Soy.......

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Cathlete
Ok, I have heard so many conflicting opinions about soy. Anyone know the truth? The real skinny? I've heard that you should stay away from soy, it is the biggest GMO crop in the U.S. Men should definitely stay away, because it will give them man boobs. I've heard it's great for women, it has quite a few phytoestrogens. I've heard that fermented soy is ok. (soy sauce) Vegetarians love tofu, Paleo people think tofu is terrible.Years ago, one of my fellow personal trainers, told all his clients to stay away from soy. Would love to hear your opinion, and if you are in the know, I would love to know!!!
 
I can't eat much soy because I've had breast cancer, so that's my take on it. I do eat tofu some, but limit any soy products. I think it is a great source of protein, just have to avoid too much.
 
Healthy, wholesome, clean food is one of my passions. Soy is something I've avoided for many years now. Dr. Minich is well-respected in her field, and she's been one of my mentors for the past couple of years. Your question triggered my curiosity to find some concrete fact-based information regarding soy consumption, and with that, I found this 30-minute video on Dr. Minich's Facebook page. I've never watched it, but I'm about to. I hope you find this helpful. :)

ETA: I just tested the link. You'll need to enter "soy with Lyra Heller" in the search box to find the video.
 
Good to know. I can now dismiss some of the rumors. Like most food, it depends on the individual, and it isn't the demon spawn, I had heard about. Thanks for the link, Carol. I'm not a big soy person, so I don't think I will be adding it to my diet.
 
I decided to *copy* this instead of providing a link. I've stayed far away from soy, starting approximately 10 years ago, especially after researching everything I could on GMO's and exactly what that means. I also was not on board with how heavily pushed soy was, especially for women. (If I was a man though, I would stay very far away from soy.) Anyway, for those who are not happy about reading this, please do your own research. Westin A. Price is a very good place to go, which is where these summaries come from. They are also copied to many websites who agree with their findings. The only soy I would eat is fermented, such as miso.

Summary:
  • High levels of phytic acid in soy reduce assimilation of calcium, magnesium, copper, iron and zinc. Phytic acid in soy is not neutralized by ordinary preparation methods such as soaking, sprouting, and long, slow cooking, but only with long fermentation. High-phytate diets have caused growth problems in children.
  • Trypsin inhibitors in soy interfere with protein digestion and may cause pancreatic disorders. In test animals, soy containing trypsin inhibitors caused stunted growth.
  • Soy phytoestrogens disrupt endocrine function and have the potential to cause infertility and to promote breast cancer in adult women.
  • Soy phytoestrogens are potent anti-thyroid agents that cause hypothyroidism and may cause thyroid cancer. In infants, consumption of soy formula has been linked to autoimmune thyroid disease.
  • Vitamin B12 analogs in soy are not absorbed and actually increase the body's requirement for B12.
  • Soy foods increase the body's requirement for Vitamin D. Toxic synthetic Vitamin D2 is added to soy milk.
  • Fragile proteins are over-denatured during high temperature processing to make soy protein isolate and textured vegetable protein.
  • Processing of soy protein results in the formation of toxic lysinoalanine and highly carcinogenic nitrosamines.
  • Free glutamic acid or MSG, a potent neurotoxin, is formed during soy food processing and additional amounts are added to many soy foods to mask soy's unpleasant taste.
  • Soy foods contain high levels of aluminum, which is toxic to the nervous system and the kidneys.
Myths and Truths About Soy


Myth: Use of soy as a food dates back many thousands of years.

Truth: Soy was first used as a food during the late Chou dynasty (1134-246 BC), only after the Chinese learned to ferment soybeans to make foods like tempeh, natto, and tamari.

Myth: Asians consume large amounts of soy foods.

Truth: Average consumption of soy foods in Japan and China is 10 grams (about 2 teaspoons) per day. Asians consume soy foods in small amounts as a condiment, and not as a replacement for animal foods.

Myth: Modern soy foods confer the same health benefits as traditionally fermented soy foods.

Truth: Most modern soy foods are not fermented to neutralize toxins in soybeans, and are processed in a way that denatures proteins and increases levels of carcinogens.

Myth: Soy foods provide complete protein.

Truth: Like all legumes, soybeans are deficient in sulfur-containing amino acids methionine and cystine. In addition, modern processing denatures fragile lysine.

Myth: Fermented soy foods can provide vitamin B12 in vegetarian diets.

Truth: The compound that resembles vitamin B12 in soy cannot be used by the human body. In fact, soy foods cause the body to require more B12.

Myth: Soy formula is safe for infants.

Truth: Soy foods contain trypsin inhibitors that inhibit protein digestion and affect pancreatic function. In test animals, diets high in trypsin inhibitors led to stunted growth and pancreatic disorders. Soy foods increase the body's requirement for vitamin D, needed for strong bones and normal growth.

Phytic acid in soy foods results in reduced bioavailabilty of iron and zinc, which are required for the health and development of the brain and nervous system. Soy also lacks cholesterol, likewise essential for the development of the brain and nervous system.

