Question for teachers (long)

I was not trying to trash the profession.

You were a "pre-service" teacher once. I have a lot more experience than an uneducated fool!!!!

For the record, I was trying to help a parent in need. I have been in situations where I needed advice too.

Now, maybe you can answer this question, "why are we stupid in america? (have you ever seen this special on 20/20?)The educational system is messed up. My goal is to make a contribution to fix it. If that means dealing with teachers who think they know everthing and can say anything, then so be it.

Thanks for your wonderful insight on pre-service teachers! Greatly appreciated!!!!

Sara
 
Erica,

I have to say good luck with this issue. I have one child in school and we have had many issues as well. He is a very smart child (well beyond what he is doing in class)and has excellent behavior, yet his teacher (supposed to be one of the best) will do things I don't agree with. It sucks...I know!

I have been a bit offended here by some replies to my reply. Why people chose to do this I don't know??? I guess it makes them feel better to cut others down???

However, I have found it very helpful to talk with other parents rather than teachers when I have a problem. I don't ever get good advice from a teacher's point of view (except my mom...she is the best teacher I have ever known!)

That is all I can contribute to this thread. I guess now I know to stay away from threads that ask teachers for advice...being that I am only a "pre-service" teacher and my advice is foolish ;).

I only gave my advice because I care and I know where you are coming from. I hope you feel better and your issue can become resolved!

Sara
 
Erica,

I have been a teacher for 30+ years. I feel that if you have an issue with a particular teacher...then go directly to the teacher to express your concerns. I would most definitely make another appointment to speak with her. Tell her how you feel and why. Just remember...there are two sides to every story and there are many ways to deal with situations. You need to be open and honest. Every teacher I know would take a parent's concerns and wishes seriously. Good luck with your situation.
 
Erica,

If you suspect a learning disability, you should speak with the guidance counselor. You can also make an independent appt with a psychologist who specializes in these issues (check with guidance or call a local university in your area who may be able to direct you). There are batteries of tests which can help flush out learning disabilities.

FWIW, giving contradictory instructions (written vs. verbal) is a huge issue and I would take that up with her. She needs to understand that this is confusing to the students. Show her specific examples of what you mean. If she is unwilling to admit this is problematic, again, contact the guidance counselor for assistance.

Good luck!
Marie
 
Marie,

Great advice!!!

I think what would break my heart is seeing my child sit there and fight back tears. That would bother me to no end. If anybody makes my child cry or sad....watch out world!!!! (dh will have to hold me back ;))

Sara
 
Actually, if the teacher's written directions differ from her verbal ones concerning an assignment, then you must bring this to her attention. This is her mistake and your child, and who knows what others, is paying for it. How can he possibly please her and do his best work if he is always trying to guess what she wants? Do not let her off the hook with this one. As an instructor at a university, I know how important teacher preparation and consistency matters. A whole lot.

Clare
 
Thank you!!

Thanks to all of you for taking the time to reply - I really appreciate and value your opinions.

I contacted the teacher and we will be meeting next week. :)

I need to clarify what I said earlier about the teacher giving instructions in class that don't match the written instructions. What I should have said is that the teacher gives additional instructions that go beyond what the written instructions say. For example, a recent written assignment asked for personal reactions to a story they had read. In class, however, the teacher stated that she wanted personal reactions related to other books they had read or things that had happened in their life. My son didn't do this - he wrote how he felt reading parts of the story and why. When I checked the assigment, I thought he had done it correctly, but it was all wrong. His twin brother did it correctly, so obviously the teacher did explain this in class. I am going to bring this paper to the conference and show the teacher how much work he put into this assigment even though he did it incorrectly as an example that he is not a lazy student. He did as much work as the students who did it correctly, he just had the wrong idea. He also has fine motor delays, so writing can be difficult for him. The teacher is aware of that (or she should be since I told her that in the beginning of the school year) and I will show her how much writing he does on all of his assigments.

Thanks again!

Erica
 
ERica, some people on this forum already know some of the difficulties I have had with my daughter, but we are slowly trudging uphill. We have always felt she was wired differently, and actually had the school test her in 5th grade. They found she was of average intelligence, extremely right brained, but not needing special services. she also had an eye issue that was caught in 4th grade, and while she did therapy to correct this, I now strongly believe this skewed the testing results to a certain extent.

In 5th grade we asked for and got a teacher that was no nonsense, my way or the highway, but interesting and animated. We also asked for special math and reading. She was transfered into regular reading within 3 weeks, because she did not need the special reading, but she remained in the Math class all year, and it really helped her. 5th grade was a good year.

In 6th grade she moved to the middle school, and it was a disaster. Bad grades in every class. We struggled with her, we worked with her teachers, and by the end of the year, she was doing OK.

In 7th grade, things just got worse and worse, to the point that I was really worried about her mental health as well. This was the point that we decided to have her tested by an outside psychologist recommended by a friend. This was one of the best things we did and although not cheap, well worth the money.

My daughter has a gifted IQ, but has a visual learning disability and is a verbal learner. So things like reading the textbooks, taking notes, are disastrous. The 5th grade teacher was very verbal in her teaching, hence she did well. She is also ADHD - inattentive, the type of ADHD that gets missed. She is the quiet kid, that is sitting in the back of the room daydreaming....and missing every single instruction the teacher is giving.

Armed with this evaluation, we went back to the school and now was able to set up meetings with the social worker, the psychologist and all the teachers to explore how to help her. One problem we have is now that she is older, she does not want the stigma of special education, nor will she take any ADHD meds. So we are doing "quiet" intervention. She sits at the front of the classroom. The teachers are in touch with me immediately if she starts having difficulty turning in assignments. They also give me extra review materials before tests. I am in touch with them immediately if I see an area that she is struggling with and she can use extra help. We utilize her friends to help her remember things, and when I found the Science section she was in was filled with disruptive kids, with the teachers blessing, I contacted the principal to move her to a different section, and it was done two days later.

She goes to HS next year, and the junior high people will be putting us in contact with her counslers so we can figure out the best combination of teachers and times so that she succeeds.

About conferences with kids. We tried that last year, and it was horrible. My daughter does not want bad grades, she is trying, and it is frustrating to take a test, think you did well, only to fail, which she does time and time again. And when you verbally quiz her, she knows it. So taking her to a conference and having the teachers tell her she could do better, just made her very tearful, not a good situation, and we will not have her in there again. One thing I did this fall, is I met with the 4 main teachers separately. I put the two classes she struggles with first, and saved the language arts class, which she excels in last. So when we left the school, we left on a high note, after talking to a teacher who told us she would love 20 of our daughter. So if you have to bring your child, set your conferences up to leave on a high note.

About teachers. Every teacher we have worked with in the public school system and the administrators as well have bent over backwards to help my daughter. I think it is because we came in there and said, here is the problem, we are willing to put extreme effort into helping her, but we need your help. All of them came to the table ready to help and implement a plan that would work for her. These teachers are dealing with things that we did not have to deal with when young. I have spent a lot of time volunteering in the classroom, and teachers are doing the very best with the hand they are given. Sara, your statement was very broad, blaming teachers. Teach a few years and see how you feel. It is very easy to critisize when you have not dealt with what these teachers have been dealing with for years and years.
 
UPDATE!

I had the follow-up conference with the teacher today and thought it went very well. I got a better idea of why the teacher thought that my son wasn't trying and I feel like she has a better understanding of his work habits/personality.

I read all of your replies again this morning before the conference so I would be better prepared on how to handle things. All of you were so helpful - thank you so much! :)

Erica
 

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