Anyone watch "Dollhouse"?

Lynn M. said:
I agree w/ you Kathryn on Eliza Dushku's acting range..slim to none. I would have liked to have seen another one of Joss's favorites, Charisma Carpenter ( aka Cordelia) play that role.
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Though I'm now rewatching season 1 on DVD, and I think she was better earlier on in the show. I think other characters have been given better material lately (while she gets the 'hot bod' scenes?)
 
You know, Kathryn, I think once they started with the whole "Echo is becoming her own personality" thing, Eliza Dushku became less compelling to watch. The people she became were fun and interesting, but Echo herself is kind of flat. Maybe that's why we all liked her better last season?

I just watched episode 2 from season one of Buffy while running today, and it's so funny to see how much edgier and sophisticated the show became through the years--the make-up/special effects and the actors really grew on that show! I did not remember that the vampires used to growl :) Still, it's so much better than most of what's on tv now.

Kelly
 
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I just finished catching up on the last episodes. I was really behind and avoided opening this thread since I didn't want to pick up any clues as to what was going to happen. I agree that things are moving at hyperspeed as far as plot development, but at least it seems that the show will be allowed to be "wrapped up" to some degree. Most shows just stop in the middle, no chance to wrap up loose ends.

I think the Echo character is designed to be "flat" since she now can switch from implant to implant at will. She doesn't really HAVE a personality of her own at this point to show. I guess it's a moot point anyway since there are only 3 episodes left.

It seems like anything I start to watch and get interested in gets cancelled, like I have the kiss of death. I guess I should start watching the Kardashians or the Girls Next Door so these shows will go away...
 
What did everyone think of last night's episodes? I thought it was hilarious that they threw a line in the script referring to how they were pulled of the air for awhile!

I am intrigued with where they are taking the story, but found myself sad that they couldn't take a few seasons to get there. It's hard to keep up!
 
kellymom said:
What did everyone think of last night's episodes? I thought it was hilarious that they threw a line in the script referring to how they were pulled of the air for awhile!

I am intrigued with where they are taking the story, but found myself sad that they couldn't take a few seasons to get there. It's hard to keep up!
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It's kind of Swiss-cheesey to me: with some big holes in the plot line. Line when did the boss woman learn about Echo's new abilities? Seems almost like we're missing parts of episodes.

I'm hoping that some of the blanks will be filled in on the DVD (like missing episodes?)
 
ITA about the big holes. I can't remember which episode it was (I watched the 3 2-hour shows yesterday when the weather was too crappy to leave the house) but there seemed to be a big jump from Echo on the loose to her hooking up with Ballard as her "trainer" in preparation to return to the Dollhouse. And the potential relationship between the two of them came from nowhere, but I suppose we were to read between the lines. The close contact during the training process made them closer & of course sexual tension ALWAYS results from any contact of more than a nano second between a male and a female. TV and the movies teaches us THAT. :p I thought he "loved" November/Mellie--was that discarded after the Senator Perrin deal?

Yes, there were holes, but I still enjoyed the episodes. At least everything wasn't so slow moving like a soap that takes MONTHS for any little bit of progress in the plot.

I'm curious as to what they will do with the DC Dollhouse that will no doubt be adversarial---maybe Whiskey/Dr Saunders will appear there as well along with November and the Evil tech girl (Bennett?) A final showdown, perhaps?

I also admit I'm impressed by Joss Whedon's naming of the company---Rossum. Certainly must be either really literate or have a head full of trivia (or both!) to refer to a semi-obscure play (well I think it's pretty obscure anyway). I read it in high school English class many moons ago. Not sure why I remembered the company name in the play, but obviously I'm not the only one!
 
It is sad that they're having to throw everything in so they can resolve the main plot of the show before it gets killed! Maybe Joss will do a super dvd set which will include a few hours of filling in all those holes even in a documentary style so we can all go "Oh! So, THAT'S why that happened!" and feel fulfilled!

I'm just glad they had the fair warning so they could get these things resolved! A couple of other shows I was watching that were good got canceled right before really good stuff was about to happen! "Surface" and "Threshold" were two of my favorites! They had short lives and died suddenly.
 
syzygy314 said:
A couple of other shows I was watching that were good got canceled right before really good stuff was about to happen! "Surface" and "Threshold" were two of my favorites! They had short lives and died suddenly.
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I watched those as well (and, I think that same year, another mystery series where one of the main characters--a detective? one of the actors who used to be on "Roswell", I think, or someone else who looked like him--was killed off early on, and there was something about a symbol, I think, that was at the center of some mystery. Does that sound at all familiar? Evidently, it wasn't on long enough to stick in my memory, LOL!).

That year of failed shows made me wary of starting to watch ANY new show with an ongoing plot line, for fear that it, too, would be cancelled without resolution.

It does seem that some shows don't get enough of a chance to develop their story. I wonder how it is that "Lost" has lasted as long as it has, but some of these other potentially fascinating shows don't even get a season? Especially since crap like "Flava of Love" and other 'reality' shows keep coming back with sequels (though I guess they are cheaper to produce).

I've read that "Seinfeld" had really bad ratings at first. I wonder if it would have been given a chance at all nowdays?
 
cataddict said:
ITA about the big holes. I can't remember which episode it was (I watched the 3 2-hour shows yesterday when the weather was too crappy to leave the house) but there seemed to be a big jump from Echo on the loose to her hooking up with Ballard as her "trainer" in preparation to return to the Dollhouse.
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That was right when the double episodes started.
It threw me off as well.
How did it go from "Echo is out of the Dollhouse" to "Echo and Ballard have been together for 3 months, and he's training her to take down the Dollhouse"? That was quite a leap.

And this latest plot hole (Echo is back in the house to the house head knows what Echo can do) was also at the beggining of a 2-hour block.

I wonder if there are episodes out there already made up, but that aren't being shown?

Or if these final 8 or so episodes are being cut and pasted a bit from footage from 16 episodes?
 
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