Evidence of Harm -- Mercury in Vaccines?? ADD, ADHD, &...

Carole,

I agree with all of your points and wish I could've stated my position as eloquently as you did.

I apologize if my remarks were offensive to anyone. You have to understand, some of the remarks about physicians cut very close to home for me. I had just recently tried to soothe and console my DH as he laid his head on the kitchen table and sobbed after a day of trying to save the life of a child. A lot goes on that you never see.

Michele
 
Sarah, I do think most State Board of Educations offer the option to opt out of having your children immunized. I know in Ohio they do. As for adults, it's optional as well. As an RN there were certain vaccinations I was required to have by my employer but that is as much for the patients' safety as for my own, and I was all right with that. It's part of being a healthcare worker who chooses to do inpatient care and I knew that beforehand. I'm still an RN but I no longer work in a direct patient care role, so I no longer have to keep up with certain vaccinations. You do have a choice. As far as I know, none of them are government-mandated. I'm sure someone will correct me here if I'm wrong.

Carol
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Carol,

I am afraid there are people who absolutely do not trust the CDC or research studies.

Unfortunately, critiquing research is not easy. I took a wonderful research course that covered common errors medical professionals make when reviewing the literature and especially when talking with pharmaceutical reps. I can't imagine sifting through the research without the techniques I learned in my research courses.

Although the FDA and CDC recommend the removal of THIMEROSAL, some vaccines contain the preservative.
http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/thimerosal.htm

This preservative has been an issue here in MO. My state Governor signed a bill in July of this year banning immunizations containing mercury in children under 3 and pregnant women.
http://www.semissourian.com/story/1108036.html
 
I believe you are correct Carol.

I just had a Hep B booster last week, but it was optional. I can't imagine providing direct patient care without that protection, but honestly I can't imagine having a non-reactive Rubella during the reproductive years.

Autumn
 
Autumn, can you believe my Hep-B titers are still okay after almost 20 years? I'm glad though. I'm too old to have had the MMR in school so I had mumps bilaterally at age 4 and measles at age five, but never had Rubella. That's one vaccine I had to get in nursing school.

Carol
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Catwoman,

Despite what some of these other women are saying, I still have to agree with you. When my first son was born 5 years ago, my mother warned me about mercury in vaccines. I also ask before any of my kids receive any shots. Plus, if the shot is not mandatory, I refuse it for my children. There is one shot for babies....can't remember the name, but it is for ear infections. My children's ped really pushed this vaccine, but I still refused it.

It is true that drs push these vaccines and other meds. After all, it is what they are taught in med school. Antibiotics are other drugs pushed onto patients that are healthy. There is a website you should look at called www.knowthecause.com. It discusses fungus with associations with antibiotics. Apparently, most drs are clueless about it. It will make you angry!!!! It is my mother's new research at the moment and she is angry about it. She does not trust drs either because they are too quick to medicate rather than find the cause of the probem.

I better stop discussing the "fungus" topic. I have mentioned it here before and got "jumped". Check out the website!

Sara B
 
<There is one shot for babies....can't remember the name, but it is for ear infections.>

Prevnar? Not that it matters, just wondering.

<Antibiotics are other drugs pushed onto patients that are healthy. >

Perhaps this is a regional issue. In my area of the country, I find patients requesting antibiotics and becoming angry if you refuse them. If I refuse to prescribe a medication, a patient simply goes somewhere else and tells me this is their plan. I can't tell you how many women have become upset because I won't give them a med for vaginal discharge (which isn't always indicative of infection).

As medical health care providers, we are damned if we do and damned if we don't!
 
Carol, you are so lucky. The Hep-B wasn't bad, the nurse was very skilled. ;) My parents refused Rubella immunizations for me, so I was immunized later. I wonder what the reason was for the refusal. It couldn't be the fetal tissue... was that an issue in the 70's?

Autumn
 
RE: Evidence of Harm -- Mercury in Vaccines?? ADD, ADH...

