Chiropractors

chachi

Cathlete
Good Morning,

I was hoping to get some advice from any of you that have had successful treatment by a chiropractor. I've suffered from back and shoulder pain for years. Just recently I've been getting really bad migraines with dizziness and nausea. It's been so bad this past week that I have not been able to workout ;(

I had my first appt yesterday and I have to say I feel just as bad if not worse today x( I also find it strange that I have a sore throat today. The Dr took a bunch of x-rays and apparently my lower spine is curved and I have a few vertabrae that are tilted in my upper back and neck area pinching on some nerves.

I have two more appts this week and was wondering when should I start feeling better not worse?

Thanks in advance,

Chastity

P.S. BTW anyone who remembers our doxie Tanner who had back surgery...he's doing very well. He's still a bit wobbly in his hind end but he actually trotted a bit this morning while he was outside :D

http://www.picturetrail.com:80/chastgirl0205
 
I would talk to your chiropractor about that, he may have to modify his treatment, or it maybe normal. Definitely let him/her know though.

I went to a chiropractor for the first time a few years ago after a pretty bad horseback riding accident.

I had the same symptoms with migranes, dizziness and nausea. The sore throat may be a coincidence, still tell your chiropractor.

After the first few treatments I felt worse than before, I told my chiropractor that I wanted to stop the treatment, but he said it will get better and it did!

Glad to hear that Tanner is doing better, I was wondering how he is doing.

Good luck!

Carola
 
It will take a little while to start feeling completely better unfortunately. My spine is curved out to the side and then rotated in that curve - hard to explain but looks like crap on the x-ray. I used to figure skate competitively when I was younger and I was always dealing with severe back pain (layback spins - ouch!). My parents finally took me to a chiropractor when I was about 15 and couldn't stand it anymore. The one I went to made me come in every day for 24 days. After that I only had to go in about twice a week and then even less frequently, until I didn't have to go anymore. It was a VERY aggressive treatment plan and not the norm. I have to say though that it really worked. I haven't had to go back in 14 years and counting. It took me a few weeks though to really feel a difference. It wasn't like I just walked in and he cracked a few things and I was cured. I always felt better when leaving the office though. There are definitely good and bad chiropractors, so if you are consistently leaving the session feeling worse, that's not good. One day my regular doc was out and they had another dr. in the office adjust me. I left there in a lot of pain. I found out later that no one liked that other dr. because he did more harm than good and everyone complained of hurting more afterwards. If you find that to be the case, find another dr.!

I'm glad Tanner is doing better! I've been wondering about him! :)
 
I underwent a somewhat rigorous chiropractic plan last year. I had chronic lower back pain that I'd been dealing with since I was a teenager, as well as chronic headaches (not migraines, but dull, annoying, sinus headaches). I also had an X-Ray that was surprisingly out of whack. The treatment schedule was 3X per week for two weeks, then 1 or 2x per week for the following two weeks, and eventually diminished down to a maintenance visit 1X a month.

I don't recall feeling worse after the first treatment, but it did take more than one treatment to start feeling better. I think it really depends on how severe your condition is to start with. I do remember my chiro mentioning that I might notice "cold-like" symptoms early on.

Also, my chiro required that I also meet with an occupational therapist at each visit for rehab exercises. They were really helpful.

I can say that my back is much better, and the headaches are just about non-existent.

Hope this helps. :)
 
I have a biased against Chiropractors myself so keep that in mind.:) I believe you will be hard pressed to find a chiro that WON'T tell you that your spine is not aligned 'properly'. Also, most chiros rely solely on manipulation of the spine for treatment which is not a great long term treatment. Many Physical therapists use this treatment to HELP with acute back pain and do not use it for long term treatments. Some chiros will even engage cervical spine manipulation(sometimes called 'high velocity' manipulation), which might be dangerous and may contribute to strokes (the evidence either way is not 100%):

(http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/176_08_150402/bre10066_fm.html

http://www.faact.com/healthadvisory.html

Many chiros use the term "subluxation" to describe spinal mis-alignments. This term was actually made up by a chiro long ago as a theory. There are a LOT of more modern chiros that steer clear of using this term and try to align themselves with more scientifically based schools of thought. There is definitely 2 schools of thought within their profession, one that is more alternative medicine and one that is more scientific.

I believe many chiros (alternative medicine) also say that they can treat a variety of ills with manipulation (flu, stomach problems, you name it) and with no evidence of this. Many of them will also tell you that you need to be seen by them for years and it's not uncommon for chiros to have patients for literally decades. This is sometimes because the effects of the spinal manipulation will surely wear off and the pain comes back. It's definitely a cycle. As for my own experience with them, I had a boyfriend long ago that went to a chiro for 'stomach issues'. The chiro told him he needed his spine to be manipulated and eventually his stomach issues would disappear. Of course it didn't work and when he confronted the chiro, he told him that is may take years for it to work. He NEVER suggested that he see a gastro-intestinal expert. Also, I don't believe that chiro schools are regionally accredited (they have their own system of accreditation which I find suspicious).

