Anyone Have a Friend Like This?

sparrow13

Cathlete
I have this friend who never initiates doing anything. We email all the time and when we get together for lunch - always on my suggestion - we have a great time. I know I'm not imagining that. We laugh like crazy; she's one of those friends I can be really silly with and it's OK. So I don't understand why she *never* suggests lunch or says "drive in on Friday (we live an hour apart) and let's have dinner and a movie or why don't you guys come for dinner." When I worked with her we had dinner a couple of times with our DHs and THEY too hit it off, so I know it's not one of those "our spouses hate each other" thing. She tells me what's going on in her life so I also know that she does do things with other people and invites them over for dinner or what have you. I'm completely perplexed.

Someone else please tell me they have a friend like this!! The friend thing has never been easy for me (this woman is the ONLY friend I have made since leaving NYC eight years ago) and I am about to develop a huge complex over it.

Sparrow
 
Sparrow, it's funny, but we have a couple who we initiate everything with, and another couple who does all the initiating. We dearly love both of them. I figure it's just a matter of personality, calendars, and the pull of the moon...
 
Sparrow:

I had a friend like this, we are not in contact anymore.

I used to arrange to get together with her, I would go to her place, we always had fun, we were both grad students at Penn State, PA. When she left and went to Rutgers, via a year at home in Spain first, I kept us going with regular letters --I always wrote more than she did--, nice tasteful cards, hand picked birthday and Xmas presents, and when she came back to Rutgers, I dragged my DH and baby daughter to stay with her and her boyfriend for the weekend, when she was pregnant. After that, the last time I saw her was when they came to stay with us "for the weekend." they arrived late on the Friday evening, got up really early on Sat morning, went out around town before we got up and by the time they came back to our house, they said "it was getting late" and they had to leave. So, I got to spend about 1 hour talking intimately with my friend.

After that, my last contact with her was a one line email wishing me a happy birthday, after I had again sent her a lovely card and present for her birthday.

Thing I don't get is, when we were both at Penn State together she used to talk about how special our friendship was and how I had opened her eyes to her condition as a woman in this patriarchal world. Well.

I never bothered trying to contact her again, after all, repeated verbal insistences upon how special our friendship was, in the absence of manifestations of how she truly appreciated our friendship, were worse than useless.

Friendship is friendship and it takes both parties to keep it alive. If it's always you putting forth the effort, you have to consider who truly values the relationship and who doesn't. Personally, I'm a cut and dried, black and white person: I like you, or I never bother with you again. If you can''t meet me halfway, well, I have too much self respect to waste my life chasing you down to make you give me more.

I'm like you Sparrow. Since leaving grad school I have only managed to make one true friend. I'd love more friends! I spent my childhood desperately inviting people over, always dropping by at their house to see if X could come out and play. It used to upset me as a kid that it was always so one sided, and my own daughters have complained of this happening to them too. I just say, the people whose friendship is worth the trouble will be the people who put forth the same effort and concern about the friendship as you do. But, it is upsetting to learn that this isn't always the case. In any relationship there is a power imbalance. It happens between men and women, and between friends of the same gender. Power imbalances permeate us at all strata of society, in every relationship we have.

So, you are not alone in your feelings and your ruminations.

What should you do about your friend? You might have to accept that she is never going to change. She may appreciate your friendship, but in the scheme of things in her own life, perhaps your friendship takes a back seat to other things. Or maybe the particular imbalance of power in your relationship with her is exactly this: you will always do the calling and the driving and the suggesting and arranging. If you don't, things may never happen at all. She may see already that since you can be relied upon to make sure she and you get together, there's no need for her to do anything: why change the status quo? You could always try and shake her up a bit either by not arranging a next meeting and waiting for her to grab the initiative, or by having the conversation with her in which you confront this issue.

What will you do?

But, I believe instances of this type of power imbalance are known the world over.

Clare
 
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Me too

My BFF from college (over 20 years now) is the same way... come to think of it most of my "friends" and co-workers don't email, call or suggest anything unless I do the email/call/suggest a get together! you are not alone... :eek: She is a SAHM with 3 kids (2 in school) and says she is SO busy all the time... and I guess I can not relate to why it takes so much energy and time to make a quick phonecall once in awhile, but she never does unless she is returning my calls...