Wow, How did I miss this Thread? It seems my computer got 'virused' just as this topic blew open.

Carole and Michele and other health professionsals on this board. As a health professional myself I support your statements on this topic and commend you both for being so informative. Many of you others are jumping to conclusions by reading one book not based on scientific research. Bottom line is you can't believe everything you read. Especially if it can't be bakced up by a controlled study and repeated.


Spin, and Ladys. and Dlavie, I feel for you and your situations with your autistic children. You appear to be doing wonderfully with and for yor children. Blessings to you.


Judy "Likes2bfit"

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Autunm,

Yes, prevnar, and the ped said all babies need it because they are so exposed to germs and blah, blah, blah. she ignored me when I told her my kids don't go to daycare so they are not exposed to so many germs. Plus, I have breastfed all my kids, which is supposed to help with ear infections. I just hate watching my little babies scream when they get shots...I don't want any more than what is mandatory! This ped used to tell me I would probably stop breastfeeding once my children start getting teeth....idiot!!

I think many think they need those meds or they will never get better. Somewhere down the line, they have been misinformed. I took my son to the dr last spring because he was sick and saying his throat hurt. I wanted an answer from the dr of what was causing it...a virus or bacteria. He said it was either or and prescribed an antibiotic. My mother went to a dr when she turned 50 and the dr tried prescribing hormones. She questioned him and he told her for her heart and health. She said she takes care of her heart and health by exercising and eating healthy. He got angry and walked out!!! No offense, but she does not trust drs.

I had a midwife with my first baby and a dr for my 2nd and 3rd. I got so much better care and attention from my midwife than the dr.
The midwife sat in the room with me instead of poking her head in for 2 seconds at a time and letting the nurses do all the work (like the dr did). It was pathetic. All my dr did was "catch" the babies. All I could think was "I paid allllll that money for that???????"

Sara B
 
Sara, I understand where you are coming from completely about antibiotics. I don't want to blame the entire medical profession as a whole, because I do know that many aren't pill pushers, though I do know some who push amox. even for viral infections "just in case" it might be bacterial. Doctors learn what their text books teach them, and in some instances they are just as uninformed as we are. There is a huge awareness now because of how resistant our bodies are becoming to penicillin and aren't able to fight off infection and many doctors are more reluctant to prescribe in most parts of the country. I think it is great that you are researching it yourself, and that your mom is as well. There is ample research to back you up on the fungus issue, and common sense as well. I mean, if it causes vaginal yeast infections why would it cause yeast infections anywhere else? It does make sense. But there are times when our bodies do need help and when antibiotics are needed or we will die or be permanentally hurt. (pneumonia, bronchitis, clap, etc.)

The key is definitely educating ourselves and so that we aren't blind and can understand our bodies and what our options are.

And Autumn, I do feel very sorry for many in the medical profession because you are damned either way. I just hope that people realize that drs aren't uniting to "get us", but that they practice and put faith in what they are telling us as well, and I would hope that the reason they got in the profession at all was so that they could save lives and not destroy them.

Missy
 
<I think many think they need those meds or they will never get better. Somewhere down the line, they have been misinformed.>

Yes, but I think there is blame to be placed on the medical professionals AND patients. When I tell a patient, an antibiotic is useless to treat a virus and he or she insists on finding someone to prescribe an antibiotic the blame is shared. I know people who ask more questions and are more particular about the care their car receives than they do about their health care. There are exceptions so please be aware that I know this.

<She questioned him and he told her for her heart and health. She said she takes care of her heart and health by exercising and eating healthy. He got angry and walked out!!! No offense, but she does not trust drs.>

Good for your mom. All I want is people to make informed choices and respect the fact that we each have choices. Lets not assume that a person is misinformed or ignorant because he or she chooses another option.

<No offense, but she does not trust drs.>

No offense, I am a nurse (nurse practitioner) and I am exceptional and provide(d) exceptional care!!! :)

Take care!
Autumn
 
I hear ya Missy!