Anyway, that's my opinion.
Carolyn
 
Thanks for the input ladies. I definitely have some ?'s for him at my appt tomorrow. I just want to be relieved of this migraine and nausea. I keep trying to will myself to do some type of workout and then after standing up and getting dizzy I think "who am I kidding."

Take Care!
Chastity

http://www.picturetrail.com:80/chastgirl0205
 
>Thanks for the input ladies. I definitely have some ?'s for
>him at my appt tomorrow. I just want to be relieved of this
>migraine and nausea. I keep trying to will myself to do some
>type of workout and then after standing up and getting dizzy I
>think "who am I kidding."
>
>Take Care!
>Chastity
>
>http://www.picturetrail.com:80/chastgirl0205

This maybe a stupid question but have you had a cold / sinus infection in the last 4 weeks before the onset of symptoms?

Carola
 
I've gone to chiropractors on-and-off for years, for various problems, starting with when I fell off a horse (actually, the horse fell, and took me with him, but HE righted himself before he landed on me). There are good and bad, and I've seen both.

At one point, I developed a horrible headache in the side-back of my head, that got worse when I would lie down. It felt like the dull edge (or sometimes, the sharp edge!) of an axe was lodged in my skull. Once, when I was lying down to do bench presses, I thought my head would burst, and I went to the emergency room, thinking it was something very serious. They found 'nothing.'

I then went to the chiropractor for an adjustment, and it didn't seem to help. So I went the 'regular doctor' way. After an exam, x-rays, a CAT scan and an MRI, they could still find 'nothing,' but I was still in pain. I finally went back to the chiropractor, gave it more time, and after 2 appointments, started feeling better. I was pain free within a week or two.
 
Chiropractic works!!

Hi Chastity!

When you ask if anyone has had good luck with a chiropractor, it's like asking if anyone has had a good experience with any health care professional, lawyer, salesperson, etc. There are good ones and bad ones!! Obviously some people, no matter what they do, just want to make money. Others sincerely love what they do and are dedicated to helping people.

My father is a chiropractor and he has treated thousands of people. Everywhere we go, he knows someone and they all are so excited to see him because he has helped them so much! Whenever he gives someone their first adjustment, he calls them that night and checks on them. He always lets them know that some reactional soreness can occur and that it's normal and will go away. You can take tylenol or something to relieve it.

Any chiropractor asking you to come in more than 3x a week for longer than 6 weeks is probably fishing for money. It'll probably still work though!

Anyways, I know personally that chiropractic care can REALLY heal a persons back, shoulders, neck, etc. If you go to a regular physician, they may recommend prescription drugs or surgery. It's definitely worth trying chiropractic first!! And if you have any uncertainties, take the x-rays to a different chiropractor for a second opinion (you can legally take the x-rays without paying for them for a certain period of time, but you have to return them to the clinic that originally took them)

By the way, just because you have one bad experience with a regular doctor doesn't mean you reject the whole field of medicine, right?
It's the same with chiropractors! Some really know what they're doing and really do care!

I wish you all the best!
Alison
 
hi Carolyn

Hi Carolyn,

I'm so sorry that your old boyfriend had such a bad experience with a chiropractor! There are definately some bad ones out there!

My dad is a chiropractor and I realize that I'm biased for chiropractic of course, but honestly, I know it works big time!

Judging by your post, you obviously have taken the time to educate yourself about chiropractic, so I apologize if you already know this...

The nerves that go from the spinal cord and into your hands, feet, stomach, brain, etc. all have to go through small spaces in between vertebrae in the spine. Sometimes because of what we put our bodies through, the vertebrae can move ever so slightly, putting pressure on the nerves. This can cause headaches, back aches, stomach aches, etc. My dad had often adjusted my spine when I have had one of the above, and the problem is solved within several hours.

A good chiropractor knows when to have his patients consult with an internal medicine doctor or orthopaedic physician, etc. The doctor your old boyfriend saw obviously wasn't a good one!

Also, I checked out the journal article about adjusting the neck and stroke risk. The rate of stroke following manipulation of the cervical spine can be likened to the rate of death crossing the street or driving a car. It is extremely negligible. My father has treated thousands of people with no ill effects other than if the person wasn't taking proper care of themselves! But no one has ever died or had a stroke as a result of getting an adjustment.

The other article, the FAACT article, I can't even believe they put stuff like that on the internet! Well, actually I can! People can put whatever they want on the internet and they don't even have to prove what they're saying. It is absolutely rediculous to outlaw a whole profession because a few people out there have been careless. The particular doctors need to be pursued in court, not the whole field! There are MD's responsible for patient deaths, but no one is trying to outlaw hospitals or surgery! The risk of death from surgery or prescription meds is very real too, but no one is trying to make those illegal. What a horrible website!

Sorry, I know you are only a victim of the bathroom wall called the internet.

Anyways, please realize that there is a lot of positive evidence for chiropractic care.

Thankyou,
Alison
 
Chastity..so glad to hear about Tanner!

