Stuck in a Holding Pattern

BelovedHeather

BelovedHeather

Cathlete
I need some advice. I have basically been doing fun workouts for the last 6 weeks with 1-2 rest days every week. I am in stuck a holding pattern. I am delighted to discover that maintenance is this easy for me, but maintenance is not where I want to be right now. I think I need more cardio and more challenging weight training, but how much? This is what I have been doing for the last few weeks:

rest day
Kick, Punch, & Crunch
Boot Camp
Rhythmic Step
Supersets (VHS version with just one set of everything)
rest day
Step, Jump, & Pump

It is time to change my Thursday workout to something more challenging like Muscle Endurance. Any other suggestions? I want to get ready for the new workouts Cathe is filming and encourage fat loss at the same time. How many cardio workouts a week? How many total body weight training workouts a week? How many circuit training workouts a week? I have most of Cathe’s non-dated workouts. I am willing and able to give up one of the rest days. One rest day a week works for me most of the time.

By the way, my eating is consistently clean. No overeating or emotional eating either. I definitely feel that the exercise part of the equation is what needs a change.

Aquajock, I am interested in suggestions for water workouts if you read this. I have access to a wonderful saltwater pool at the club. I am paying for a membership, so I really need to start using it! I usually jog in the pool, but I am open to suggestions. I am trying to figure out a good way to keep my weight moving in the right direction without spending 2 hours a day working out. Would adding water training to my routine again be beneficial in your opinion? I can only handle so much impact at my size, and the water is very soothing and joint-friendly.

Blessings,
Heather B.

“So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God” (1 Corinthians 10:31 NIV).
 
Hi Heather,
Do you have Imax2 or Imax3? One of those would be good to put in on say rhythmic step day-I would switch supersets to either muscle max or muscle endurance. And for bootcamp do you have either high step training advanced or high step circuit-just a suggestion for switching it up a bit. Its so hard to say what will work good for you as everyone is different-I am interested in what Ajock says too.
Sincerely,
Lisa
 
You might want to add an Imax in there. The Imaxes really kick the cardio up a notch. If you're open to reducing your rest days down to one, that would allow more time and flexibility for workouts, as well. Also, I like doing a full hour of upper body work, and a full hour of lower body work - twice a week for each. That's my preference, and it works well for me. Oh, and do you add ab work in there? I didn't see any.
 
Hi, Heather B! Following is a reprint of a post I put up several months ago about water jogging. I'll follow up more tomorrow on aqua training techniques in the shallow end of the pool, but this should get you off to a good start.

HTH -

a-Jock

WATER JOGGING WORKOUT FORM POINTERS:

In traditional water jogging and in vertical-body drills, make sure you maintain a straight and strong trunk. Avoid hinging forward from the hips or
curving forward from the spine; also avoid hyperextending (overarching) from the low spine. Maintain a total body position about three degrees
forward from vertical.

In traditional water jogging arm motions, make sure that you do not cross the arms in front of the body and pull the elbows out to the sides; instead
make the arm motions true shoulder flexion and extension forward and back. This recruits the anterior and posterior deltoids more effectively.

In traditional water jogging arm motions as well as “double-uppercuts”, keep your hands fisted, your wrists firm and your arms in a strict 90-degree
flexion at the elbow. Also make sure to complete equal range of motion forward and back. The firmer you keep the arms the more effective the work.

To increase the workload for long-lever arm work, flatten the hands in the direction of the motion and keep the elbow and wrist joints firm.

To increase the workload for long-lever leg work, point the toes and keep the knee and ankle joints firm, using the muscles rather than locking out
the joints. (Conversely, to reduce the workload for long-lever leg work, flex the ankle, but remember to keep that position firm.)

To increase resistance for the upper body, wear resistance mitts for the hands (Speedo brand resistance mitts offer the heaviest resistance due to
increased surface area AND cloth drag resistance.) You can also wear an old, long-sleeved tee-shirt to significantly increase cloth drag resistance.

To increase resistance for the lower body, wear a pair of old athletic shoes that you no longer need for your leg work. (Note that you do NOT want to
wear these for flutter-kick drills.) You can also wear a pair of old, outsized panty-hose-style nylons or tights to significantly increase cloth drag
resistance (make sure to wear a pair at least two sizes larger than you might for regular street wear, so that circulation to the lower body isn’t
constricted).

