Sorry...but just a quick question!

Cynthia8828

Cathlete
Cathe:

Sorry, I feel like I have so many questions lately, but this one has me a little freaked out.

I LOVE lifting weights. It is my favorite thing to do. Anyway, I have been very careful to alternate cardio and weights. However, upon finishing the slow and heavy series, I gained 1/2 inch in my thighs. If you could see my thighs, you would know this is NOT a good thing. I notice in pretty much all your strength videos that you lift heavy. Is this something that is common while losing weight (like will my fat come off and expose the muscle), or should I just not lift heavy at all. I love the strength and power from lifting heavy, but my thighs are pretty big already (problem area #1 !!!).

What do you recommend I do? Will it trim down if I just lift light? I WANT muscle definition, so how do I achieve that if I don't lift heavier? I am confused about this...

Thanks so much,
Cynthia
 
Hi Cynthia! There is no exact answer to your question. Some people respond well to heavy weight training while others can put on more muscle than they would like to. If you feel that you are not going in a direction that pleases you, then I would suggest lifting lighter for your legs and see if that helps. Sometimes you have to try a few different ways to lift before you find a way that your genetics gravitate towards. Good Luck!
 
RE: I'm not Cathe but . . .

Hi, Cynthia! Couldn't resist butting in with my $.02 . . .

My personal experience is that every time I graduate myself to a heavier weight load for my leg strength work, I experience a "blossoming" of the thigh muscles and a *ahem* slight tightening of the jeans and skirts . . . and then, as I continue with that new heavier weight load, the new muscle mass packs itself down and I lean up again without reverting to lighter weights. And I'm not exactly a tall drink of water - at 5'3" you'd think I'd be stockier but I'm not.

Is it possible that this could be so for you too - a temporary blossoming of the muscles that will dense up in time?

I'm a huge believer in progressiveness in strength training, and I hate to go back to lighter weight loads!

Another thing: it could be possible, with your increased strength thru the Slow and Heavy series, that you're ready now for more intense cardio work. Do you do Cathe's Interval Max? It's the highest intensity cardio workout on the market IMHO, and makes you appreciate your legs in a whole new way.

Hope this helps - or at least makes sense!

Annette
 
RE: I'm not Cathe but . . .

Thanks Cathe for your response. I guess I still have to tweak this all.


Annette: Thanks so much for your response as well. It certainly has given me something to think about. I have about 10-12 pounds of fat to lose, so I do believe that as I shed that weight, this muscle will show through. I am so confused because so many people say "lighten up, lighten up" but then, how do I ever gain strength and muscle mass. It am "caught between a rock and a hard place" I do have ALL of Cathe's tapes, but I must admit that it has been a while since doing IMAX. I think I will sit down, create a rotation incorporating tapes such as those, and try it for a month.

Do you happen to have a rotation already?

Blessings,
Cynthia
 
RE: To Cynthia . . .

Hi, Cynthia! Thanks for your kind words!

I personally do not follow a formal rotation as do many here on this forum. I teach two high-intensity aqua group fitness classes per week and do three land workouts (each of which has a cardio and strengthening component) per week - that schedule doesn't really lend itself to a rotation and I'm not that interested in it. I rely exclusively on Cathe's workouts for my land cardio work; although I no longer own any stand-alone Cathe strength workouts, I've purchased them in the past and "stolen" those moves and protocols that work the best for me.

That said, I am in total disagreement with those who say you should lighten up your weightloads. I say this for any muscle group you're trying to train. What I suggest you consider doing for variation of strengthening / training in any muscle group is to vary the speed / tempo of the movement you are doing. In my experience, doing a standard weighted squat sequence (down-up-down-up-down-up) is lesser intensity than doing a varied tempo a la Slow And Heavy (down-2-3-4-5-6-UP-UP) or what have you. The longer you stay at the bottom of the movement in a squat or a lunge, the harder that move is.

Thus, I believe a good alternation would be between Slow and Heavy, and a routine where the tempo of the move is constant, rather than lightening your weight loads.

A few suggestions for cardio:

Try incorporating Circuit Max, and do leg stuff ONLY with heavy dumbbells or barbell; don't try to do the upper body stuff but instead save that for another day or after CM;

Bring in Interval Max at least once a week, and commit to getting through all the intervals with no modifications;

One of my favorite Cathe Mix&Match routines (in fact I'm doing it tonight) is:

Interval Max warm-up (the entire 13 minutes)
Body Max step-circuit segment (approximately 20 minutes)
CTX Power Circuit circuit segment (approximately 20 minutes)

Hope this helps. I know I'm in disagreement with many in my position on heavy weights, but considering that I'm pushing 41, am 5'3", wear a size zero in a skirt, and am currently up to 51.5 lbs on my weighted squat and lunge work, maybe I'm onto something.