You know, everytime I read or hear Gonorrhea referred to as "the clap", I see that commercial for "the clapper". :)
 
I don't mind so much when the employer has something to say because you have the choice to work there. I guess I just get more frustrated with the government telling us we have no option. I am glad that there is options about vaccs in Ohio. I hope it is the same in all states:)
sarah
 
Missy,

yeah, I agree some antibiotics are nec to beat some infections. But, one should take probiotics with the antibiotic to replace the good bacteria. No, not all drs are bad, but I agree are just misinformed. I don't think a lot of them have studied antifungals in med school. I could be wrong though. I think there are many times when an antifungal is nec rather than antibiotics. But then again, I am not a dr and never went to med school. Just something I read....hope I don't offend any med professionals!!

Sara B
 
Autumn, I'm not really sure what the issue could have been in the 70's with respect to Rubella. I'll try to find out though and if I do I'll post it here. This is turning into a very interesting thread!!

Carol
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Autumn, you would not believe the number of people I have taken care of over the years who don't understand antibiotics don't "cure" viral infections. They either just don't get it or had so-and-so tell them they got antibiotics and "felt better", so they feel they must have them too. I can't imagine how frustrating it must be for physicians who try to explain they aren't really needed.

On the subject of folks who feel physicians push antibiotics or other meds on people, I've never once had a physician try to "push" any med on me for any reason. Sometimes they're offered as one option, but I've never felt like I was being unwittingly pushed in that direction. I think it's a matter of perspective. And, nothing is there to stop ANYONE from asking questions. I wouldn't fill a prescription and blindly take it just because someone handed it to me. What's wrong with exercising common sense and ASKING about the med and/or other options???


Carol
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Sarab, there are good physicians and there are not so good ones. A few bad experiences does not make them ALL bad just like a few good experiences does not make them ALL good. They're human beings. If you don't like one for whatever reason, find one you do like.

I commend your mom for wanting to be more informed before taking hormones. My OB/GYN and I have discussed this at length (I'm 48) and decided together that is not the way for me to go. If she had not been open to discussing it I would have found one who was.

When Nik was 7 we first took her to a psychologist for what we didn't realize back then were OCD symptoms. We had already talked to her teachers at school and they weren't sure what to think, but they told me a few things they didn't think the symptoms were. ADHD was one of those things. He spent 20 minutes with her and said she was ADHD and I should see a psychiatrist ASAP to get her on Ritalin. I calmly told him I disagreed with him and why (I had done my homework first, you see), and that I was not about to put her on any med without more information first. He was very offended and told me I'd be back when she was failing all her school subjects. Well ... Nik is a straight A honor student and always has been (she turns 15 in a couple of weeks), and when she was finally correctly diagnosed, it was by a different psychologist. Did I get pissed for life and not trust psych doctors? Of course not!! That particular one was simply a jerk, but that doesn't make ALL of them so! The ones she has seen since then are godsends and I'm very grateful for them.

Carol
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I somehow missed this post earlier, Autumn. Did you take that research course locally or online? It sounds like something I would love to explore! Thanks for the links. This is really a subject that bears watching.

Carol
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Carol, I'd believe it. I still can't convince a couple of people I know that antibiotics do not cure influenza. I've had patients swear the antibiotics helped but when you consider the timeframe the sypmtoms improved it is the virus running its course.

I admit I have had physicians push meds on me... contraceptives mostly. Well, there was my post-op pain medication. I was cramping post-diagnostic lap and asked for Ibuprofen. I was given Percocet!! I don't tolerate narcotics. I guess I have Joint Commission and my right to pain control for the Percocet. :)

In my particular area, there are a number of physicians who push meds. Then there are those who will prescribe whatever you ask for... is that scary or what?? There are a few good docs though. We go to St. Louis, which is home to some fantastic hospitals and doctors, if it is serious. For example, DH's cardiac cath will be in St. Louis not at the "bandaid" station as I call our local facilities.
 
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