If you wish to do your water jogging workout routine to music, select music that is between 135 and 145 bpm to start, gauge how effective your
movements are from there, and then change the music selection and bpms as desired.

For prone (face-down) flutter- and frog-kick drills, make sure the entire body from head to foot, is at the waterline; there should be no sagging at
the low back. Also make sure your neck is neutral and not hiking up; keep your chin somewhat tucked.

For seated flutter-kick drills, make sure your hips are directly underneath your shoulders; they should not be drifting forward or hiking back. (This
takes a surprising amount of core work to do!)

USE YOUR IMAGINATION WHEN DESIGNING YOUR
WATER JOGGING WORKOUTS!


WATER JOGGING WORKOUT RESOURCES:

Aqua Jogger
www.aquajogger.com
The original Aqua Jogger belt; videos; accessories

Adolph Kiefer and Associates
www.kiefer.com
“Aqua-Sizer” belt; numerous other products for general aquatic fitness

Hydrofit Aquatic Fitness Gear
www.hydrofit.com
“Wave Belt” belt; numerous other products for general aquatic fitness

Speedo USA
www.speedousa.com
“Aquatic Fitness Belt”; resistance gloves; apparel

Fitness Wholesale
www.fwonline.com
“Aqua Sun Swim Belt” and “Aqua Joggers”; wide variety of products including books / videos, accessories, heart-rate charts and music

The Aquatic Exercise Association
www.aeawave.com
Provides training and certification for aquatic instructors; also has a store of aquatic fitness products and literature.

SAMPLE WATER JOGGING WORKOUT ROUTINE:

COMPLETE CYCLES OF:

Traditional runs 12-count with standard running arms
Traditional runs 12-count with double-uppercuts:
palms in, palms up, palms out; 12 count
(Note: 4 complete runs per count, i.e. 1-2-3-4, 2-2-3-4,
3-2-3-4, 4-2-3-4)

THEN:

Runs + short-lever fisted FAST arm abductions / adductions at waterline
(pec / rear-delt flyes) 12 count
Skis + long-lever palmed arm abductions / adductions at waterline
(pec / rear-delt flyes) 24-count

Runs + flat-hand push-pulls at waterline 12 count
Power skis (long-lever legs toes pointed, long-lever arms hands flat)
24-count

Runs + short-lever fisted lateral delt raises 12 count
JACKS + long-lever flat-hand lateral delt raises
(note: raise arms as you abduct legs; abduct arms as you adduct legs)
24-count

Runs + biceps curls 12 count
Skis + long-lever shoulder flexion / extension flat hands with palms facing
back (24 count)

Runs + LONG-lever fisted FAST arm abductions / adductions at waterline
(pec / rear-delt flyes)
12 count
Skis + long-lever flat-hand abductions / adductions at waterline
(pec / rear delt flyes)
24-count

Runs + flat-hand push-pulls OR breast strokes at waterline 12 count
Power Skis (long-lever legs toes pointed, long-lever arms hands flat)
24-count

Runs with legs abducted + flat-hand upright rows 12 count
JACKS + long-lever flat-hand lateral delt raises
(note: raise arms as you abduct legs; abduct arms as you adduct legs)
24-count

Runs + flat-hand triceps extensions 12-count
Skis + long-lever shoulder flexion / extension palms UP 24-count

Traveling vertical breast strokes for 12; body vertical and static
Traveling vertical “digs back” for 12; body vertical and static
Traveling vertical “reverse breast strokes” for 12; body vertical and static

Anchored flutter / frog kick drills at wall (3 cycles of 12 each)

(Each cycle of this runs about 20 minutes)


SAMPLE WATER JOGGING WORKOUT ROUTINE (cont.):

ADDITIONAL DRILLS:

Anchored dolphin kicks at wall

Seated flutter kick drills (anchored with back to wall; or traveling backward)

Vertical flutter kick drills arms extended overhead (legs; core stabilization)

Vertical hamstring curls arms extended overhead (hams; core stabilization)

Non-traveling skis and jacks arms extended overhead (core stabilization)

Non-traveling runs arms extended overhead (core stabilization)

Runs plus fisted arm rolls (“speed-bag drills”) with the forearms and fists either breaking the surface of the water or directly underneath the
waterline

Runs plus long-arm claps at waterline, short-lever claps with elbows anchored at sides of trunk, and short-lever forearm abduction / adduction with
elbows anchored at sides of trunk (good rotator cuff work)
 
Hi, Heather, me again -

In answer to your question, yes I absolutely do know that adding water training to your routine again would be beneficial, for cardio challenge and variety, for muscle endurance training, and for range-of-motion stuff that you can't quite approximate on land.