Catch ya later!

Annette
 
RE: To Cynthia . . .

[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON Jun-20-02 AT 01:29PM (Est)[/font][p]Annette:

You have brought up SEVERAL good points, which was basically my concern. The thing is this...in order to gain strength, I would think you would have to push the muscles. When I push the muscles, I DO gain strength, but this time, with the S&H, I gained 1/2 inch on the thighs as well. However, I got to think that if I keep at it, the lean muscle mass will take over, for better lack of a term, and as the fat is lost, the muscle will show through beautifully. That is my hope, but of course the concern comes in increased inches.

I also run 3x per week, and I believe that will help slim things down. My biggest thing is that I truly believe that once the weight is lost, I should be okay. However, doesn't muscle assist in fat burning. So, you see, it is a "catch 22" I LIKE your recommendation, although I do have add that you are correct, it is not the most popular one. I am going to kick in your little rotation for the next month and see what happens. I will let you know what happens. You know, you suggestion reminds me a lot of the Connelly guy who has the Body RX book. He suggests that women train heavy just like men, and goes through "cycles." Without getting too lengthy, you can check out his site at http://www.bodyrx.com/ My disclaimer: I have NOT done this routine, but several people I know have started it and it sounds a lot like what you are talking about in regards to the weights.

Annette: I truly look forward to giving you an update!!!
 
RE: To Cynthia . . .

Hi, Cynthia! Good to hear from you again!

A few more opinions, neither of which are very popular:

1. I do not believe in using scale weight as a goal, or as a determinant of fitness or aesthetic progress. Scale weight can fluctuate throughout the day, week and month, and does not distinguish between lean mass, storage fat, blood or bone. If you lose a pound of unnecessary storage fat but gain a pound of lean muscle tissue, you've done yourself a double- or triple-good, but the scale is just going to tell you you haven't "lost weight". I see women making unfortunate dietary and exercise decisions on the altar of "losing weight", with a mythical magic number in mind, and then beating themselves up relentlessly because they haven't met that goal - I just don't go there.

2. Yes, muscle mass is metabolically active tissue; thus it is "hungrier" than other types of tissue and requires additional calories to be sustained. I'm not sure of the details or the science behind the "fat burning" theories, but I stand by my position that the stronger your muscles are, the more power you will be able to inject into all of your exercise, AND the more lean muscle mass you have, the better you will metabolize your fuel.

3. Harkening to one of my comments in #1, I also see women making far too many exercise decisions on the altar of "skinny aesthetics", with a really rabid fear of "bulking up". My position is: strength training has health value in and of itself that goes far beyond the lean look - the more you strength train (within safe guidelines) the stronger your muscles AND bones will be, and this will carry you through life wonderfully.

I'd be interested to hear how you fare adding in some of the workouts I've suggested. And just one more comment: fat is not a four-letter word. We've all got padding to some degree or another, and storage fat, again within HEALTY limits, isn't going to kill you OR your looks.

Great cyber-chatting with you!

Annette
:):):):):)
 
RE: To Cynthia . . .

Hello Again Annette and everyone else:

I thought you might find this interesting. He seems to agree with you!!! I got it at www.hussman.org

You really do change from the inside out!!!

From the notes I've received from some of you, the most common concern seems to be that your fat loss seems too slow. After starting a serious fitness program including cardiovascular and weight training, nearly everyone feels better and more energetic almost immediately (aside from the perpetual soreness). But even after several weeks, some people do not see a noticeable change in the mirror, so far as fat is concerned. And the scale! You've busted your bottom for weeks, and there's no change! Of course, if you've really been half-hearted about following your program, it's clear why this may happen, but it can also happen when you have honestly been experiencing intensity every day, and have been careful about limiting your portions. I've received messages from people literally in tears at the frustration. Kid, the road to Easy Street runs through the sewer. You gotta get tough (words spoken to me at 14 by my calculus teacher, Father Arnold Perham).

Here's what's going on. Fat is stored in several places, within the muscle as intramuscular fat (which is why pork is "the other white meat"), around the organs as "visceral fat", and under the skin as "subcutaneous fat". If you're inactive as you get older, the fat starts depositing in the muscles first - the muscle tissue gets "marbelized". After the intramuscular stores are full, the fat spills over to subcutaneous stores, which are more noticeable. Well, now take that process in reverse. Intense exercise (and specifically intense interval training and progressive weight training) tends to draw significantly from the intramuscular stores early on, so instead of seeing a major change in the mirror, you may instead feel your muscles getting firmer and less "mushy". That's a good sign. Don't give up! The subcutaneous fat loss becomes more evident once the intramuscular stores are whittled down a bit.

