lives of normally developing children has proven to be a successful way to prevent seemingly small problems from turning into lasting behavior problems. It creates a healthy environment that assists the child in coping with stress as well as deepening the sensitivity of children to all others, including animals.
One of the most important virtues we are not instilling in our young children today is empathy. Direct contact with animals, with modeling and guidance, can be one way of helping children develop empathy with other beings (human and non-human), and with the environment.
It is my experience that since children often learn best by example, they can develop an awareness of the needs of others by seeing how adults care for and relate to animals. Children can practice a variety of interactions with an animal which can later be incorporated into relationships with others. Animals can teach children behaviors, such as a capacity to communicate, which are not easily acquired by conventional learning techniques, and social behaviors, such as sharing the responsibility for others. Animals can also help children develop self-
esteem, a sense of achievement, nurturing, cooperation, and socialization, which all contribute to the building of empathy for all others.
Not only do animals bring out the personalities of children and improve their receptiveness to the environment and to others, but they often teach children how to relax and be themselves. Play is one of the most important health-related aspects of the human/animal relationship. Animals are often better playmates for children than toys because animals constantly bring the child back to the reality of the relationship. Animals can also contribute to the development of children as they can be an active playmate who helps release energy and tensions in the child, while the child can do the same thing for the animals.
I am often asked if there is animal abuse with children I work with, especially the inner-city children, many of whom have been abused themselves. In my three years at Green Chimneys (A therapeutic residential farm for children in New York, where animals and children relate with each other on a daily basis) I never saw a child deliberately hurt an animal. Animals have accidently been stepped on, embraced or brushed too hard, but I never saw real damage, and the animal was the first to come back for more attention and affection. The child, in turn, learned the proper way to behave around the animal. The children are taught empathy from the beginning by watching the adults around them, and by interaction with their peers. It all has to do with the most powerful kind of education which involves more than demonstrations. It involves care and love. Studies by Kidd & Kidd (1990) show the more contact with live animals and the more sources of information about animals children have, the more affection for and interest in animals they will develop. Early experience is important in forming attitudes which remain into adulthood.
One of the weaknesses of past studies about those who abuse animals is they do not consider the patterns of pet ownership among the subjects: they did not ask if the animal was the child's and what was the nature of that relationship. Frank Ascione (1993) of Utah State University is now taking this into account in studies of companion animal relationships, as well as broadening the strata of society tested. We all know that doctors, lawyers, and other professionals can be among the most severe animal and family abusers as well as the poor. The stresses of our society can cause even the most empathic person to become unhinged at times. We need to keep in mind the words of St. Thomas Aquinas written in the 13th century. He said that being cruel to animals leads to the temporal hurt of humankind. Again I find it valid to substitute animals for children. The violence to children as well as to animals leads to the decay of our future.
It is up to those who work with children to see that they receive all the help they need in order to become their richest selves. What greater gift can we give children than a sense of their own self-worth and the knowledge that all life is precious? The development of empathy for all of God's creation, no matter how great or how small is the most effective way I know to teach children to empathize with each other, including non-human animals. To nurture the child and encourage his caring and the nurturing of animals leads to an adult who cares for the world and a more caring, less violent future. This development of empathy, which is truly a part of the child's developing morality, should be one of our top priorities in humane education. There is no better way to foster virtue than to foster nurture.
REFERENCES:
American Humane Association (1991). Report on the Summit of Violence Towards Children and Animals.
Ascione, Frank (1993). Cruelty to Animals in Childhood and Adolescence: An Overview of Research and Clinical Implications. Utah State University.
Bettelheim, Bruno (1977). The uses of enchantment. New York: Vintage Books.
Kidd, A. & Kidd, R. (1990). Factors in children's attitudes. Psychological Reports. 66, 775-86.
May, R. (1968). Seminar presented at the Abbey of Regina Laudis, Bethlehem, CT.