In the above post I focused on techniques for using the Aqua Jogger or other like float-belt / float-vest device for totally zero-impact, deep water training. Following are a few suggestions for shallow-water training, "shallow" defined as navel-depth to a depth just underneath the breastline (at approximately the xyphoid process).

First, you'll want proper aqua athletic shoes. Ryka makes the best kind, specifically designed for water aerobics.

Second, if you're already comfortable with the water environment, consider getting resistance mitts / gloves for the hands; Speedo is the best because the mitts give you not only surface area resistance but also cloth-drag resistance. There are several other kinds at the companies listed above.

Third, use your knowledge of Cathe's kickboxing and weightlifting upper body drills (i.e. pec / rear delt flyes, lateral arm raises for the middle delts, biceps curls and triceps extensions, uppercuts and hooks, front jabs and cross-body jabs, anterior delt raises palms up and palms down, ETC ETC ETC) and employ these in the shallow end in a lunge or squat stance, deep enough so that the water is at the shoulder level, and use the resistance mitts and a fisted or flat-hand position in lieu of the dumbbells for upper body training.

Fourth, develop drill sets using the following:

High-knee runs (a la MIC, Circuit Max, 10-10-10)
Double-time runs with boxer's flurry (a la KPC high intensity drills)
Double-time runs with speedbag drills at the waterline
Double-time runs with fast front jabs, hands either fisted and palms down, or flat and palms pushing forward
Airborne jacks
Tuck jumps
Plie jacks
One-legged hops (a la I-Max 2)
Straight-leg front kicks (a la MIC and 10-10-10)
Jacks with block-jack arms (a la Circuit Max floor kickbox segment)
Kick-butt runs for the hamstrings (a la KPC high intensity drills)
Power skis (swinging straight legs and arms in opposition - i.e. right arm forward and left leg forward, then reverse - kind of like you're on a Nordic Track ski machine.

There are about a trillion more drills I could throw at you, but this oughtta get you started. Don't worry about music right now - just figure out generally what movement speed you're comfortable with (step speed; kickbox speed; hi/lo speed) and then check back in and we'll tawk.

HTH -

A-Jock
 
Thank You!!!

Thank you for all the suggestions. This is exactly what I needed!

Lisa, I did IMAX2 instead of my Friday rest day a week ago and loved it. I did some backsliding this past week in terms of getting to bed on time and did not have enough energy to tackle it Friday morning. I started previewing IMAX3 for the first time yesterday. I will need to modify this one a lot! I think I will start with the step premix. I am planning do Muscle Endurance or Muscle Max once a week instead of Supersets. I just received High Step Challenge and have not previewed it yet. I love the Gauntlet for a taste of Boot Camp with more cardio.

Shannon, you busted me on the ab work! No, I am not doing any (other than what Cathe includes in her workouts), but I need to start again. I have Ab Hits. Core Max is on the way. I like your plan, but twice a week would be too much for me. I decided to start with Leaner Legs + Pyramid Upper Body once a week, Muscle Endurance once a week, and Boot Camp or the Gauntlet once a week. This will be a challenge for me right now. I really slacked off on the weight training this summer. I am such a cardio and circuit training queen. I enjoy Cathe’s weight workouts when I get on track with them. I just have to discipline myself to start again.

Annette, thank you! This helps tremendously. I forgot to mention yesterday that the pool at the club is a lap pool with no deep end. It is 4-feet deep in all places. That is shoulder level for me. I have access to an outdoor pool in the summer months with a deep end. I do not have one of those belts. I started my journey at 50 percent body fat and could jog in the deep end without any flotation aids! I am now closer to 35 percent body fat with more muscle under it all. I am not sure how well I float. I bought a pair of Ryka aqua shoes yesterday, and I was going to ask you what you thought of them. I am glad to know that you like them. With my new aqua shoes, I can get serious about my water workouts. They are actually a lot cushier than the Ryka studio shoes. I wish I could wear these shoes for my other workouts. I will look for some of those gloves today. We have pool weights and noodles at the club too. I think I will start with Monday, Wednesday, and Friday after work and possibly Saturday morning. I am really excited about this! Adding something totally different to a rotation makes everything feel new and fresh again! I always see amazing results when I exercise more than once a day, but I start burning out after a few weeks when I try to do land workouts twice a day. There is something refreshing and restorative about water workouts.

