GreenEyedLefty
Cathlete
Sparrow - These types of discussions rarely stay civil in this day and age. Thank you for being so nice! And now I'm off to read more about Hugo Chavez...
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE WW II MOVIE STARS?
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Cathlete
LOL Ok Barbara Streisand out insert Alec Baldwin.
You're right, Streisand would care about freedom from oppression for the Jewish people. Were she obviously does not care about freedom from oppression for Muslim people.
Well I care, that's why I support the Iraqi people and us being over there to help them.
You're right, Streisand would care about freedom from oppression for the Jewish people. Were she obviously does not care about freedom from oppression for Muslim people.
Well I care, that's why I support the Iraqi people and us being over there to help them.
I also find it offensive to state that you are anti-American because you do not agree with the current administration on this war. Sorry, Bill, but they LIED to us, period. Now we are over in Iraq because we are responsible for ruining a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. And if we have to fight, it should be for a "just cause" not a created cause. And please don't go there about Saddim Hussein. Do you know how many unruly dicatators are out there? Starting with North Korea? But I sure don't see us going over there to bomb them out of kingdom come!!! Lastly, this is the USA the last time I checked, and people do have a right to speak their minds, even if it is against the administration and what you believe.
Hopefully the people of this country have woken up and will do the right thing in November.
ETA: And I am a proud veteran who is proud of our troops and what them home safe and sound.
Hopefully the people of this country have woken up and will do the right thing in November.
ETA: And I am a proud veteran who is proud of our troops and what them home safe and sound.
>Sparrow - These types of discussions rarely stay civil in
>this day and age. Thank you for being so nice! And now I'm
>off to read more about Hugo Chavez...
>
>
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming ‘Wow - what a ride!’ — Peter Sage
Lefty,
Right back atcha.
I love a good debate but I'm not hung up on being right. After all, I don't have a red phone to God, and know that I bring my own partisanship and prejudices to a debate.
On that pleasant note, I'm going to bow out of this discussion. If you find anything interesting about Chavez, shoot it this way. I'm still trying to learn more about him
Sparrow
>this day and age. Thank you for being so nice! And now I'm
>off to read more about Hugo Chavez...
>
>
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming ‘Wow - what a ride!’ — Peter Sage
Lefty,
Right back atcha
.I love a good debate but I'm not hung up on being right. After all, I don't have a red phone to God, and know that I bring my own partisanship and prejudices to a debate.
On that pleasant note, I'm going to bow out of this discussion. If you find anything interesting about Chavez, shoot it this way. I'm still trying to learn more about him
Sparrow
nancy324
Cathlete
"So how do you feel the real heroes of the silver screen acted when compared to the hollywonks today who spray out anti-American drivel is they bite the hand that feeds them? Can you imagine these stars of yester-year saying they hate our flag, making anti-war speeches, marching in anti-American parades and saying they hate our president?"
Although I resent the use of the word "Anti-American" in your question, I've been thinking about what I think you meant to say, and not only can I imagine the stars of yesteryear opposing the Iraqi war, but I feel quite confident that the majority of them would, just as the majority of Americans do. Further, I can easily imagine the celebrities of today supporting WWII like everyone else did if they were born earlier. Though opinions were divided at first, after the attack on Pearl Harbor, I believe the percentage of Americans in favor of joining the war rose to over 90%.
-Nancy
Although I resent the use of the word "Anti-American" in your question, I've been thinking about what I think you meant to say, and not only can I imagine the stars of yesteryear opposing the Iraqi war, but I feel quite confident that the majority of them would, just as the majority of Americans do. Further, I can easily imagine the celebrities of today supporting WWII like everyone else did if they were born earlier. Though opinions were divided at first, after the attack on Pearl Harbor, I believe the percentage of Americans in favor of joining the war rose to over 90%.
-Nancy
pink_fortitude
Banned
I think this may be a good post Bill, but I can't get past the red letters on you sig - THEY ARE TRAUMATIZING ME!!!
Just kidding!
I think that anybody who stands up and is willing to risk their lives for the freedom of their own countrymen is remarkably brave, and those that are willing to stand up for the oppressed halfway across the world are my complete heroes and I have no words to describe how I feel that such people exist in this world. I don't have to agree with how things are being done, or disagree, to know that this world is a better place because Sadam Hussein is no longer in power breeding hate and killing his own people by the millions. I can support that effort, and the efforts that are being put into keeping another Sadam from rising. I would like to hear more from what good is coming from this war, and there is a lot of good! The media and liberal entertainers only wants us to hear what is going wrong, and we are supposed to believe war is the wrong way to do it. The Nazis weren't defeated because they surrendered after a long discussion and compromised, they were annihilated by armed forces (go Patton!) and that is the only way it could be done because madness and insanity don't listen to reason. If people are willing to blow themselves up just so that they can kill you or their own countrymen, it is stupidity on our part not to stop them before another 9/11 occurs.
I am grateful that I live in this country, it is the best in the world. I have everything I could ever want I am rich by world standards. I can make the choice to start my own business, live where I want, eat what I want, spend my money the way that I want, pay less taxes than most other countries... I can even bash our president and hold marches outside his own house against him, I even think I will invite Streisand and Clooney!, without worrying about getting tried and convicted of treason and then hung on a noose or shot by a firing squad. How many people can say that about their country?
btw, I love the term "hollywonks!"
Just kidding!