Megadoses of phytoestrogens in soy formula have been implicated in the current trend toward increasingly premature sexual development in girls and delayed or retarded sexual development in boys.

Myth: Soy foods can prevent osteoporosis.

Truth: Soy foods can cause deficiencies in calcium and vitamin D, both needed for healthy bones. Calcium from bone broths and vitamin D from seafood, lard and organ meats prevent osteoporosis in Asian countries—not soy foods.

Myth: Modern soy foods protect against many types of cancer.

Truth: A British government report concluded that there is little evidence that soy foods protect against breast cancer or any other forms of cancer. In fact, soy foods may result in an increased risk of cancer.

Myth: Soy foods protect against heart disease.

Truth: In some people, consumption of soy foods will lower cholesterol, but there is no evidence that lowering cholesterol with soy protein improves one's risk of having heart disease.

Myth: Soy estrogens (isoflavones) are good for you.

Truth: Soy isoflavones are phyto-endocrine disrupters. At dietary levels, they can prevent ovulation and stimulate the growth of cancer cells. Eating as little as 30 grams (about 4 tablespoons) of soy per day can result in hypothyroidism with symptoms of lethargy, constipation, weight gain and fatigue.

Myth:Soy foods are safe and beneficial for women to use in their postmenopausal years.

Truth: Soy foods can stimulate the growth of estrogen-dependent tumors and cause thyroid problems. Low thyroid function is associated with difficulties in menopause.

Myth: Phytoestrogens in soy foods can enhance mental ability.

Truth: A recent study found that women with the highest levels of estrogen in their blood had the lowest levels of cognitive function; In Japanese–Americans, tofu consumption in mid-life is associated with the occurrence of Alzheimer's disease in later life.

Myth: Soy isoflavones and soy protein isolate have GRAS (Generally Recognized as Safe) status.

Truth: Archer Daniels Midland (ADM) recently withdrew its application to the FDA for GRAS status for soy isoflavones following an outpouring of protest from the scientific community. The FDA never approved GRAS status for soy protein isolate because of concern regarding the presence of toxins and carcinogens in processed soy.

Myth: Soy foods are good for your sex life.

Truth: Numerous animal studies show that soy foods cause infertility in animals. Soy consumption enhances hair growth in middle-aged men, indicating lowered testosterone levels.

Myth: Soybeans are good for the environment.

Truth: Most soybeans grown in the US are genetically engineered to allow farmers to use large amounts of herbicides.

Myth: Soybeans are good for developing nations.

Truth: In third-world countries, soybeans replace traditional crops and transfer the value-added of processing from the local population to multinational corporations.
 
I wanted to add this, and its my opinion only. I think soy is pushed so much because its one of the biggest crops grown, also I read somewhere that almost 80% of processed foods have soy in them. Almost all soy is GMO, which means they use glyphosate on them and the soy is also genetically modified to accept the use of glyphosate poisoning. That means you get to eat it too. Those last 3 sentences are not my opinion, but fact.
 
I stay far the hell away from soy. Been doing research too in many medical clinics and their research papers. Does not look good at all. There are so many things wrong with that product on our systems. I use to eat it until I notice every time I did I was dry. Yep, you know where. Not a very good feeling. I decided if it can do that, I won't have it in my body. Stay clear folks. Do your research in well known highly regarded, reputable clinics.

Janie
 
Whoa, this is a lot of information. Thanks folks. :) I do and have been eating soy for quite some time. I think I eat natto twice a week. It is non-GMO and sprouted. I wonder if this makes a difference? Japanese diets (the everyday, not sushi bar) are very rich in soy, buckwheat, and seaweeds. Their epidemiology stats have always impressed me in terms of health, longevity, less metabolic disease etc. I wonder why this is & am officially confused.
I was aware that it's necessary to limit soy and other estrogenic substances (flax, hormone fed dairy etc.) if you having too much estrogen and/or siblings with estrogen dependent cancers. And like Cathlete maggiesedai who has survived breast cancer.

Truth: In third-world countries, soybeans replace traditional crops and transfer the value-added of processing from the local population to multinational corporations.
Now, this just pisses me off!! We do not consume cow related products in our home due to the mass effect it has had over the years to food shortages/starvation. If the overproduction of soy is also doing this, we will not be consuming it. If you have any more information on this, please post when you can.
 
I do and have been eating soy for quite some time. I think I eat natto twice a week. It is non-GMO and sprouted. I wonder if this makes a difference? Japanese diets (the everyday, not sushi bar) are very rich in soy, buckwheat, and seaweeds. Their epidemiology stats have always impressed me in terms of health, longevity, less metabolic disease etc. I wonder why this is & am officially confused.

I was too and I kept going back and forth on this until the research was overwhelming on non-fermented GMO soy. From what I have learned, fermented soy stops the effects of phytic acid and increases the probiotic effect. This is what the soy growers like to write about....that Japanese are the longest lived because of soy, but its non-gmo fermented soy, and they forget to add in their diet is heavy on fish and seaweeds. I love Miso soup, and have delved into natto because it is high in Vitamin K2. But again, we are talking about a couple of teaspoons and in condiments or to flavor soups.
 

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