I agree with some of the other posters that said it might take a few times to feel better. Yes...ASK QUESTIONS! I started going to a Chiropractor in 1998. I was always skeptical but since I worked out hard, ran long distances and had some low back pain off and on (usually dumb things I did) I figured I would try chiropractic. Well, I am still going now (my nephew is a chiropractor!) and I look at it as preventative medicine. I still workout hard and I know running can be hard on your spine. My nephew has helped with any pain I have had. He has adjusted my ankles (after a long trail run). Checked my knees if I had any kind of pain (I have been lucky there), and is now helping me thru some lumbar pain. I go once or twice a week. I just think this is a better route than going to an MD and getting muscle relaxants and pain meds.....just my 2 cents...:)
 
RE: hi Carolyn

>Hi Carolyn,
>
>I'm so sorry that your old boyfriend had such a bad experience
>with a chiropractor! There are definately some bad ones out
>there!
>
>My dad is a chiropractor and I realize that I'm biased for
>chiropractic of course, but honestly, I know it works big
>time!
>
>Judging by your post, you obviously have taken the time to
>educate yourself about chiropractic, so I apologize if you
>already know this...
>
>The nerves that go from the spinal cord and into your hands,
>feet, stomach, brain, etc. all have to go through small spaces
>in between vertebrae in the spine. Sometimes because of what
>we put our bodies through, the vertebrae can move ever so
>slightly, putting pressure on the nerves. This can cause
>headaches, back aches, stomach aches, etc. My dad had often
>adjusted my spine when I have had one of the above, and the
>problem is solved within several hours.
>
>A good chiropractor knows when to have his patients consult
>with an internal medicine doctor or orthopaedic physician,
>etc. The doctor your old boyfriend saw obviously wasn't a
>good one!
>
>Also, I checked out the journal article about adjusting the
>neck and stroke risk. The rate of stroke following
>manipulation of the cervical spine can be likened to the rate
>of death crossing the street or driving a car. It is
>extremely negligible. My father has treated thousands of
>people with no ill effects other than if the person wasn't
>taking proper care of themselves! But no one has ever died or
>had a stroke as a result of getting an adjustment.
>
>The other article, the FAACT article, I can't even believe
>they put stuff like that on the internet! Well, actually I
>can! People can put whatever they want on the internet and
>they don't even have to prove what they're saying. It is
>absolutely rediculous to outlaw a whole profession because a
>few people out there have been careless. The particular
>doctors need to be pursued in court, not the whole field!
>There are MD's responsible for patient deaths, but no one is
>trying to outlaw hospitals or surgery! The risk of death from
>surgery or prescription meds is very real too, but no one is
>trying to make those illegal. What a horrible website!
>
>Sorry, I know you are only a victim of the bathroom wall
>called the internet.
>
>Anyways, please realize that there is a lot of positive
>evidence for chiropractic care.
>
>Thankyou,
>Alison
>
Thanks for responding Alison! I do understand that there are some scientifically based chiros out there. Maybe I should have emphasized that more. As far as the website goes, I just wanted to bring up the point that that particular manipulation (cervical spine) is controversial and there are petitions going around to stop it. I think a person getting that done should at least know that it may carry some risks (and I do believe that people have suffered strokes after getting this manipulation, but of course they can't say definitively if it was due to the procedure or not). Of course it should be said that this procedure is not only done by chiros, but also by some physical therapists as well.

I've heard this theory about the spine being the main issue that affects all other body parts. It reminds me of a another method that believes you can solve many health problems by massaging the foot in a certain way, using a certain piece of equipment (called reflexolgy). When a person receives a spinal manipulation, endorphines are released and can give the person the impression that their pain has disappeared. Of course it usually comes back and the cycle must repeat itself. It really can be a great treatment for those in acute pain however. Also, it is worth noting that just because a person's spine doesn't look aligned, it does not mean that they are in danger of pain or even in pain at all. A recent study came out (I'll have to find it), that compared peoples x-rays. It studied those that were in pain and those that were not. Interestingly, it showed that there really wasn't a correlation between those that had signs of degeneration or abnormalites and pain. Some of those participants showed extreme signs of degeneration and had no symptoms at all. I think the medical community is learning that they need to rely less on pictures, as they don't always tell the whole truth when it comes to determining who is in pain and who isn't.

Some legal tactics that chiros use also trouble me. Their association has tried for years now to ban physical therapists from doing spinal manipulation (even though they are medically trained to do it as well). They've even gone so far as to sue individual therapists and in one case, they won. Recently (I believe in Arkansas), a law was passed that made it ILLEGAL for therapists to adjust a patient's spine. Afterwards, it was discovered that the lawmakers were receiving bribes from the Chiro's association and those lawmakers were (I believe) fired, although the law still remains in effect. I find those tactics and the idea that only they can do the procedure, very unethical. It especially bothers me when I see chiro's offering 'Physical Therapy' for their patients, even though they clearly are not physical therapists. Here's some info about that:

http://www.quackwatch.org/ (you must scroll down on this website to find the chiro section)

http://quackfiles.blogspot.com/2004/11/ica-files-major-brief-in-landmark.html

http://www.geocities.com/healthbase/chirolinks.html

All of this is not to say that there aren't some good chiros out there. I just think there are also a LOT of not so good ones either.

Carolyn
 

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