Any Professional / Semi or Ameture Photographers in HERE??

pebblesus

Cathlete
So Im buying a digital camera this weekend (my first!). Im looking for advice on the best one to get. Unfortunatly my budget is only about $150 +/-.
Id like high res so that I can photoshop the heck out of the images.. is this even possible with a camera at that price range?
My main purpose is to act as my own photographer for model shoots, capture the best images and COLORS and then have a high enough resolution to get very advanced with photoshop.
Unfortunatly, I also don't know much about them.. I've tried doing research and it's not easy to find what im looking for the way of info on the things :T
If there is anyone out there that's advanced into photography and can tell me what im looking for in a camera and can maybe point me in the right direction that would be great!!
 
Not to be a downer, but I honestly don't think your going to get a professional/amature type camera for under $1000.

Last year I got a Nikkon D40 for around $1000. We did a ton of research & saved for a real long time. I never regret that purchase. LOVE it.

Consumer Reports has a wealth of information on cameras, you may want to check them out first.

Good Luck!

~Melanie~

Jadon born 11/23/05
Justin born 1/17/04
Jory born 4/9/94
 
I agree that you are going to have a next to impossible time finding what you want for your budget. You can get digital point-and-shoots for around $150 in the 3-4 mp range, (they're harder to find though, most manufacturers are constantly increasing their resolution and keeping cameras at the same price, rather than lowering their prices, and there aren't too many cameras in this range that haven't been discontinued)

However, based on what you want to do, I don't think you'll be happy with a point-and-shoot at all. Because of the tiny size of the lens and sensor on these types of cameras, there is a limit on the image quality you can get out of them. Once you get past about 5 or 6 mp, you end up with so much noise reduction and other image enhancing going on in the camera to offset the limitations of teeny-tiny photosites, that your larger image is barely any different from the quality you'd get upsampling a smaller file from a lower resolution camera (provided that camera is from a good manufacturer and has decent image quality itself)

In addition to these image quality/ resolution concerns, the physical size of both the lens and sensor in a p-and-s also pretty much guarantees that you're never going to get the kind of separation between your foreground and background that you can get easily with an SLR.

Unfortunately again, DSLR's are much more expensive, the cheapest being probably in the $600-$1000 range.

If you are already an experienced photographer who just wants to go digital, one thing you could consider is buying a used body. These are still going to run you more than $150, but not as much more. If you already have lenses for a film SLR, they will most likely work on a digital body from the same manufacturer (one notable exception being pre-EF lenses from Canon) Many reputable photo supply stores like B and H Photo Video, Adorama, and many others sell used equipment with accurate assessments of it's wear level. You can also look for photo forums which often have a buy-and-sell board. Most new DSLR's on the market today are in the 8-10-12 mp range, which is great, but also not at all necessary to get good results. Beyond 4 or 5 mp, good exposure and composition are much more important than resolution. A skilled photographer with a 6 mp camera and a decent lens will outshine a rich amateur relying on his $8,000 16 mp Canon EOS 1Ds Mark II any day of the year.

Alternatively, you can buy a scanner with the ability to scan negatives (much much much better than scanning prints!) for around $150, and then take those into photoshop. The instant gratification of digital can be very nice, and also a good teaching aid, but when it comes right down to it the technique is the same, whicever medium you're using. If your budget is really tight, you may be better off waiting until you can afford the camera you want than being frustrated.

If all this is way over your head and you're just looking to start taking photos, why not buy an introductory Kodak or Samsung p-and-s with as much resolution as you can afford (I THINK both of those mfr's have cameras in the $150-$200 range) and just practice taking photos and using photoshop? you can have fun composing shots and getting instant feedback and meanwhile be saving up for a DSLR down the road. If you want to be able to learn more about lighting etc., the Canon A series cameras have a decent number of manual controls, and their G series have even more (though for a G-series you'll definitely have to go used to stay within your budget)

i know this is a really long winded reply but I hope it helps.
 
