Vick the *ick...

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Vick dogfighting charges stir stinging reactionStory Highlights
NEW: Sen. John Kerry calls on NFL to suspend Michael Vick immediately

Humane Society of United States, PETA also call for Vick's suspension

Sen. Robert Byrd: Dogfighting is "barbaric," "inhuman," "dastardly"

Star NFL quarterback faces federal charges related to dogfighting

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Fallout intensified Friday from NFL star Michael Vick's indictment on charges linked to dogfighting, a practice that a longtime lawmaker denounced as "barbaric" on the floor of the U.S. Senate.


Sen. Robert Byrd of West Virginia on Thursday condemned dogfighting as "barbaric."

1 of 2 Democratic Sen. Robert Byrd of West Virginia, who has addressed lawmakers often about his love for animals, shook with emotion during a forceful condemnation of dogfighting.

"Hundreds of thousands -- if not millions -- of dollars are often at stake in the breeding, the training and the selling of fighting dogs. How inhuman, how dastardly!" shouted the senator. "The training of these poor creatures to turn themselves into fighting machines is simply barbaric."

Senate criticism increased Friday as Sen. John Kerry said he had sent a letter to the NFL commissioner calling for Vick's immediate suspension.

"Dogfighting is one of society's most barbaric and inhumane activities," Kerry wrote to Commissioner Roger Goodell.

"As the most popular team sport in America, professional football has a responsibility to showcase the highest levels of behavior and sportsmanship," Kerry's letter said.

The 2004 Democratic presidential nominee also said he planned to introduce anti-dogfighting legislation.

Kerry's proposal would make it illegal to transmit images of dogfighting, to run Web sites that cater to dogfighting, and to own or train dogs for the purpose of fighting, according to his office.

Joining the call for Vick's suspension were more than 50 animal rights protesters gathered Friday outside NFL headquarters in New York. The People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals event followed a letter condemning dogfighting that the group sent to Vick's team, the Atlanta Falcons, Goodell and Vick's corporate sponsors.

The Humane Society of the United States also called for Vick's suspension and said on its Web site, "Anything less would be an outrage." Watch Sen. Byrd's tirade against dogfighting »

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Vick and three associates face federal conspiracy charges alleging they bought and sponsored dogs in a fighting venture and traveled across state lines to participate in illegal activity, including gambling, prosecutors announced Tuesday in Richmond, Virginia.

Vick has yet to comment publicly on the charges, which prosecutors say could lead to a maximum six-year prison sentence and fines of $350,000.

The indictment hit Vick personally Thursday when shoe manufacturer Nike announced it has suspended release of its Zoom Vick V shoe after "the serious and highly disturbing allegations." The Beaverton, Oregon, company said in a written statement that, "We have not terminated our relationship" and that Vick "should be afforded the same due process as any citizen."

Vick's boss, Falcons owner Arthur Blank, also said in a written statement Thursday he is "saddened and distressed" by the situation.

According to the indictment, Vick and associates obtained a property near Smithfield, Virginia, for the purpose of staging dogfights, bought dogs and then fought them there, and in several other states, over a six-year period.

Dogs that didn't show enough fighting spirit, or lost matches, were put to death by methods that included shooting, drowning, hanging and electrocution, according to the indictment. Prosecutors allege that on one occasion earlier this year, Vick participated in killing eight dogs.

Vick, 27, was a standout athlete at Virginia Tech and the first player chosen in the 2001 NFL draft. He is one of pro football's highest-profile and highest-paid players, and signed a 10-year, $130 million contract with the Falcons in 2004.

ESPN has reported that Vick called Blank on Wednesday. ESPN sources said they believe Vick expressed contrition, and he apologized for any distractions the scandal may be creating. Vick also thanked Blank for his support, ESPN reported.

The statement from Blank indicated that team officials were weighing several factors in their response to Vick's indictment.

"This is an emotionally charged and complicated matter," Blank said. "There are a wide range of interests and legal issues that need to be carefully considered as we move ahead, including our need to respect the due process that Michael is entitled to."

The Falcons organization is aware, Blank said, of "differing perspectives and strong feelings" surrounding the case, but is "committed to doing the right thing."


Blank said he was "saddened and distressed about this -- not for myself, but for our fans and community who have been so loyal to us."

