What's worse than the "octo-mom"?
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earlyexerciser39
Cathlete
I know! A 13 year old? Just sad...
I saw a picture posted of the octomom getting a manicure this week. Seriously? Babies at home and babies in the hospital and you are getting a manicure? It's just sad to me
Jenn
I saw a picture posted of the octomom getting a manicure this week. Seriously? Babies at home and babies in the hospital and you are getting a manicure? It's just sad to me
Jenn
Aquajock
Cathlete
In my book, that Austrian man who imprisoned, repeatedly raped and impregnated his own daughter over many, many years, then imprisoning his own offspring with her in the bowels of his own home, all the while telling his wife she'd run away. Then, when this was exposed and he was arrested and jailed, he had the stones to complain that confinement was just too . . . confining. Poor guy wasn't getting enough exercise.
A-Jock
A-Jock
Runcrazy
Cathlete
I read this yesterday while eating my lunch and was STUNNED! That boy must have really had raging hormones. The boys I knew at that age were still hitting girls to get their attention! I wonder how his and the girls parents are coping with this!
I'm floored!
Jo
Runcrazy
Cathlete
This was the most despicable story ever. It is still unfathomable to think that went on for all those years and no one knew. I just can't believe it!
Heh heh...his confining comment was over the top!
Jo
I saw this boy on tv and it was incredibly sad. He looked like a 10 year who should be playing little league. What really struck me was how although there was only a two year age difference between him and the girl, physically he truly looked like a 10 year old and she more like a 16-17, she appeared to look like his baby sitter.
Octo-mom, ugh! I quit having my hair professionally colored and now do it myself to save money. Yet here is this parasite getting a manicure on the taxpayers!
Octo-mom, ugh! I quit having my hair professionally colored and now do it myself to save money. Yet here is this parasite getting a manicure on the taxpayers!
hiitdogs
Cathlete
Wow, that's my DS's age That is just awful!
I couldn't care less about the octo-mom's manicure. Good for her, maybe she had a nice friend who gave it to her. My friends gave me gift certificates for a massage, facial, pedicure, etc. instead of baby stuff at my baby shower. I thought that was a great idea and very relaxing to get some time away from the 24/7 daily grind.
That is just awful! I couldn't care less about the octo-mom's manicure. Good for her, maybe she had a nice friend who gave it to her. My friends gave me gift certificates for a massage, facial, pedicure, etc. instead of baby stuff at my baby shower. I thought that was a great idea and very relaxing to get some time away from the 24/7 daily grind.
gidget1978
Cathlete
I think that happened around here a few yrs ago, but it was the reverse. I think the girl was 13 and the guy was 14 or 15...come to think of it, I think his father works here or step father! It is very sad b/c you are tied to people that you don't even know and probably won't get along with for the rest of your life.
No doubt it was raging hormones and kids thinking they are older then they actually are BUT nothing bits the Octo-mom. I think she is just distrurbed and these poor kids are going to have to pay the price for her descisions. She can't support these kids and now she is asking for money? Does she not think that we would be suspicious about her using the money for esthetics and not actually to feed these kids? She is nothing but a liar. I am confused anyway! I was a single mother just making ends meet and there was no way I could have saved enough money for invitro,botox or a nose job...I just don't get! Where does the money come from?
Lori
or step father! It is very sad b/c you are tied to people that you don't even know and probably won't get along with for the rest of your life.No doubt it was raging hormones and kids thinking they are older then they actually are BUT nothing bits the Octo-mom. I think she is just distrurbed and these poor kids are going to have to pay the price for her descisions. She can't support these kids and now she is asking for money? Does she not think that we would be suspicious about her using the money for esthetics and not actually to feed these kids? She is nothing but a liar. I am confused anyway! I was a single mother just making ends meet and there was no way I could have saved enough money for invitro,botox or a nose job...I just don't get! Where does the money come from?
Lori
While we may all have different definitions of what the daily grind is, someone who has had much cosmetic surgery, can afford in vitro, has lived with parents and did not in any way contribute to the household finances per her own mothers words and has even been able to obtain a certain amount of education is not someone who really has endured what most people would call the daily grind or even much of life's hardships.
Far to many couples who both work and can't have kids and can't afford in vitro. Many others who have far less kids, and don't have the luxury of getting and education or plastic surgery. Single mothers who work more than one job and can't afford to get their nails done. Those very long bright red manicured nails really help her hold those preemies better and certainly make diaper changing easier! It sure would be great to squirt out that many babies, sit on my fat a$$ and collect welfare, not pay rent or utilities b/c I am sponging of my parents, live in a fantasy world where I am striving to look like Angelina with cosmetic surgery, get national TV coverage as I await a book deal and lie about it all, and wait for the church that I claim to belong to come in and provide me with a large house and the other necessities that they offered and then said church publicly stated they had no involvement with me! Yeah, she really has suffered the grind and hardships of daily life. She needs to be sterilized. For those bleeding hearts who sympathize with her and feel it is her right and are championing her cause, that is great. Put your money were your mouth is and cough up your paycheck and hand it over to her.