What Audryb said. Pretty much all digital cameras these days have a fairly high resolution - so even with a low-end PAS, you should be able to do plenty of photoshopping on them. But a PAS is probably not going to give you the type of photographs you want for model shoots. PAS cameras have a notoriously huge depth-of-field, so you never get background/foreground blurring, which means your subject never really stands out. However, if you have the patience, you can sort of achieve this effect (blurred background) in Photoshop. So there is a workaround if you can't afford an SLR. I do like the suggestion to look into buying a used SLR camera body. But then you'd still need to buy lenses, and those often cost more than the bodies.
 
Ok, so yeah, a lot of that WAS over my head lol. Im not an actual photographer. I work with them at times for photoshoots (Im a hairstylist and makeup artist), but I want the digital for in salon and other spur of the moment times when I want to document my work but can't put together a fancy shoot.
The ONLY thing im really concerned about is getting a good enough image that the expert im working with can photoshop it into whatever I want it to be, but didn't have the time, funds, props etc to get.

For example, Im putting together some pinup style shoots. I don't want to actually have to find a beautifully restored classic chevy and take it to the middle of the dessert for my model to stand in front of (I live in the north east!), so I would like to be able to take the right image and place it over that backdrop.
Additionally I like to be able to tweak colors and give the skin a real polished, almost animated glow to it that would probably take a lot of spraypainting otherwise (if you're familiar at all with the Rockabilly and Pinup girls styles these days you know the kind of effects Im talking).
If I do a dark, gothic shoot I know that I can use photoshop to make an area look haunted, or make skin look old and zombie-like, but I need the image to be goo enough (so ive heard).

Is any of this possible with your average digital? Ive been told that the images have to be very high res, but I don't know how high and if it's even possible with an automatic camera .. I took photoshop back in HS, but I don't want to try getting into manually adjusting f-sops and whatnot, I don't feel comfortable with it and Id rather get a profesisonal when I can.
I just want images good enough to make look nice and fancy enough for my website, even if I took them at work or up against a painted wall in my apartment, and even if its just brightening or changing a few colors or a backdrop color.
Is this possible?? (man I feel so stupid not knowing any of this stuff lol!)
 
How large are you going to want to print these pictures? That will ultimately determine what kind of resolution you need. You can Photoshop a picture of ANY resolution - it doesn't have to be ultra-high res in order to change the background or airbrush the models' faces. If all you're going to do is put these photos on a website, or have small (8x10 or less) prints made, then you don't need ultra-high res.

So yeah, you could use a point-and-shoot camera to do what you're talking about. The lighting of your subject may not correlate very well with the apparent lighting of the background you insert (especially if you use the camera's built-in flash - VERY harsh and direct light that is not flattering at all). But some clever Photoshopping could make it less noticeable.

For point-and-shoot cameras (and SLR cameras as well), you really can't go wrong with Canon or Nikon. They both make cameras in the $150 range, I believe.
 
>I have the Canon EOS Digital Rebel XTi and I absolutely love
>it!!!

I love mine too! Unfortunately for the OP, it can't be bought for $150.
 
RE: Any Professional / Semi or Ameture Photographers in...

I am strictly an amateur. I use a Canon G9 as my point and shoot and a Nikon D200 (my husband uses a Nikon D300) for regular shots (the lenses are really the most expensive part of the hobby!). I would suggest the Canon G9 (great reviews, easy to use and you really don't need to buy different lenses), but that would be run around $500. I would even suggest the G7 but that still would be around $400. As you can see from this blog for a point and shoot they can take high quality shots:

http://www.mycanong7.com/index.html

A really good forum to ask your question would be dpreview.com under "discussions" then "beginners questions." They would steer you in the right direction for your price range. Honestly, I'm not sure what kind of image quality you will be able to get with that price range, but they are the experts and I have learned quite a lot just by reading the forums.:)

Happy picture taking!!
 

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