There has been many months that my BFF and I go between even speaking (I haven't spoken to her since they came to my wedding this past May), but when we do talk or get together (she is 4 hours away) we have a ball and LAUGH like there is no tomorrow! BUT I do know that if I ever needed her she would drop everything and be right there for me and me for her.

Actually I get tired of always doing the initiating. Consequentially I spend a lot of time at home with DH and furbaby! I make hints (that the phonelines and email work both ways) but to no avail! I quit taking it personal a LONG time ago... I'm not a social butterfly or a night owl, so spending time at home is just fine by me, but it would be nice for someone else to suggest SOMETHING!

I just look at it this way... the less time I am out, the more time I can spend on the Cathe Forum!:p
 
Sparrow- I'm concerned you're willing to develop a complex over something that might not deserve to be such a powerful force in your friendship!

I was a lot more conscious of who was doing what in my few friendships before I met my husband. He's a very accepting and laid-back man but he rarely talks to or sees his closest friends (but when he does it is most often at his own suggestion). Seems so strange to me! DH kept assuring me that when he and his friends got together, they just had a good time and it didn't matter who called the meeting. He's right, and it was interesting to observe!

So what if I'm the one in my frienships who always calls-- so long as my friends know they CAN call me. For me that is what is important. I'd rather have their friendship than be the one who counts how many times I've dialed the phone!
 
Are you talking about ME? Seriously, I think I AM that friend. Does your friend work weird hours, or have weird off days, or is she just so overworked she doesn't have the energy to do much of anything that involves planning (which is pretty much everything)? I used to be really bad that way but I'm gradually snapping out of it. I (still) actually kind of panic when friends/co-workers suggest doing things because I doubt I can motivate my butt out of bed earlier to be there... I often look at my co-workers who do all sorts of things when they aren't at work and think 'How?', like it's some big mystery. Again, I'm working on it. I have to force myself to get up and work out. I used to roll over and go "Whatever..." and it shows. Now I make myself get up and get my gear on. Then I HAVE to do it.
 
I'm going through this right now! And I agree, sooooo aggravating! Like you, my friend and I get along GREAT. I can act goofy around her. I can totally be myself. Let my hair down, so to speak. She and I got together for a playdate with our kids on Aug 13 and up until 2 weeks ago we had no contact. I refused to call her! Sounds petty, but I was sick and tired of being the initiator (spelling?) so I thought I would just sit back and see if she called me, and you know what?, she never did. So finally, a couple weeks ago, I gave in and called her. And now we're set to get together this weekend.

I don't understand. I really don't. Especially when we're such "good" friends. Why do some people initiate and some people don't? If anyone else has any thoughts on this issue, please share -- I would like answers as well!

What's even more funny is my SIL also does this to me. I have two SIL's. One who I don't get along with too well and one that I consider a close friend. The close friend SIL also DOES NOT initiate. She lives out of state so it's always me calling her. Always me e-mailing her. Always me asking her to send pictures of her kids. And on and on and on.

GRRR. :p
 
Boy, my DH is you and I'm your friend. It's not that I don't want to get together with people - I love to! But, I get home from work and cooking dinner, etc, and I'm exhausted. I don't think to call people to chat. If someone calls me, I'm all for talking, though. Invite me somewhere, and I'll most likely go, happily and have a great time. But, I might not be the one to initiate it. Believe me, I'm thrilled you are. I'm getting better (with an extremely social DH, I don't have a lot of choice), but I'll never be a big initializer. It's just not me. What's funny, is that were you to meet me you wouldn't think that - I do enjoy people and like being in the midst of things. I guess I'm just strange. But don't give up on your friend and don't think she doesn't enjoy your company - she wouldn't get together with you at all, if she didn't. She may just be more like me.
 
Sparrow, I have friends like this and I am also a friend like that to some people. So, I think it is the nature of some relationships. It seems like she enjoys your company too. It sounds like she doesn't avoid you, and she doesn't say "no" to your invitations. Focus on the joy the relationship brings you and nuture that.

I can tell you that one reason I don't initiate things is I don't often have things to say or things to do that seem worthy of people joining me....but I like doing things. I go with the flow and enjoy tagging along.

This thread has opened my eyes that the effort is sometimes more important than the activity. I'm going to try to do better.