One of the fears I hear very often comes from women with large thighs and calves. The concern is that weight training will make these even larger. Not true. While it may certainly seem that way occasionally (particularly after you've taken creatine, glutamine or extra carbohydrate and are retaining water), the muscles in your thighs and calves are most likely marbelized with fat. Weight training will actually draw from those intramuscular stores, so that the muscles become leaner and more elongated rather than more bulky. Believe me, unless they use anabolic steroids such as human growth hormone or testosterone, women simply do not strap on bulky muscles through weight training.

Second, if you've been lifting weights, you'll also be adding to muscle mass while you lose fat. The muscles become able to store more glycogen, and every gram of glycogen binds itself to several grams of water within the muscle, so a "pumped" muscle is heavier. Regular exercise also increases blood volume. And since protein synthesis typically goes along with increased cell volume (especially if you're using creatine and glutamine), the scale will be an awful measure of the improvements that are going on metabolically. It's ironic - cell volume, blood volume - exactly the things that will be helping you to get fit, can be the things that initially make you think you're making no progress. Fat calipers are a better measure of progress, but even here, if you vary your pinching technique a little bit, you can get inaccurate readings on a day to day basis. Believe me, you're going to have nights when you look in the mirror and say "all this work, and I look the same", and mornings when you just can't believe the improvement. Don't base your enthusiasm about your fitness program on either of those short-term impressions. Do try to troubleshoot by periodically reviewing your diet, intensity, and variety, but stick with it!

For most people, the initial drop in the scale will probably understate your fat loss in the first few weeks. For very overweight people, the drop on the scale will probably exceed your fat loss. That's particularly true if your diet was very high in carbohydrate before you started. In very overweight individuals, even the increased muscle cell and blood volume is typically less than the initial loss in water weight. A lot of people seem to think that water loss is not "real" weight loss. Well, if your fat level stays the same, that's true. But your body's water retention is largely determined by its fat content. So if you lose the fat, the water stays off as well!

Because of these significant differences in fluid-volume changes, some people will notice immediate changes, while others (and I would expect, most) will see only limited changes for the first 5 weeks or so. That seems like an awfully long time to wait, but remember, fat doesn't "spot reduce" - it comes off in sheets, like an onion. That's why you can estimate your overall bodyfat levels just by measuring at one or two sites. Fat isn't so exquisitely distributed that those estimates are exact, so if you're doing bodyfat readings at just one or two sites, your figures can jump and stall from time to time. The upper body (shoulders, chest, upper abdominal area) generally shows improvement first. But expect that the areas you've always thought were "too fat" will still look too fat for a while, even though you feel good, look "healthier", and can gradually measure that your fat percentage is going down.

There's so much pressure to see quick results that it's easy to forget the point of this, which is quite frankly to save your life. Don't ignore increases in strength and overall feeling of health and well-being. Those are goals too.

Dr. Hussman
 
RE: To Cynthia . . .great passage!

That passage from Dr. Hussman was awesome! I'm printing it and framing it! Thanks too for the direction to Dr. Hussman's website!

Catch ya later!

Annette
 
RE: To Cynthia . . .

Cynthia..
Thanks for the great article!! I wish more people truly believed in those concepts!!

What I have learned about many women though, is, no matter what you know and try to pass on to them (when you are more educated on the subject of exercise and fitness), the don't ever listen!! They will nod their head in agreement pretending to agree with you, but really they are thinking back to that "time" in their lives where they were 20 or 30 pounds thinner. They just revert back and do everything they were doing then...regardless of how healthy it is for them!!!!

I am sure Annete can relate to this. Most people don't seem to want to increase their understanding of exercise and nutrition and the physiological aspects of it. They just want someone to cut off their arm if that means a 20 pound loss on the scale.

The article was very informative and reflects everything I blab to all my female friends everyday....and they never listen!!! Thanks again....Janice
 
Hello Janice:

I am glad that you like the article. I love his entire web site. Anyway, I have heard for quite some time people saying this, but since I actually DID experience a bit of increase in my thighs, I got nervous. However, I must add that I carry a good amount of extra body fat there. I believe, in time, with proper diet and continued strength, cardio, and interval training, the fat will be gone (to some extent), and the muscle that I worked so hard for will come through. I am going to continue lifting heavy and see what happens. I have NOTHING to lose, eh?

God Bless,
Cynthia
 

Our Newsletter

Get awesome content delivered straight to your inbox.

Top