Blessings,
Heather B.

“So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God” (1 Corinthians 10:31 NIV).
 
Ready to Take a Chance Again

Annette:

It’s me again! I am so excited about adding water workouts to my rotation again. I bought a pair of the Speedo webbed gloves today in a lovely neon yellow that will clash with every swimsuit I own! LOL! Actually, I have a black swimsuit with a yellow stripe on the top. I will not be a fashion disaster every night!

If you have more cardio drills up your sleeve, please share! I was just thinking today that I wish someone would invent an aqua step so I could do IMAX3 in the pool. I checked out the Speedo website. They have one! It sells for $90.00, so I will pass for now. Not to mention, I do not want to drag that thing to the club. With my Speedo aqua gloves and Ryka aqua shoes, I am ready to get serious about my waters workouts.

I have been avoiding the club since March for a variety of reasons (like burnout and feeling self-conscious about my size among other things). You might think I am silly to feel this way, but some people are really rude. Last year, I was in the fitness center talking to a personal trainer friend of mine when an older man walked over to me and interrupted our conversation to tell me that I am too pretty to be so fat. He held up a white towel in front of my body and declared that I am a very attractive woman from the neck up. It was not just a humbling experience. It was humiliating. I felt like an exhibit at the zoo before that. An obese woman in a weight room stands out like a pink elephant in a swimming pool. It has been my experience that athletic clubs are often country clubs for fit people instead of places for fat people to get fit. When I read threads on fitness forums wondering why obese people do not join gyms and do something about their weight, I have to restrain myself. I am humbling myself, laying aside my pride, and going to have fun in that place again come what may. I ran into the club director tonight at the grocery store. Five minutes later, I ran into another member of the club. Okay, I get the message. It is time for me to return.

I am tired of being fat. I am tired of being judged for the way I look. I am tired of people stereotyping me as lazy and uneducated about fitness. That is the glory of these forums. None of you know what I look like. I wish people in real life could see through these layers of fat to my heart. I am not uneducated or lazy. I eat cleaner and exercise more than most of my thin friends (not counting the fitness professionals). Sometimes I wonder if people realize how hard it is to conquer obesity permanently. Then there are the comments about water workouts and home (video) workouts not being real workouts, but do not get me started on that tonight!

I apologize for my hormonal rant. I am feeling emotional tonight for a variety of reasons, and it is better to write it out than eat through it.

Blessings,
Heather B.

“So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God” (1 Corinthians 10:31 NIV).
 
RE: Ready to Take a Chance Again

Heather, I'll post up some more cardio drills tonight; I logged on just now a bit later than normal and have to fly in about a minute and a half.

Re the older man who said that sh*t to you - he's a pig. (Actually, pigs might be insulted to be compared to him, but you get the idea.) 'Nuff said on that note.

You can beat this. And water workouts can be very powerful. A lot of people fluff around in the water, but that doesn't mean you have to. There are ways you can get an exceptionally challenging, high-cardio / high-muscle endurance workout in the water, and I'll tell you how.

Tonight.

You can do this.

A-Jock
 
Heather -

You asked for advice, so I'm offering some, and I don't know that it's really what you wanted to hear. I have an idea that you don't want suggestions on your eating habits, but I'm going to take a stab at it anyway. I'm going to refer you to a post on the "Success Stories" forum titled "Cathe Works." This is an excellent post because this person achieved her success by implementing a very detailed PLAN (and a very good one at that) on exercising AND eating. You have read it before many times over that a good eating plan is at least 80% of the solution. Please read that post because I think what you are lacking is a plan. We have read your posts for quit awhile now, and you are constantly lamenting your failures and wistfully wishing you could come up with something that will help you reach your goals. Let's face it, whatever you've been trying ain't working by your own admission, so please consider looking into what has done can actually produce the results you want.