St. Thomas Aquinas (1227-1274). 13th Century Catholic Philosopher.
Mother Hildegard George
Ph. D.
Consultant and Shepherdess
Our Lady of The Rock
Mother Hildegard George is a Benedictine nun living at a monastery on a small island in the San Juans off the coast of northern Washington. She earned her Ph. D. in child and adolescent psychology. The emphasis of her current work is to study the incorporation of animals in the treatment of children with normally developing children as well as those with emotional problems. She has worked with Blueberry Treatment Center in Brooklyn and Green Chimneys in Brewster, NY, where she established the Animal-Assisted Therapy Program.
Her work has been published in Charles Schaefer's (Ed.) Innovative Interventions in Therapy for Children and Adolescents and various journals and newsletters. She is a fellow of The American Orthopsychiatric Association. Currently, she consults and leads workshops for the American Humane Association and the Delta Society. She is also shepherdess of the monastery's flock of rare Cotwsold sheep.
>problem in that if you don't have empathy for the sufferings
>of animals then you will not have empathy towards humans.
Actually, I think it's the other way around. Here's an article that I think sums it up pretty well.
http://www.psyeta.org/hia/vol8/george.html#about
A Formula To Prevent Violence Toward Humans and Animals
MOTHER HILDEGARD GEORGE
The author advises our child-rearing and edu-cational systems need to be changed in order to stop our culture from being so violent. This would include paying more attention to the necessity of nurturing children, modeling nurturing behavior toward animals and people, being unafraid to stand up for such values as compassion, empathy, and respect and love for all life. The author finds that self-esteem can be enhanced through one's value system.
Ghandi once wrote that the greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. I would also add, by the way its children are treated.
We live in a throw-away society. We pollute our environment with unwanted, often unused goods. We throw away our pets (multi-millions a year). We throw away our elderly. We throw away our children. Even though many normal children are not abandoned, they are often neglected educationally, emotionally, and spiritually.
The first stated goal of the American Humane Association's Summit on Violence Conference (1991) was to prevent the onset of violent behavior with educational programs that promote nurturing and empathy in children, including experiential ones. It is my contention that unless we get to the root of the evil pervading our society as a whole, all the programs in the world will be as effective as bandaids on cancer patients.
We live in an age when there is much thought given to the needs of children, but one can hardly say this is a society which has children at its heart. Young lives are being wasted because their potential never had a chance to blossom. Education is more concerned with reading and writing and arithmetic than with nurturing children into becoming the best individuals they can become by nurturing and training them in the art and science of humanity, the ability to relate to others in a cooperative, loving, and caring manner. Many parents who are overworked in a society which seems to be rushing to uncertain doom, have lost the values once held by generations past, and have nothing of permanent and real value to hand down to their children or have no time to communicate these values. We have only to consider the statistics seen in the daily press of crimes committed by younger and younger children of seemingly normal families, of the suicide rate of our children and adolescents, of children dropping out of school and work, and of the increased use of drugs, to see that much is not right in what we are doing with our children. At home and school, we are not teaching children a sense of their own self-worth or that all life is precious, which would lead to a respect and love for all life.
Whatever happened to the old-fashioned virtues of compassion, caring, respect, and responsibility? We need to look closely at the process by which a society develops its moral paradigms, especially as they relate to violence against the vulnerable. We will never find caring and empathy where there is a lack of feeling and barren relationships. When children have only frustration and hostility in their lives they learn to compensate for the feelings of powerlessness, inferiority, and rage by abusing those who are smaller, often animals. Rollo May (1968) suggests when a child is not loved adequately by a mother or father there develops a penchant for revenge on the world, a need to destroy the world for others insomuch as it was not good for him.
Years ago, when a child was not given all the possible positives in the home, there was always a second chance in school. I do not believe this is so these days. I find many middle-class parents today are afraid to take a stand and communicate such issues as morals and values to their children, unlike parents of past generations. Teachers and counselors feel it is not their job to show children the difference between right and wrong. In fact, I have found they believe it is wrong to impose their views. But without values, children become confused and anxious over the array of alternatives.