Thanks, Lori
 
She may not mean anything negative by because as Christine said, some folks are just like that and it's does not reflect on the friendship in any way.

That being said, my DH's best friend for 15 years ended up being like that and DH eventually got tired of it and stopped initiating anything. They haven't spoken or seen one another in over 3 years now as a result.

To me, that clearly shows that this guy did not value the friendship the way DH did. Not being the one to initiate is fine. I have no problem with that BUT if a friend who used to get in touch with you on a pretty regular basis suddenly stopped all contact for months, I think that's a clear sign something is wrong and a HUGE clue for the other person to pick up the phone, send an email or whatever. Do SOMETHING to reach out to their friend.

The straw that broke the camel's back in my DH's case, is when we sent out a Communion invitation with a picture of DS in it and never got a response back from them. That was it. That's when DH got really mad and cut all communications with this guy.

Now, even today, after all of this time, if this guy would just pick up the freakin' phone ONE time to show interest in re-kindling the friendship, DH would welcome him back into his life as if none of this had ever happened.

So what's my point? LOL I guess it's that you have to make a choice. You can either accept the friendship for what it is or back off and see what happens. If you choose the latter though, be prepared for the possibility that you may never hear from her again...
 
I'm with the other posters who say that they are THAT friend. There are times when I want to hang out with people and times when I'm just to darn busy. Caring for a mother in law with terminal cancer, a autistic son, a lively 6 year old girl with a heck of a lot of spunk, a husband who I refer to as my thrid child, . . part time work from home, cleaning, cooking, , . .and of course excersizing. To the people who feel offended because friendship is a two way streak try to understand that there are things you don't know about what goes on in our lives and that when it comes to the decision of should I call a friend or take care of myself and my family, . . . self and family will always win. I think your friend is lucky to have you but try to be patient and not take it personally, . .because it isn't personal. I know a lot of Mom's at my kids school that probably think I'm a total butt face because I don't hang out with them all the time and go on play dates, . .but you know what I sleep just fine at night knowing my family is well taken care of. When I have my free time, . . I'm out running or working out with Cathe . .which none of them do, . .they prefer to socially drink (which I don't do) and eat candy bars. It is soooo hard to find that one friend who likes and does everything you do. Then I'd be able to go to church with that person, go running with that person, etc. It would be even more perfect if that person had kids the exact same age as mine but in all my seaching it just hasn't been found.
 
I have a friend like this. Well kind of I guess...

We used to work together and never got along. Then we got laid off and a few months later she asked me to meet her for a drinks and dinner and we had a blast.

5 years later: we never talk on the phone even though we have each others home, work and cell #'s. And only email each other to suggest meeting for dinner or the occasional joke or comment. But when we go out it's like we are best friends.


Weird...but in a good way, I guess.
 
I have a friend who is a SAHM with 2 kids and always says she is so incredibly BUSY. I do all the calling etc. and I've slowed down recently because I've become resentful. Does she call now or has she invited me anywhere....nope. I've always driven to her area or house since she has kids (and I do not) but still it is frustrating because I try to plan months in advance and still half the time I can't nail down a date with her. Is motherhood REALLY this busy? Guess I'll find out one day so I let her slide on that fact. I hear ya though...its very frustrating. This is a best friend from childhood too so we have a LONG friendship.
 
Clare, thank you so much for your thoughtful response! I'm sorry you have gone through this too.

Sparrow:

Friendship is friendship and it takes both parties to keep it alive.

I agree, and in the past have let time lapse without contacting her, figuring she wasn't that interested in our friendship. She always get back in touch with me - usually within a couple of weeks - with nice long emails and "stay in touch" comments. We were emailing today and I made a joke about running off to India (I've been studying Buddhism) and she wrote back saying, "don't you dare! Who would I laugh with?" That's what's so bizarre about it; I can tell she really enjoys my company. She just doesn't take the initiative.

I'm like you Sparrow. Since leaving grad school I have only managed to make one true friend. I'd love more friends! I spent my childhood desperately inviting people over, always dropping by at their house to see if X could come out and play. It used to upset me as a kid that it was always so one sided, and my own daughters have complained of this happening to them too. I just say, the people whose friendship is worth the trouble will be the people who put forth the same effort and concern about the friendship as you do. But, it is upsetting to learn that this isn't always the case.