I mean this post with real kindness, but also firmness because you need to be pointed in another direction. Good luck to you!

"You can't win them all - but you can try." - Babe Zaharias http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/musik/music-smiley-004.gif[/img]
 
Heather,

You have gotten wonderful advice and I just have one more thing to add. Maybe try setting specific achievable, goals for your fitness program. You may include eating goals too. That is a personal choice and you have to know yourself to know what you can emotionally handle with eating goals; sometimes they backfire :)I found several months ago, that I was in a holding pattern too. Then I was talking to my son, who made huge gains in weight lifting over the school year and he said, "You don't have any goals." I think that he was right. So, I've set some goals, like increasing the amount of weight I can use for upper body, and then changing my approach to upper body and sticking with the rotation that I created, and it has worked very well for me. I'm making progress towards my goal, and it's motivating. It's just an idea to use the information provided to achieve something concrete.

Tracy
 
RE: Thank You!!!

Heather, I just re-read your post about the dimensions and depth of the pool you have access to. With the water at shoulder level, it's going to be somewhat tricky to do the "shallow water" drills I suggested, but I thing you can; just put a lot of spring into your leg movements.

I do suggest you get one of the float belts (I personally like the Aqua Jogger brand the best), and consider doing strictly zero-impact work; the jogger should keep your feet clear of the floor of the pool, and use that list of drills in my first post back to you.

Don't even think about the Aqua Step - it's beyond useless.

Also, consider bringing in good old fashioned swimming drills as well. Do three laps of front crawl, one lap of flutter kickboard drills, two laps of breast stroke, one lap of flutter kickboard drills, back to front crawl etc. If you can do the backstroke and the butterfly as well, wonderful (I can't). I suggest injecting those kickboard laps because swimming is overwhelmingly an upper body activity, and you don't want the legs to feel left out!

HTH -

A-Jock
 
My Way of Eating

Honeybunch, thank you for your response. I read the success story you recommended. That person advocates the need to have “patience for perfectionism.” Perfectionism is something I am overcoming. In my experience, perfectionism is an enemy of true freedom. Her method of logging every bite and counting every calorie is not a good approach for someone like me with a history of eating disorders.

I believe in a whole person approach to fitness, including the spiritual and emotional. I am currently working with a counselor. I have also worked with a registered dietitian in the past. With a history of compulsive eating and other food obsessions, I have more to consider than just what will cause me to shed fat most efficiently. I have discussed my approach to eating with my physician. Before I started working out at home with Cathe, I worked with a personal trainer who is in awe-inspiring shape like Cathe. She is a personal friend who has known me for 12 years. Knowing my history, she encouraged me to focus on intense exercise and avoid the trap of calorie counting. When I started reading posts in fitness forums, I succumbed to the temptation. Big mistake! My counselor is thrilled that I finally gave up dieting and calorie counting for good.

Those who know me personally and are familiar with my history, my personality, and my weaknesses do not counsel me to count calories, points, etc. Quite the opposite. Through experience, I have learned that numbers-oriented approaches like that ultimately backfire on me and lead me back into bondage. When I started my fitness journey, I ate when I was hungry and chose minimally processed foods and shed 80 pounds in 9 months. Then I started keeping detailed food logs to see if I could get even better results. I planned perfect ratios. I weighed and measured every bite I ate. I started obsessing over food and my body again, which led to overeating. I bounced up and down between a size 14 and a size 18. The approach that the success story shared is very similar to what I tried that did not work for me. I do much better with a simpler and more natural approach to eating. I eat 3 small meals and 2 snacks. For my meals, I usually choose a whole grain or a starchy veggie, protein, and a fruit and/or non-starchy veggie. For my snacks, I usually choose protein and a fruit and/or non-starchy veggie. I eat organic when possible. I avoid MSG and other allergens. During the work week, I pack my meals and snacks for the day. I enjoy an occasional treat without guilt. I did some social eating with friends last weekend. I ate a piece of lemon icebox pie and drank a glass of sweet tea Saturday. I ate some frozen yogurt and drank a glass of sweet tea Sunday. I woke up Monday morning with a food hangover from the sugar. Consuming that much sugar in one weekend is so unusual for me that my body has a strong reaction to it. I am not currently keeping food logs, but I did last year and the first half of this year. I weighed and measured my food and logged calories, carbs, protein, fat, fiber, and sodium until 6 weeks ago. That did not work for me. I packed up my food logs with my scale on the 4th of July and never looked back. This has worked wonders for my mental health and allowed me to maintain my size with only 5 workouts a week, so this approach is not a failure. I am just ready to take my workouts to the next level. I am not sure what you think I am eating, but this is a typical cardio day and what I ate yesterday:

Uncle Sam cereal
strawberries
almond milk

apple
organic celery
natural peanut butter

garden salad mix
broccoli
cucumber slices
organic kidney beans
homemade honey mustard dressing (raw honey and mustard)

Thinkorganic chocolate coconut raw fruit and nut energy bar
navel orange

hemp protein smoothie (banana, organic frozen mixed berries, orange juice, and hemp protein powder)

This is what I ate today (as I crave more protein on weight training days):

steel-cut oatmeal (steamed)
natural peanut butter
raw honey
organic egg (boiled)
banana

organic raw almonds
organic raisins

baked potato
cottage cheese
cucumber slices in raw vinegar

cottage cheese
red seedless grapes

organic Smart Chicken breast (grilled)
broccoli (steamed)
corn on the cob (steamed)

I personally do not see anything “wrong” with my style of eating and do not understand why you think I need another plan. This way of eating is balanced, it fuels my workouts, and it energizes me. My eating is not perfect. I could benefit from more veggies for sure.

I am not a failure, and I do not consider my current approach to eating to be a failure. I did not start this thread to lament my failures. I was getting bigger every week in June. I have maintained the same size for 6 weeks with a more intuitive approach to eating and only 5 workouts a week. In other words, I have gone from calorie surplus to calorie balance without counting or weighing anything. I call that progress.

I started this thread to seek advice about how much more cardio and weight training to add to my rotation. I have a tendency to go to extremes. I want to avoid overtraining. If what I was doing was maintaining my size, it seems to me that taking another step in the right direction should create a calorie deficit. (It is possible that I am a few pounds lighter. I have not stepped on a scale in 6 weeks. I have to drop about 15 pounds to see a difference.) I am confident that I am on the right track.

I also believe in making a few changes at a time instead of trying to change everything at once. Getting more sleep at night and adding more cardio and weight training to my rotation are my goals right now. In a month or so, I may be ready to make more positive changes in the nutrition arena.

By the way, I have dropped weight rapidly in the past by following a strict plan. It was a temporary measure. I want a lifestyle that I can maintain for the rest of my days. I have made some gentle changes to my eating in recent months like switching from Clif Bars to raw food bars or hemp protein smoothies (thanks to Kathryn for the hemp protein suggestion). I am very much a work in progress. Yes, I am open to suggestions about my eating, but anyone who wants to offer any needs to ask questions and take a look at what I am, in fact, eating. Otherwise, the advice given would be based on assumptions. Cathe refrains from giving specific nutrition advice through these forums, and I think she has a good reason for doing so. There are many factors to consider, and there is not one “right” way that works for everyone.

Honeybunch, I know how to lose weight. The challenge for me is avoiding extremes and maintaining a lifestyle of balance and moderation. I agree that the way you suggested is likely the fastest way to goal. It is just not the most beneficial in my case. If all that calorie counting causes me to obsess, it is not worth it. Fitness is about freedom, not a size. Based on a recent thread Kathryn started on this subject, I know that I am not alone in my feelings about calorie counting and the numbers game.

http://69.0.137.118/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=315310&mesg_id=

I imagine that it is difficult for a personal trainer to watch someone struggle, and I appreciate that you were trying to help. :) The journey is not always pretty to watch, but it is a great adventure. :7 Stay tuned for my success story.

Blessings,
Heather B.

“So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God” (1 Corinthians 10:31 NIV).
 
RE: My Way of Eating

Heather,
I am in such agreement with you on the eating-I do not count calories nor do I watch every little thing I put in my mouth. I think you are doing wonderful and I understand just wanting to tweak your workouts. I love A-Jocks suggestions and I still think adding one of the Imax workouts will help you greatly-like you said you just did that. I think you are on the right path, hang in there keep tweaking the workouts and you will find what clicks for you like you said and I always say EVERYONE is different. I wish you the best of luck,
Sincerely
Lisa
 
RE: My Way of Eating

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