QUESTIONING AUTHORITY

Shakeubooty,

I was also born and raised Catholic - and consiously left it in my mid-twenties. The Catholic church as an organization is very authoritarian, and for many of us that's where we first came in contact with attitudes that didn't jive with personal values and beliefs that were handed down by authority figures that we were supposed to trust, and chose to question them.

Case in point - at the age of 11, I had my first ever taste of gender discrimination. Our priest (who was rather "old school") came into my catechism class looking for someone to serve as an alter boy that Saturday, since neither of the two boys there could do it, I volunteered and was met with an emphatic "NO", because "girls just aren't allowed to do that". This attitude of girls as second class citizens certainly didn't hold true in my family or school life, so it made me ask a lot of "why's" of the church. I felt very betrayed by this.

Granted, this was 20-some odd years ago, but the attitude I encountered at that time was rather EXCLUSIVE, as in good people for no good reason being treated as substandard in the organization of the Catholic church because they were divorced, homosexual, pro-choice, etc.

Maybe things have changed, according to my mother, the priest who runs that parish now is very INCLUSIVE with members of the community. I'll check out the link you posted - maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.

However, I prefer, as Connie put it, in having no middleman between me and God.

Sorry this thread has gotten so deep into religious discussion, but it really is the first place where so many butted heads with authority.
 
I attended Catholic school in the 70s (Gee, that makes me sound old - I'm only 40) and it was never even considered that a girl would serve as an "altar boy". Today, we have male and female servers. I guess I respected authority too much as a child to question things like this. If the priests, nuns, and my parents said it was so, that was it. (I was kind of a shy kid.)

I, like you, strayed away from the church in my 20s but came back when I married. My kids are baptized in the Catholic church and my youngest will celebrate his 1st Communion in May. Both have received the sacrament of Reconciliation and it was during their preparation for the sacraments, some of the teachings of the church became clear. I learned, for example, that Reconciliation is not about making you feel bad about yourself but rather it's about God's forgiveness. Our pastor said the sacrament was like getting a big hug from God. :)

I don't agree with all the church's teachings. For example, I believe women should be allowed to be priests but that's not enough to abandon my religion.

I don't consider the Catholic church as my middleman. Our pastor preaches that we all have our own personal relationship with God. He helps us understand the teachings of the church and how to apply these teachings to our everyday life. We have such a fabulous parish community and that makes a big difference.

It's also been my experience in most cases that people who say they are against organized religion usually use that as an excuse not to go to church.

As far as questioning authority, I think it's good to do. My point in my previous point was to make sure you ask the right person. Asking my Mom why we couldn't eat meat on Friday was sure to get an answer of the sort "Because you'll go hell" or "Because I say so". Asking a priest would provide a meaningful, insightful revelation into the origins and history behind it.
 
To Shakeubooty,

I went to the site you named. I simply do not agree with the teachings on it. (Mary, ever virgin, etc.) Even though all the Catholics I know are very nice people.

Instead, I choose to read the Bible. Even though it contradicts the Catholic church, I trust the Bible more.

Just my choice.

There are several good versions in English. New American Standard, New International Version, and the Living Bible are all excellent. The King James uses a lot of old obsolete words and expressions which render them meaningless. Fortunately hard workers have used the original Hebrew and Greek texts, including the Dead Sea Scrolls, to render the most exquisitely accurate translations into modern English.


Connie
 
I agree Candi. I really do.

For those of you that are "open" and don't mind a good "laugh"

www.bettybowers.com.

Be warned, if you are offened my religious jokes, funny, etc... don't bother looking. I myself really enjoy this site and it makes me smile.
 
Hi Skakeubooty - You're really lucky to have such a nice parish community. I agree that makes such a huge difference, particularly when you're young. I wish the priest who currently oversees my childhood parish was around when I was a kid. It probably would have been a much more positive experience.

Autumn - My Dad used to try to make my sisters and I eat the fat from meat too! Yuck!! When we asked him why, he'd say "'cause it'll put hair on your chest". Like that was going to convince three pre-teen girls to do it. Nobody bothered to tell my Dad that he didn't have boys. :D
 
When I look back at my childhood experiences...well maybe that explains it! Nevermind.

You guys are too funny! Where do you find those websites????!!!!
 
Conni -

I don't know how you can say the Catholic church contradicts what's in the Bible when we have 3 readings from the Bible every Sunday. The Bible is a very complex writing and most of us need help interpreting what is being said. You can't take what's written in the Bible literally - most people know this. Also, different religions interpret the Bible differently. Priests in their homilies (sermon) during mass help us interpet the readings and apply them to our everyday lives.

I believe in religious choice. You've made your choice but please refrain from spreading misinformation about the Catholic church. That's all I ask.

Sorry to keep this thread alive but I'm getting too old to just sit back and let things slide like I would have in my younger days.

Sue
 

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