Ugh, yes, I remember those days from my childhood as well. I had the experience of having several friends just stop calling or coming over or talking to me in school. To this day I have no idea why. Very odd. My nephew is going through this now. It's difficult to know what to say to make him feel better, so I just try to let him know that I understand what he is feeling and that I have been there too. It seems to help.


What will you do?
Clare

Well, with her I think I am going to let it go. Not the friendship, but the expectation of how it should be. I'm going to email her and call her when I feel like it but not suggest any additional lunches or dinners at this point. And, I am also going to be more proactive on my end. I've decided to join the local knitting group, and am looking for a class to take. Get out and meet more people and I won't feel the need to pin everything on this friendship.

Thanks again for your thoughts. :)
 
Actually I get tired of always doing the initiating. Consequentially I spend a lot of time at home with DH and furbaby! I make hints (that the phonelines and email work both ways) but to no avail! I quit taking it personal a LONG time ago... I'm not a social butterfly or a night owl, so spending time at home is just fine by me, but it would be nice for someone else to suggest SOMETHING!

I just look at it this way... the less time I am out, the more time I can spend on the Cathe Forum!:p

So true! Who needs flesh and blood peeps when we have the Cathe board? :D

Sparrow
 
Sparrow- I'm concerned you're willing to develop a complex over something that might not deserve to be such a powerful force in your friendship!

I was a lot more conscious of who was doing what in my few friendships before I met my husband. He's a very accepting and laid-back man but he rarely talks to or sees his closest friends (but when he does it is most often at his own suggestion). Seems so strange to me! DH kept assuring me that when he and his friends got together, they just had a good time and it didn't matter who called the meeting. He's right, and it was interesting to observe!

So what if I'm the one in my frienships who always calls-- so long as my friends know they CAN call me. For me that is what is important. I'd rather have their friendship than be the one who counts how many times I've dialed the phone!

Amy this is a great point and something for me to ponder. Perhaps it just doesn't matter who does what. Maybe the important thing is the positive energy we have when we *are* together and are cracking-up and being silly. Definitely something to think about, thank you!
 
Hi everyone,
Can someone explain why one would not just bring up the issue with the friend in question? It seems like some of the examples mentioned in this thread are about "close" friends. If you are close friends then shouldn't you be able to talk to him/her about anything?

Maybe they are unaware that there is a problem or have no clue that you are confused by their behaviour. Just stopping all communication won't solve anything. If anything you will still be thinking about why they behave the way they do while they continue to do what they have always done.

The people i consider my close friends are the ones i can say anything to. If they upset me or hurt my feelings (or vice versa) we tell each other and then move on. I think it's kind of strange when friends don't communicate their feelings. Unless you are friends with mindreaders how are they supposed to know what you are feeling or bothered about?

With everyone being so busy it's hard to stay in touch and see your close firends often. If you have a good time together and they seem happy to hear from you who cares who initiated the get together? I say if it really bothers you that much, say something.

Elle
 
Sparrow,

One of my closest friends has become like this, whereas before, each of us initiated get-togethers, phone calls, & emails about equally. So, I can definitely understand why you were feeling like you might be getting a complex about it.

I am one who believes in the friendship-works-both-ways, give-and-take concept. Really, everyone's busy, and whether you have kids or not, IMO, you have to make SOME effort to stay in touch w/ the people you care about. I am typically an initiator (some friends jokingly call me Julie the Cruise Director), but over the years, I've decided I WON'T assume sole responsibility for keeping a friendship going. I just don't think that's fair. It's taken me awhile and some hurt feelings, but I can now adjust my expectations and not take it personally. Doesn't mean I cut off the friend completely; I just decrease my efforts and accept the level of friendship for what it is.

If she were turning down your invites or blowing off your emails, then I would say it's cause for concern. But I think, in your case, your friend clearly & genuinely enjoys your company, and she does make an effort through those long emails.

I would maybe drop some hints in a light-hearted manner. "Next get-together, it's your turn" or something like that. And if she still doesn't initiate, then I would talk to her, as Elle suggested. She may just be deferring to you to make the plans, for some reason. As in, maybe she thinks your schedule is busier or she simply views you as the "leader," so-to-speak. You never know.
 

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