I think that anybody who stands up and is willing to risk their lives for the freedom of their own countrymen is remarkably brave, and those that are willing to stand up for the oppressed halfway across the world are my complete heroes and I have no words to describe how I feel that such people exist in this world. I don't have to agree with how things are being done, or disagree, to know that this world is a better place because Sadam Hussein is no longer in power breeding hate and killing his own people by the millions. I can support that effort, and the efforts that are being put into keeping another Sadam from rising. I would like to hear more from what good is coming from this war, and there is a lot of good! The media and liberal entertainers only wants us to hear what is going wrong, and we are supposed to believe war is the wrong way to do it. The Nazis weren't defeated because they surrendered after a long discussion and compromised, they were annihilated by armed forces (go Patton!) and that is the only way it could be done because madness and insanity don't listen to reason. If people are willing to blow themselves up just so that they can kill you or their own countrymen, it is stupidity on our part not to stop them before another 9/11 occurs.
I am grateful that I live in this country, it is the best in the world. I have everything I could ever want I am rich by world standards. I can make the choice to start my own business, live where I want, eat what I want, spend my money the way that I want, pay less taxes than most other countries... I can even bash our president and hold marches outside his own house against him, I even think I will invite Streisand and Clooney!, without worrying about getting tried and convicted of treason and then hung on a noose or shot by a firing squad. How many people can say that about their country?
btw, I love the term "hollywonks!"
jennifermaria
Cathlete
Wow, Laura, you took the words out of my mouth. Amen, ditto, and much applause!!
Jennifer
Jennifer
Beavs
Cathlete
I'm a bit concerned that ome of us know the views of Hollywood stars. Perhaps its time for us to turn off the TV, stop picking up People mmagazine, stay out of the theater for a bit and spend some time reading some well written, informative books, magazines, or newspapers. Maybe spend some meditating or going for a long walk. I think we'll find it a wonderful stress reliever to turn off the noise and focus on things that matter. Afterall, I can't imagine anyone caring about the trite inconsequential blathering of some boring played out celebrity when there are real issues to consider.
BTW, the I saw this man speak of the effects war has on the soul and I found him very interesting. I look forward to reading his book.
http://www.mentorthesoul.com/
BTW, the I saw this man speak of the effects war has on the soul and I found him very interesting. I look forward to reading his book.
http://www.mentorthesoul.com/
Nothing makes me more angry than when patriotism is
>attacked.
Melissa,
Thank you from the bottom of my heart for your service to our country.
But I must ask... Is stating your opinion about what is best for your country attacking patriotism?
I think those who care enough to disagree are very patriotic... as are those who care enough to fight and go to war. Patriotism is caring about America, and wanting what's best, even if it means disagreeing with the politicians in power. After all, that is how we became the country we are today.
>attacked.
Melissa,
Thank you from the bottom of my heart for your service to our country.
But I must ask... Is stating your opinion about what is best for your country attacking patriotism?
I think those who care enough to disagree are very patriotic... as are those who care enough to fight and go to war. Patriotism is caring about America, and wanting what's best, even if it means disagreeing with the politicians in power. After all, that is how we became the country we are today.
marnold
Cathlete
Mocha,
Rich conversation and people who actually DO something for their country was not what I was addressing. From my view, very few people do anything constructive when it comes to expressing their opinion. One sign is that voter registration is consistently down. I seem to remember a time, not in the too distant past, when America stood together for a common cause. Well guess what the majority got what they wanted and we sent our troops abroad to fight. It is a shame we have lost young Americans in that journey, but when the going gets tough, we historically do not tuck tail and run. We also don't bad mouth our troops in the process. Times they are a'changin, eh? If you want to flame me, go ahead. I think this thread is getting a little bland at this point. I realize that everybody has the freedom to say what they want; all that I want is for America to be united as we once were. This does not mean that you run out and put yellow ribbons up in your yard or display an American flag when it is popular to do so. Be proud of your country, know what freedom means and give respect where respect is due. Teach your children that serving your country is noble and nothing to be ashamed of no matter what your economical status is or what your political view is.
Rich conversation and people who actually DO something for their country was not what I was addressing. From my view, very few people do anything constructive when it comes to expressing their opinion. One sign is that voter registration is consistently down. I seem to remember a time, not in the too distant past, when America stood together for a common cause. Well guess what the majority got what they wanted and we sent our troops abroad to fight. It is a shame we have lost young Americans in that journey, but when the going gets tough, we historically do not tuck tail and run. We also don't bad mouth our troops in the process. Times they are a'changin, eh? If you want to flame me, go ahead. I think this thread is getting a little bland at this point. I realize that everybody has the freedom to say what they want; all that I want is for America to be united as we once were. This does not mean that you run out and put yellow ribbons up in your yard or display an American flag when it is popular to do so. Be proud of your country, know what freedom means and give respect where respect is due. Teach your children that serving your country is noble and nothing to be ashamed of no matter what your economical status is or what your political view is.
I'm with you - if we are going after maniacs, the sick f..ig in North Korea comes to mind.....the genocide in Dafur - this president is a nut! He's no Republican - government has become more invasive, more spendcrazy.....how can you compare America to WW2 Days? We had a coalition of the WORLD on our side....Roosevelt didn't enter the war until even the French were begging and America was attacked....there is no comparison to WW2 an this fiasco...
One thing I will say for Bush...he does work out, so maybe he will see our posts.....oh wait a minute...he doesn't read anything in the media.....
One thing I will say for Bush...he does work out, so maybe he will see our posts.....oh wait a minute...he doesn't read anything in the media.....