Are some of us just destined to be fat? (long)

DB1

Cathlete
Hi everyone!

I am mostly a lurker here, but wanted your opinion on something. Who believes our bodies have a "set-point" that cannot be changed no matter what? I really am starting to feel this way.

I will give you a brief history of my "set-point" woes. First of all, my mother has been battling morbid obesity her entire life. She typically hovers in the low to mid 200#. Now she is up to the low to mid 300#. So I have the genetic thing already working against me.

As a child and teenager, I have always been thin. Ate and ate and ate, and not good things either. I weighed about 115# throughout highschool, I am 5'-8" tall. Yes, I was thin, but believe it or not, not too thin. I look best about 125#, but haven't been there in over 17 years. Now before everyone tells me that 125# is way to thin, when I weigh 130#-135#, my body-fat is at 28%!! So you can see why 125# puts me at about normal body-fat, around 25%.

Ok, so I have gained and lost and gained and lost for the past 15 years. I am an avid exerciser, for about 15 years. I run, lift weights, kick-box, do lots of Cathe's etc. My diet has been cleaned up significantly over the past 7 years or so. In 1999, I was up to 150# (my current weight again now), which is so high for me. I am fat at this weight. I decided to cut all of my portions in half (in 99'). I gave up sugar, yep, all of it. No longer do I eat chocolate, frozen yogurt, gave up the once in awhile diet coke, no cereal with sugar, no fruit juices, no sugar. I don't miss it either!! I lost 15# and felt great!!! I eat mostly vegetables, natural oatmeal for breakfast with fruit, salads or vegetable based foods for lunch, with some chicken or fish (I adore sushi) and I eat raw vegetables with flavored salsas and mustards when I get home from work or school. I log everything I eat, which averages to 1400-1600 cals. a day. Someone suggested that I don't eat enough, so I went to about 1800 cals. a day and gained weight right away, so I really need to stick to the low end.

I work out 5 days a week, and cross-train as much as possible. I have been doing Power hour 2 or 3X a week mixed with some Firms, Circuit Max, Imax, running, etc. I have increased my weights significantly with Power Hour over the past few months. To no avail though. I recently had my thyroid tested, but there is nothing wrong with me. It isn't muscle that I have gained either. It is pure fat. I am up from a size 8 to a size 12!!

So what do you all think? Do we have set-points that the body will fight and fight to get to? I feel so discouraged now. I thought I had it all figured out with the small portion thing ( I still do that religously)...I guess I should learn to love the plus-size me, but it is hard, especially when you know you can be thin.

Just wanted your thoughts!! I apologize for the length of this thing!!
 
Hi DBI - I am here with you on this problem but I am not a consistent exerciser. I am trying and I have a problem with portions and drinking alcohol. I am 5'3 and 150. Most people don't think it because I have a lot of muscle (I think) and I wear moslty Blazers to work. My biggest problem is my jobs. I am an accountant so I sit all day. I also am teaching a night class for the first time so I spend even more time sitting to prepare for that. I have been wondering the last few days if I should give up on losing weight and just try to reshape my body. My lower body is a problem. Frustrating trying to lose. I had lost 6 lbs and kept it off over the summer and now it seemed to creep back on this last month. Back to 150.

Hang in there you have at least lost some weight and kept it off and you are exercising consistently which I hold you to a very high standard for!!!

Take Care.
 
Hi DB1,

I wonder if it is an age thing ? You know, like the skin ages, and becomes more lined, as we age, maybe it is the same with the physical make-up of the body. I have read it becomes harder to fight the flab as we age, so maybe we are not destined to be fat, but that the body's metabolism just gets slower as we age ?

It is just a theory ?

Anna
 
Thanks for your imput Winter and Anna,
Winter, I haven't kept the weight off, unfortunately. One year ago I was at 135#, now it's the dreaded 150#. I was able to lose weight back in 99' so easily!! It just literally fell off. I have kept with the same eating habits, and managed to gain back 15#. This is why I feel the body has a set-point and it will do anything to maintain that number.

Anna, age might play a part, I don't know. I am 37, so maybe it's a perimenopausal thing? Although when I lost weight 3 years ago, it was the easiest it ever was for me, and I was 34 then, not too terribly young.

I should probably try and do some research on the topic to see what I can find!! Body chemistry is a complicated, fascinating thing.
 
[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON Oct-31-02 AT 01:12PM (Est)[/font][p]Try changing what you are eating. There are so many different plans out there and maybe the one you are following isn't the best for you individually. I recently switched to BFL, which also cut my cardio time from 6 hours a week to 1 hour a week (although with increased intensity) and also decreased my weights and within the first challenge lost over an inch in my waist and 1 1/2" inches in my hips; and dropped about 3% bodyfat. I'm not saying you have to follow BFL, but that had I not tried it and stuck to my old habits, I'd still be where I was before and not getting the results I wanted. So give yourself the freedom to experiment with other plans and see how your body reacts. I'll be 37 in January and maybe that's why I needed a different plan to follow, but I do think it is attainable for everyone; it just might be hard to find the keys that work for you.

Colleen
 
Wow Colleen!! Sounds like you have had great results. May I ask what the BFL plan consists of? Is it high protein? Just curious......Thanks
 
The basics of BFL are:

Diet:
6 small meals a day
Each meal: palm size portion of protein with fist size portion of carbs
Plus for at least 2 meals add a seving of veggies
Lean proteins and unprocessed carbs for food choices
It works out to about 40% carbs, 40% protein and 20% fat
1 free day per week (whatever ya want, INDULGE)

Workouts:
3 days of cardio 20 minutes high intensity (interval training)
3 days of pyramid style weights (UB, LB, UB one week and then LB, UB, LB the next week). You only work two exercises for each muscle group and do sets of one exercise 12, 10, 8, 6, 12 and then immediately 1 set of 12 with another exercise. For example bis: concentrated curls 12, 10, 8, 6, 12 and then 1 set of hammer curls.