A value system is tied integrally to self-image. Values can be defined as those aspects of life and behavior which an individual deems as most important and worthy. If one is true to his or her values, self-image is enhanced. A decline in self-image is usually accompanied by a crumbling in values. Bettelhem (1977) wrote, "Just because life is so often bewildering to him, the child needs even more to be given the chance to understand himself in this complex world with which he must learn to cope. To be able to do so, the child must be helped to make some coherent sense out of the turmoil of his feelings. He needs ideas on how to bring his inner house into order, and on that basis be able to create order in his life. He needs a moral education which conveys to him the advantages of moral behavior."
Having given children an education void of standards, is it any wonder that they develop lacking morals, responsibility, and self-discipline? To address the growing need for more ways to help children, I have looked for alternatives to help the continuum of normative growth. Introducing animals into the lives of normally developing children has proven to be a successful way to prevent seemingly small problems from turning into lasting behavior problems. It creates a healthy environment that assists the child in coping with stress as well as deepening the sensitivity of children to all others, including animals.
One of the most important virtues we are not instilling in our young children today is empathy. Direct contact with animals, with modeling and guidance, can be one way of helping children develop empathy with other beings (human and non-human), and with the environment.
It is my experience that since children often learn best by example, they can develop an awareness of the needs of others by seeing how adults care for and relate to animals. Children can practice a variety of interactions with an animal which can later be incorporated into relationships with others. Animals can teach children behaviors, such as a capacity to communicate, which are not easily acquired by conventional learning techniques, and social behaviors, such as sharing the responsibility for others. Animals can also help children develop self-
esteem, a sense of achievement, nurturing, cooperation, and socialization, which all contribute to the building of empathy for all others.
Not only do animals bring out the personalities of children and improve their receptiveness to the environment and to others, but they often teach children how to relax and be themselves. Play is one of the most important health-related aspects of the human/animal relationship. Animals are often better playmates for children than toys because animals constantly bring the child back to the reality of the relationship. Animals can also contribute to the development of children as they can be an active playmate who helps release energy and tensions in the child, while the child can do the same thing for the animals.
I am often asked if there is animal abuse with children I work with, especially the inner-city children, many of whom have been abused themselves. In my three years at Green Chimneys (A therapeutic residential farm for children in New York, where animals and children relate with each other on a daily basis) I never saw a child deliberately hurt an animal. Animals have accidently been stepped on, embraced or brushed too hard, but I never saw real damage, and the animal was the first to come back for more attention and affection. The child, in turn, learned the proper way to behave around the animal. The children are taught empathy from the beginning by watching the adults around them, and by interaction with their peers. It all has to do with the most powerful kind of education which involves more than demonstrations. It involves care and love. Studies by Kidd & Kidd (1990) show the more contact with live animals and the more sources of information about animals children have, the more affection for and interest in animals they will develop. Early experience is important in forming attitudes which remain into adulthood.
One of the weaknesses of past studies about those who abuse animals is they do not consider the patterns of pet ownership among the subjects: they did not ask if the animal was the child's and what was the nature of that relationship. Frank Ascione (1993) of Utah State University is now taking this into account in studies of companion animal relationships, as well as broadening the strata of society tested. We all know that doctors, lawyers, and other professionals can be among the most severe animal and family abusers as well as the poor. The stresses of our society can cause even the most empathic person to become unhinged at times. We need to keep in mind the words of St. Thomas Aquinas written in the 13th century. He said that being cruel to animals leads to the temporal hurt of humankind. Again I find it valid to substitute animals for children. The violence to children as well as to animals leads to the decay of our future.