Booboo
Booboo
Far to many couples who both work and can't have kids and can't afford in vitro. Many others who have far less kids, and don't have the luxury of getting and education or plastic surgery. Single mothers who work more than one job and can't afford to get their nails done. Those very long bright red manicured nails really help her hold those preemies better and certainly make diaper changing easier! It sure would be great to squirt out that many babies, sit on my fat a$$ and collect welfare, not pay rent or utilities b/c I am sponging of my parents, live in a fantasy world where I am striving to look like Angelina with cosmetic surgery, get national TV coverage as I await a book deal and lie about it all, and wait for the church that I claim to belong to come in and provide me with a large house and the other necessities that they offered and then said church publicly stated they had no involvement with me! Yeah, she really has suffered the grind and hardships of daily life. She needs to be sterilized. For those bleeding hearts who sympathize with her and feel it is her right and are championing her cause, that is great. Put your money were your mouth is and cough up your paycheck and hand it over to her.
Booboo
Booboo
MCunningham
Cathlete
I'm with you, Booboo!
I'd really like 10 minutes alone in a room with that woman.
I'd really like 10 minutes alone in a room with that woman.
mabdoo
Cathlete
Here is what gets me. I stopped having kids because I can't afford anymore if I want to send the 2 I have to college and take them on a trip or two in their lifetime. Also, mine are a handful because they are so close together. But why should I have to pay for other people's kids? I do feel bad for the kids born in poverty but I still don't want to pay for them. I got nothing but a pay cut when we had our kids because I stopped working for a while, as did many mothers here.
I saw the boy who had the baby with the young girl. Unbelievable.
I saw the boy who had the baby with the young girl. Unbelievable.
pixiesis
Cathlete
I agree that the octo mom is wacko, and taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for her crazy decisions. However, those babies are here now and it's not their fault that their mom is a nut. It would be a shame for them to suffer even more than they already have because of all the anger against their mom.
Also, if we don't want to support poor children, then as a nation we should be pro-birth control eduation and pro-choice. Anti-abortion doesn't make sense if we are also against supporting and insuring children born into poverty.
As for the little boy father, I too was stunned by it, especially by the pictures of the little guy. He looks like he hasn't even hit puberty. And Kathryn, you are right--the story I read confirmed that the baby was conceived when he was only 12! Absolutely shocking.
Amy
Also, if we don't want to support poor children, then as a nation we should be pro-birth control eduation and pro-choice. Anti-abortion doesn't make sense if we are also against supporting and insuring children born into poverty.
As for the little boy father, I too was stunned by it, especially by the pictures of the little guy. He looks like he hasn't even hit puberty. And Kathryn, you are right--the story I read confirmed that the baby was conceived when he was only 12! Absolutely shocking.
Amy
hiitdogs
Cathlete
Boy, you got some anger issues!
I am putting my money where my mouth is. You don't have the faintest idea what I do in my life. And until you know that I suggest you don't make unqualified remarks about what I do with my money and my life.
mabdoo
Cathlete
Amy I agree with you 100% that it is not the babies' fault. I am kind of irritated that many of the companies that support other multiples with diapers and food are not supporting them because it is not their fault at all but I am still tired of paying for them. I had to be responsible enough to know how many kids I can afford.
In our area there are a lot of women who are unwed and abusing the system and there is nothing we can do about it other than make having another child an unattractive option (i.e. no increase in assistance) but then the child suffers.
One thing I do not understand about assistance for children is why the parents get food stamps or WIC AND then the schools have to feed the kids breakfast and lunch. The parents are then only responsible for dinner but have money for all 3 meals!?!
In our area there are a lot of women who are unwed and abusing the system and there is nothing we can do about it other than make having another child an unattractive option (i.e. no increase in assistance) but then the child suffers.
One thing I do not understand about assistance for children is why the parents get food stamps or WIC AND then the schools have to feed the kids breakfast and lunch. The parents are then only responsible for dinner but have money for all 3 meals!?!
Very sadly, I'm not at all surprised by a 13-year-old boy becoming a father. I really think the story is being highlighted simply because he looks so young because, quite honestly, I think there are plenty of 13-year-old parents out there these days. I've been out of high school for 25 years, and one of my good friends back then got pregnant at 15, and, unfortunately, she wasn't alone in our school. I don't know why I would think it would be different today or why the age of 'experience' wouldn't have gone down to the 12-13 range.
As far as whether this is better/worse than Octo-Mom, I will say that I think there is tremendous societal influence on teens when it comes to sex. I am very liberal in my movie/TV viewing, and don't mind if there is cussing or sex on my TV shows and such. But I'm still a little surprised that some words aren't allowed on TV when teens in sexual relations are so openly--and positively--illustrated. I'm watching older episodes of Nip/Tuck right now (Season 1), and just yesterday watched an episode that featured a 16-year-old boy in bed with two teen girls. And as much as I like to consider myself open-minded, I have to wonder why anybody thought that would be a necessary storyline to portray on that show. Maybe that question will be answered in later episodes, but I suppose I will always wonder if there aren't aren't ways of appealing to teen viewers that don't involve sex.