Vick faces a bond hearing and arraignment before a federal judge in Richmond on July 26 -- which also is opening day of Falcons' training camp
 
Thanks Lorie for providing the update on Kerry's recent involvement in this outrage.

You would think that more people (well known public figures) would be speaking out about this. It really isn't a light-hearted subject and I fear that once the story loses "momentum" that people will forget about it.

I guess I am just appalled that more public figures haven't spoken out about this terrible situation.
 
Stuff like this just reminds me that we aren't nearly as evolved as we like to think we are. :-(

DeeDee
 
AGAIN with the suspension! Why is no one mentioning firing the sicko?

Just out of curiosity, how many of you would be fired if you were found guilty of this? I know I would...........x(
 
>Just out of curiosity, how many of you would be fired if you
>were found guilty of this?

That's just it....he hasn't been found guilty. Certainly he has in the court of public opinion, but we do have a process and a legal system!
 
I agree--I think the process should follow its due course. THEN they should fire his slimy butt! I just don't understand all the talk of suspension & no mention at all of cutting him loose entireley.
 
Laura, I think for now they are talking suspension because he has not been found guilty (yet). Once he is, I can't imagine him not getting fired. If not, I imagine PETA, HSUS, ASPCA, etc. will organize protests. In Atlanta, there is a protest orghanized by the humane society for Thursday (first day of training camp).

I really hope the Falcons management thinks long and hard about firing him (and does). The Falcons are owned by Arthur Blank who also owns Home Depot. I can tell you right now that if he is found guilty and they don't fire him, I will NEVER shop at Home Depot again. I hope others will follow.

I will absolutely boycott Home Depot and am thinking that maybe writing them a letter stating that until they take action, I will no longer shop there might be in order. People are boycotting Nike, why not Home Depot?

Hmmm...maybe time for another thread.
 
I think the players association (union) is probably why they're not currently talking firing.

The NFL does have a policy on player conduct that is outside the legal system. In the last report I read, they (NFL and Falcons) were looking into violations of that and if he could be suspended. This case is a PR nightmare for the NFL, and I think they're trying to get Vick the *ick out of the picture prior to a criminal conviction, without ruffling the feathers of the players' union.

Once he's convicted in a court of law (which will take some time), my bet is he'll be fired in a second.

What I don't get is WHY, WHY, WHY Nike is still hanging on to this guy. You'd think they'd have clause in their contract with him that would cut him loose in the event of something like this even without a criminal conviction.
 
Gayle, I agree. I don't know why Nike would even want to be involved in this mess. What about celebrity endorsers who have compromising photos surface or are involved in drugs? I am sure they would be let out of their contracts.

Look at Isiah Washington...he was fired from "Grey's" for using a very derrogatory remark. I totally agreed with them getting rid of him but, let's face it, what Vick did makes Isiah Washington's remarks look like nothing!

Nike are idiots and I don't think I will ever buy another Nike product (especially when there are so many other good products out there...Ryka, New Balance, Adidas, etc.).
 
The part that really kills me is the bait dogs. Can you imagine these poor animals. Taken from a shelter, frightened and excited about a new home, new surrounds; just to be thrown in a pit and torn apart by another dog.
 
Sorry - it's a serious topic...but someone actually used the word "dastardly"? I thought that was reserved solely for Dudley Dooright cartoons.
 
My Aussie was attacked last night by a Jindo in a training class (you can bet that I won't be going back to THAT class again!). We pulled them apart quickly, and he's fine today (in Doggie Day Camp with other dogs and nice and relaxed - so no latent dog fear). But, those few moments when he was attacked was horrible. I cannot imagine paying to see two dogs go after each other - especially one that I own!

And bait dogs - most of them come from litters that are bred or Craigslist (which is why if you surrender an animal on Craigslist you always ask a rehoming fee - even one that goes directly to the Humane Society). The really sad news is because of dog fighting and the scum of the earth like Vick, many shelters euthanize bully breeds (anything that looks like a pitbull - which is technically not a breed) upon arrival. The ones that do not are usually very selective about who gets their dogs.
 