It is up to those who work with children to see that they receive all the help they need in order to become their richest selves. What greater gift can we give children than a sense of their own self-worth and the knowledge that all life is precious? The development of empathy for all of God's creation, no matter how great or how small is the most effective way I know to teach children to empathize with each other, including non-human animals. To nurture the child and encourage his caring and the nurturing of animals leads to an adult who cares for the world and a more caring, less violent future. This development of empathy, which is truly a part of the child's developing morality, should be one of our top priorities in humane education. There is no better way to foster virtue than to foster nurture.
REFERENCES:
American Humane Association (1991). Report on the Summit of Violence Towards Children and Animals.
Ascione, Frank (1993). Cruelty to Animals in Childhood and Adolescence: An Overview of Research and Clinical Implications. Utah State University.
Bettelheim, Bruno (1977). The uses of enchantment. New York: Vintage Books.
Kidd, A. & Kidd, R. (1990). Factors in children's attitudes. Psychological Reports. 66, 775-86.
May, R. (1968). Seminar presented at the Abbey of Regina Laudis, Bethlehem, CT.
St. Thomas Aquinas (1227-1274). 13th Century Catholic Philosopher.
Mother Hildegard George
Ph. D.
Consultant and Shepherdess
Our Lady of The Rock
Mother Hildegard George is a Benedictine nun living at a monastery on a small island in the San Juans off the coast of northern Washington. She earned her Ph. D. in child and adolescent psychology. The emphasis of her current work is to study the incorporation of animals in the treatment of children with normally developing children as well as those with emotional problems. She has worked with Blueberry Treatment Center in Brooklyn and Green Chimneys in Brewster, NY, where she established the Animal-Assisted Therapy Program.
Her work has been published in Charles Schaefer's (Ed.) Innovative Interventions in Therapy for Children and Adolescents and various journals and newsletters. She is a fellow of The American Orthopsychiatric Association. Currently, she consults and leads workshops for the American Humane Association and the Delta Society. She is also shepherdess of the monastery's flock of rare Cotwsold sheep.
pippa
Cathlete
>>I see this as a psychological
>>problem in that if you don't have empathy for the sufferings
>>of animals then you will not have empathy towards humans.
>
>Actually, I think it's the other way around.
I had always heard it the way referenced in this article too. Either way...it doesn't paint a very positive portrait of Vick. If anything, it just shows that he was probably capable of a lot worse. What a scary thought!
>
>>problem in that if you don't have empathy for the sufferings
>>of animals then you will not have empathy towards humans.
>
>Actually, I think it's the other way around.
I had always heard it the way referenced in this article too. Either way...it doesn't paint a very positive portrait of Vick. If anything, it just shows that he was probably capable of a lot worse. What a scary thought!
>
RunDiggity
Cathlete
Hey now - easy does it on the person who stated "unless Vick is beating up women and children I have no problem with his job" - - I am sure it was probably just meant to say there are worse things going on in the world that don't get near the attention they deserve.....
pippa
Cathlete
>Hey now - easy does it on the person who stated "unless Vick
>is beating up women and children I have no problem with his
>job" - - I am sure it was probably just meant to say there are
>worse things going on in the world that don't get near the
>attention they deserve.....
>
Well, I don't know. I see your point but I took it to mean, "I don't find animal abuse to be that big of a deal." To me, that's unsettling.
>
>is beating up women and children I have no problem with his
>job" - - I am sure it was probably just meant to say there are
>worse things going on in the world that don't get near the
>attention they deserve.....
>
Well, I don't know. I see your point but I took it to mean, "I don't find animal abuse to be that big of a deal." To me, that's unsettling.
>
hiitdogs
Cathlete
If I don't ever hear the name Michael Vick again, it won't be soon enough!!! This guy is a low-life, pathetic human being who should no longer be given the attention, positive or negative! The more we, the public, talk about him, the more his PR machine will jump into gear and turn negative to positive.
We are already seeing the beginnings of it, aren't we? Mr. Vick, of course, in his most recent statement "has found Jesus". Hmmmh, interesting how many people find Jesus when they get caught in despicable acts!