Anyhow, there are so many images and so much openness to teen sex these days--and, again, many portrayed without any negativity attached--that it is hardly surprising to me that teens are having sex at the ages they are having sex. Not showing teens having sex on TV isn't, of course, going to change the reality of teens having sex, but I do think it acts as a form of positive reinforcement these day. And, for me, the increasingly positive portrayal of teen sexual relations (in other words, rarely showing the pregnancies or the STDS or even the notion that it is illegal) helps me understand why teens are in some of the situations (like pregnancy, having STDs, etc) they are.
So while I think it is incredibly sad that two young teenagers have a child, I fully understand what probably led that young boy there (his own hormones plus plenty of reinforcing images).
Octo-Mom is in a completely different category. While it could be argued that she is just an extreme member of our increasing 'I want what I want when I want it' society, the difference between buying a house (as an example) you can't afford and having 14 children you can't afford is huge. Furthermore, after having six children, she should have known--and I believe did know--the consequences of her actions but went ahead with her plan to have more for purely selfish reasons. That 13-year-old boy was acting on hormones, bad judgement and probably some influence. The result was a child--something I would wager he wasn't expecting when he committed the act.
This 33 year-old-woman very deliberately brought 14 children into the world, not as a result of hormones or positive societal influences, but simply to appease her own incredible selfishness (as portrayed on the Dateline interview last week, in my opinion). She may have been surprised by eight babies this last time, but to act in such a way for even one child would be every bit as wrong. The fact that there are eight babies and 14 children just makes it that much worse.
As far as whether this is better/worse than Octo-Mom, I will say that I think there is tremendous societal influence on teens when it comes to sex. I am very liberal in my movie/TV viewing, and don't mind if there is cussing or sex on my TV shows and such. But I'm still a little surprised that some words aren't allowed on TV when teens in sexual relations are so openly--and positively--illustrated. I'm watching older episodes of Nip/Tuck right now (Season 1), and just yesterday watched an episode that featured a 16-year-old boy in bed with two teen girls. And as much as I like to consider myself open-minded, I have to wonder why anybody thought that would be a necessary storyline to portray on that show. Maybe that question will be answered in later episodes, but I suppose I will always wonder if there aren't aren't ways of appealing to teen viewers that don't involve sex.
Anyhow, there are so many images and so much openness to teen sex these days--and, again, many portrayed without any negativity attached--that it is hardly surprising to me that teens are having sex at the ages they are having sex. Not showing teens having sex on TV isn't, of course, going to change the reality of teens having sex, but I do think it acts as a form of positive reinforcement these day. And, for me, the increasingly positive portrayal of teen sexual relations (in other words, rarely showing the pregnancies or the STDS or even the notion that it is illegal) helps me understand why teens are in some of the situations (like pregnancy, having STDs, etc) they are.
So while I think it is incredibly sad that two young teenagers have a child, I fully understand what probably led that young boy there (his own hormones plus plenty of reinforcing images).
Octo-Mom is in a completely different category. While it could be argued that she is just an extreme member of our increasing 'I want what I want when I want it' society, the difference between buying a house (as an example) you can't afford and having 14 children you can't afford is huge. Furthermore, after having six children, she should have known--and I believe did know--the consequences of her actions but went ahead with her plan to have more for purely selfish reasons. That 13-year-old boy was acting on hormones, bad judgement and probably some influence. The result was a child--something I would wager he wasn't expecting when he committed the act.
This 33 year-old-woman very deliberately brought 14 children into the world, not as a result of hormones or positive societal influences, but simply to appease her own incredible selfishness (as portrayed on the Dateline interview last week, in my opinion). She may have been surprised by eight babies this last time, but to act in such a way for even one child would be every bit as wrong. The fact that there are eight babies and 14 children just makes it that much worse.
Too funny, you sure love to stir the pot. And please keep contributing to Octo Mom, she will need to get her lips re-plumped in 6 months.
hiitdogs
Cathlete
I am not sure that there is so much openness about teen sex. I think the problem lies more in people not wanting to talk to their kids about sex and birth control, not wanting their kids exposed to any of that or even don't know how to talk to their kids about it. Even if the parents try to shield their kids, unfortunately that results in kids with raging hormones and not knowing enough about the dangers of pregnancy and STDs.
Many parents won't even agree to let their kids attend classes in school which specifically talk about those subjects. Whereas I think it is a noble goal to teach kids abstinence, reality is that most of the kids won't obide by that. And whereas I don't want my kids to enter into anything prematurely, I prefer that they know what problems could result from that and protect themselves accordingly. That however, I can only ensure by talking to them.
I feel awful for those two kids, to be parents at 13 and 15 years is quite a challenge, to say the least. They are still kids and they will have to grow up really fast.