I got this from ESPN's website today - good news:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2947725

Falcons distancing themselves from Vick

Updated: July 24, 2007, 7:07 PM ET
Falcons owner Arthur Blank and general manager Rich McKay spoke extensively Tuesday about quarterback Michael Vick, and the tone of the news conference was in past tense.


Though innocent until proven guilty, Vick, the face of the Falcons' franchise, is on the outside looking in. His days as a Falcon appear to be numbered. Blank, McKay and the Falcons are ready to move on while Vick fights his dogfighting case in a federal courtroom in Richmond, Va. Blank drafted the language of a four-game suspension but didn't serve it because commissioner Roger Goodell stepped in and put Vick's status on hold.


For years, Blank and entire Falcons organization stood behind Vick with zeal. Vick was exciting. He filled the Georgia Dome with fans. Blank rewarded him with a $130 million contract extension with a belief that Vick's magic legs and powerful arm could carry the organization to the Super Bowl.


That Blank was willing to suspend him for four games even before Vick registers a plea to his federal indictment was telling. The one-time leader of the Falcons' offense is no longer in a position to lead. He was the toast of Atlanta. Now, he's toast. To regain his standing with the organization, he'll have to fight and defeat these charges and then try to fight his way back on the roster.


Imagine the anger of the owner, flying back from an African vacation, when he learned the details of Vick's indictment. The crime of dogfighting is so disgusting and embarrassing that the front office spent days studying ways to separate itself from Vick instead of embracing him. Blank and McKay studied the concepts of just releasing him. They settled on suspending him.


Blank didn't want to give Vick a paid leave of absence. To potentially pay Vick $6 million and then learn he is guilty didn't work for an owner who has pride in the businesses he owns. If anything, the Falcons might look to reclaim some of the money he's been paid.


Understand that the decision by Goodell to order Vick out of camp was a compromise mutually worked out between the NFLPA, the league and the Falcons. The Falcons decided to keep him off the field as long as they could. Rules mandate team suspensions can't be longer than four games. Blank wanted the max.


The three parties worked all day Monday to come up with what everyone thought could be an acceptable solution. Credit Goodell with a save in some regards, but what he can't patch is the icy relationship Vick now has with the Falcons. It is likely Goodell will let a good portion of the training camp pass before he lets Vick return.


Anyone thinking Vick will be part of the Falcons this year is living in a fantasy world. It's possible, but odds are building against it. First, he has to clear his name from the dogfighting rap. It's Joey Harrington's team temporarily. Vick remains part of the team, but he's on his own for the time being. John Clayton is a senior writer for ESPN.com.




Suz

"Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawakened." - Anatole France

http://www.picturetrail.com/dogs2birds
 
Lorie- I just had to say that I can't even bring myself to read or hear exactly what happened b/c I will cry but I have e-mailed all parties to voice my opinion & so has my mom and many others. It just makes me ill to my stomach that people can be so cruel to animals. I have had to turn the TV channel so many times in the morning while getting ready to avoid hearing the horrid stories about this, luckily I've been successful so far-my mom wasn't as lucky & told me not to watch it but to send the e-mails! I am an animal lover through & through & am always trying to help financially to shelters.

I think I've seen a post before that you are involved with your local animal shelter or something similiar, you are a wonderful person- we need more good people like you & less people like Vick the $ick!
 
Best news I heard all day Suz- thanks for sharing it! Finally, someone willing to step in and put his money where his mouth is. Good for the Falcons.
 
Yeah, that is great news. But I just read something that turned my stomach. I was reading a blog on www.badrap.org - probably my favorite pit bull website that I visit often - and the blogger said this:

"But for now, the dogs still belong to Vick, and they will continue to be his dogs until and unless the courts rule against him. So the best we can hope for is a quick trial so the dogs can avoid kennel stress, and a smart ruling in favor of justice."

I didn't even think about that! The thought of him getting the dogs back just makes me want to throw up - literally.

Suz

"Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawakened." - Anatole France

http://www.picturetrail.com/dogs2birds
 
Woo-hoo!!! :D

I hope he not only never plays football again but loses his money trying to defend himself from these charges. Someone told me that federal indictments such as his have a 97% conviction rate. I really hope that's true and that he is convicted and sent to jail. Well, there are other things I hope happen to him, but if I wrote them I would probably get in trouble.
 

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