Believe me when I say I was SKEPTICAL at first. But what helped me decide to chagne was that I wasn't getting the results I wanted and here I was busting my butt at working out. My diet lacked also. I did a Zone however wasn't really following a clean eating routine. With BFL I switched all my carbs to unprocessed carbs: oatmeal, beans, brown rice, potatoes, sweet potatoes/yams, corn. I also increased my water to about 8 glasses a day and added 1 tbsp of flax to my diet.

Colleen
 
Hi There,

In my weight management consultant manual there is a discussion about set points. It is believed that you can adjust your set points. For example, if I have recently went from 125 to 120 and stay there for an extended period of time, my new set point is 120, and same would happen if I went up to 130 and stayed there, my new set point would be 130.
About the age thing... the reason people gain weight when they age is typically due to loss of muscle, and so if you continue to lift weights and maintain muscle, weight gain from aging is not as much as a factor. (Provided we aren't taking into account that many people just stop being active once they start working and have kids, etc. because we obviously aren't those people!).
Just my thoughts.
Cari
 
[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON Nov-01-02 AT 10:49AM (Est)[/font][p]Believe it or not, your friend was right and you are eating far too little for the amount of exercise that you do. First of all you need to learn to stop counting calories and learn to eat as your body requires. Cutting out sugar is good, but eating what you are eating is rather low in fat, which is not good. The reason your weight went up when you increased the calories was because your body has been starving (yes, whether you realise it or not) and with the extra calories your body stored it because it thought it was going to starve again. The weight gain would have been temporary if you had continued to eat more and exercising more. It would have taken a few months for your body to realise that it is not going to be starved in the future.

When you exercise, you need to eat more fat to burn as fuel. I don't know about you but after I come home from running for an hour or so - I crave for a burger and fries or pizza (protein, carbs and fats). The more you exercise, the more you can eat so you must eat more and if you don't want to eat bad fats then eat olive oil, nut oil, vegetable oil. Have a chinese stir fried rice with eggs and peas, or stir fried noodles with chicken and mixed vegetables (fried with oil), or spagetti bolognese etc. You can see that these dishes have everything and are simple to make.

To give you an example, I went for a run for about 50 mins yesterday and then I did PS Chest & Shoulders. After that I had some rice with roast chiken and stir fried brocoli, some left over stir fried noodles (I am chinese hence all the oriental dishes). This morning I was still hungry and went to BK for burger, fried and milkshake just now for lunch and I have to say I feel much better now. I feel full. The diet that you are on is ok for people who don't exercise, but for someone like me it wouldn't be enough - I work out 4-5 times a week, running and Cathe's weights.

Being 130-135lbs is fine for you height. If you want to lower your body fat then do more weight training and remember that muscles weigh more than fat, so which do you prefer? The scale or the muscles? Just a little information, some models who are stick thin have higher body fat because they do not have muscles. Muscles are lean tissues and denser so you will weigh more but look slimmer.

BTW. I have an article about the body's set point. If you want to read it, post your email address and I will forward it on to you.


Yen
 
I am just finishing my 1st BFL challenge and had pretty good results too. I lost over 16" during the 12wks and from 135#s to 130#s. Pounds lost really don't matter to me because my weight fluctuates.

Eating the smaller meals, eating every 2-3 hrs, really seems to make a difference. I also think that one free day per wk seems to help convince your body that you are not starving it so the inches start to melt away :)

BTW, I am 40 and could tell that my metabolism was slowing down and pounds were starting to increase :O
I think that's what made me desparately want to do something before I had to buy larger clothes.

dee c.
 
Yen- I would love that article. [email protected], THANKS!!!!

I have done BFL, and I did see good results. The thing I did not like about it was on free day I thought I had to eat everything in the house. I have recently started WW's, and I am very happy. I try to eat whole foods, but if I have a chocolate craving, and have a no-sugar-added fudgecycle, it is ok. I can also have my popcorn fix every night. I had 2 cups of Edy's no-sugar-added chocolate ice cream last Sunday, with some Hershey's light on it, and still lost 2 lbs. I eat very healthy on this, and still can squeeze in a few treats. I eat a cup of Fiber One every day, at least 2 servings of fruit, and many veggies. I am almost convinced WW's is the perfect plan for me.
Lori
 
[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON Nov-01-02 AT 12:06PM (Est)[/font][p]Wow you guys!! Thanks a ton for the info!!! BFL sounds great, except there is no way I can eat 6 small meals a day, I would be unemployed at a quick rate of speed!! We get one chance to eat there a day, and that's it. I might try adding more protein to each meal though. I tend to eat alot of vegetable based items because I love them so much!

I take flaxseed too everyday. I put it in my oatmeal (2Tbs). I do average 20-25% fat a day, it's just the good kind. I am currently weight training 3x a week, and cardio about 2 or 3. The weather finally cooled down here (Arizona), so I am able to get out and run again.

Lori, I had my popcorn fix last night too!! Try not to do it too often, but it is good. Hubby makes the best popcorn.

Yen, I would love that article. My email is [email protected]

Thanks for the information everyone. I think I will try adding more protein to my diet and see what happens. I'll have to think adding calories though. You guys are GREAT!!

Rhonda
 

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