None of us knows why the Falcons did not fire Vick, it may have something to do with his contracts and them not wanting to lose any more money, or possibly be able to recoup some money. Time will tell!
The guy has/had a $ 130 Mio contract. I guess no business or franchise can afford to lose millions and millions of $$, just on the principle. I think Blank (or whatever his name is) has made it pretty clear what he thinks about Vick and I don't think we should be judging prematurely. I don't think any of us would be blowing over $ 100 Mio just for the pleasure of firing the jacka$$, I would say there is a lot of legal manouvering going on and a business is usually not run solely on emotions.
By the way, just to make this clear, I am not a NFL fan, I have no clue about the operations, who is who, or even about the rules of Football. All it is to me, is a bunch of guys running up and down the field chasing one ball!
Having said all that, I am not sure why in the world some people expect someone in the public eye to have a responsibility to set an example or for those athletes/stars, etc. to be heroes for our children? WHY????? Because they can run faster, throw a ball faster and/or longer ........ than the rest of us?? What makes us think that we need to look up to them?
In my opinion, half of the NFL "athletes" are overpaid, brainless, violent, sorry excuses for a human being! All of them have the same flaws, the same fears, the same joys as the rest of us and yes, they all crap and fart, too }( :+ The difference is just that they are getting paid a heck of a lot more money than you or I.
For some people, money brings out the best in them, for some, like Vick, money brings out the worst. However, once a thug, always a thug and all the money in the world won't change that, it will just make it easier to get away with things and have a PR company spin it.
I just don't get why so many people want their kids to look up to those athletes whose only accomplishment is to run faster and throw/catch a ball better than the rest of us. Why does someone else have to be your kids' hero? Why not be a hero for our own kids! At least we can control our actions, can't control anyone else's actions, can we?
Sorry, I am getting off my soap box now!
We are already seeing the beginnings of it, aren't we? Mr. Vick, of course, in his most recent statement "has found Jesus". Hmmmh, interesting how many people find Jesus when they get caught in despicable acts!
None of us knows why the Falcons did not fire Vick, it may have something to do with his contracts and them not wanting to lose any more money, or possibly be able to recoup some money. Time will tell!
The guy has/had a $ 130 Mio contract. I guess no business or franchise can afford to lose millions and millions of $$, just on the principle. I think Blank (or whatever his name is) has made it pretty clear what he thinks about Vick and I don't think we should be judging prematurely. I don't think any of us would be blowing over $ 100 Mio just for the pleasure of firing the jacka$$, I would say there is a lot of legal manouvering going on and a business is usually not run solely on emotions.
By the way, just to make this clear, I am not a NFL fan, I have no clue about the operations, who is who, or even about the rules of Football. All it is to me, is a bunch of guys running up and down the field chasing one ball!
Having said all that, I am not sure why in the world some people expect someone in the public eye to have a responsibility to set an example or for those athletes/stars, etc. to be heroes for our children? WHY????? Because they can run faster, throw a ball faster and/or longer ........ than the rest of us?? What makes us think that we need to look up to them?
In my opinion, half of the NFL "athletes" are overpaid, brainless, violent, sorry excuses for a human being! All of them have the same flaws, the same fears, the same joys as the rest of us and yes, they all crap and fart, too }( :+ The difference is just that they are getting paid a heck of a lot more money than you or I.
For some people, money brings out the best in them, for some, like Vick, money brings out the worst. However, once a thug, always a thug and all the money in the world won't change that, it will just make it easier to get away with things and have a PR company spin it.
I just don't get why so many people want their kids to look up to those athletes whose only accomplishment is to run faster and throw/catch a ball better than the rest of us. Why does someone else have to be your kids' hero? Why not be a hero for our own kids! At least we can control our actions, can't control anyone else's actions, can we?
Sorry, I am getting off my soap box now!