Question about screenings

Stephanie0523

Cathlete
Hi guys. I'm 34 years old and about 8 weeks along and I go for my next OB appointment in two weeks. At that time, they can do blood tests and a special ultrasound that will screen for Downs Syndrome and some other possible challenges. I am on the fence as to whether to have these tests. Part of me wants to have the ultrasound just so I can see the baby and see how he or she is growing and if everything is OK. But if this combination of tests turns out to be "positive" then the next step would be amniocentesis, which I definitely would not do. There are often false positives with these screenings, and so I'd just be in limbo until the baby is born. We didn't have the blood screenings with my two sons because we didn't want to know. They were our babies to love unconditionally, and we thought knowing about any possible problems in advance would be unnecessary. But this time they've added the ultrasound to the group of screening, so we're on the fence. Anyone else face similar judgment calls?
 
For me and my preg I vote no. I feel how you do about dealing with whatever comes our way. And more research is showing that u/s could be harmful because of the u/s waves going over the baby's open nerves of the brain. (I think I have that part right). That's why some babies are "wigglers" for the u/s - it hurts them and they are trying to get away.

My best friend went thru a NIGHTMARE of false positives. It came down to their baby had a 1 in 8 chance of having Downs. They did the amnio and now have a healthy baby. Watching her go thru that was terrible - LOTS of tears. I've never seen anything like it.

But it IS so much fun to see your wee one! Good luck w/ whatever you decide.
 
Thanks Kate,
DH thinks we should, but I agree with you. We probably will opt to not have it done. I hadn't heard that about the ultrasound being harmful. That's good to know.

Congrats on your pregnancy! My due date is Oct. 9, and this will be our third too!! :)
 
My due date is Oct. 9, and this
>will be our third too!! :)

Well, I'm in good company then! How have you been feeling? Of all my pg's this one is the worst. With the other 2 it was non-stop vomiting but with this one I am nauseous but CANT throw up. I wish I could - I think I would feel better. It's throwing off my appetite AND workouts! Bummer. Oh well - like DH says "you're doing the most important job". Wish he'd remember that when he leaves his dishes and clothes out - LOL!!:+
 
I no longer have genetic testing done, because if there is a problem, I'll just deal with it at the time. My regular ultrasound would tell us if there was some sort of major physical medical issue that needed special attention, like a heart defect or something.

I do have one child with downs syndrome. He was conceived when I was 32, before I was in the "danger zone". I know it's no one's first choice, but I wouldn't trade him for anything. Downs isn't the end of the world. I don't think that knowing ahead of time really would have prepared us anyway.

Just my $0.02.

Praying that you have a healthy pregnancy and baby.

Maggie:)
 
I haven't heard about ultrasounds being unhealthy for the baby. That is news to me and something I will look into. There are some good things that can come from an ultrasound. If you have had no trouble with your other pregnancies then they usually want to do one to make sure that your baby is growing. There is nothing you are going to do differently and you will certainly love the baby no matter what. I have to have a cervical ultrasound every two weeks with my current pregnancy because I had a premature baby last time and they don't want to run the risk of it happening again. I agree with you that I would not have an amnio...there are too many things that can go wrong. Hope this helps.
 
i also vote no, unless you are going to change something. if you are not then what is the point? i didnt get the screenings done. they would be able to pick some things up in a u/s.

goodluck
 
We passed on it, too.
With the amount of false positives involved, in addition to the fact that we would not choose to terminate the pregnancy in the event of a positive, we saw no point in having it done.

Plus, I would not have an amnio either.

The doctor told us that if we would not terminate the pregnancy, and that if we were the type that would "knowing" would only add stress (which I am), we should not bother with it.

Our 20 week ultrasound showed a healthy little man in there, and that's all we needed to see.
 
Thanks for your responses. I think I do want to pass on the tests.

Kate: today I flipped to nine weeks. Time is flying this time around. And, I like you, have felt the worst this third time. I'm SO tired and very nauseated this time around. No vomiting, just icky feeling constantly, and no food sounds good except for bready foods and bad-for-you foods. Sunday was the first time I was able to choke down a salad. All things green have made me want to gag, and pre-preg I was eating pretty clean. And my poor Cathe DVDs are just sitting and collecting dust. Oh well. Second trimester will be here soon!

Maggie: Thanks for sharing your story. I agree that knowing does nothing to prepare parents ahead of time. No matter what, this baby will be loved for who he or she is --we already love him/her.

Mabdoo: I had an ultrasound when I went to the doc two weeks ago to confirm the pregnancy. I have nothing against ultrasounds. I just didn't know if I wanted this particular one that they do to find potential challenges. I plan on definitely having my 20-week ultrasound. I can't wait to find out the gender!!

Melissa: Thanks!

Melimcm: That's exactly where I stand right now. And I think DH will respect my wishes. Good luck on your little man! Is it your first boy? I have two (ages 3 and 6), and let me tell you, they are SO special!!
 
Stephanie, I could've wrote your response to me! I used to NEVER eat bready foods and now that's all that seems to tame the beast. Miraculously I've been doing a little better y'day and today. I've worked out 2 days in a row and hoping to again tonight.

Check in with us!! We'd love to have you!
 
I went through this. I was nervous about getting a false positive and even if something were wrong, we would have still kept the baby. What made me decide to go through with the screenings (Nuchal Translucency - checking for downs, other types of chromosome abnormalities and spina bifida) is that I wanted to make sure that there were specialists on hand at delivery if need be. That was the deciding factor for me. That and having peace of mind that the baby is okay.


I read the biggest reasons for getting false positives is being off on your dates, or the doctor being off on your dates. I was sure about my dates because I was charting so that helped me somewhat decide too.


I'm 39 and all my screenings came back a-okay.

ETA: I don't believe that ultrasounds are harmful for the baby. There's no proof of that. Studies have shown that they are very safe and not hazardous. They have never been shown to cause any harmful affects to a fetus. They're very good at determining if something is wrong and if so, specialists can intervene and be there at the time of delivery.
 
Dani,
I have decided against it, but you make a very good argument. DH really wants it just so he can see the baby. He missed the first ultrasound (which didn't show much because I was only 7 weeks along). I am sure about my dates, but the thing that holds me back is if there happens to be a positive result, then I definitely don't want an amnio done, and I'd be left wondering, "Was it a false positive, or a positive positive?" for the duration of the pregnancy. I'm a very obsessive person, but I've done so much better this time around. Maybe because it's our third and probably last and I want to enjoy the pregnancy. Selfish, I know, but no matter what, we are having this baby and loving this baby (already do), so I've decided to not do the screenings. The idea of having specialists nearby is great, though. And I'll definitely talk more to my doctor about this on my next appointment.
 
>Dani,
>I have decided against it, but you make a very good argument.
>DH really wants it just so he can see the baby. He missed the
>first ultrasound (which didn't show much because I was only 7
>weeks along). I am sure about my dates, but the thing that
>holds me back is if there happens to be a positive result,
>then I definitely don't want an amnio done, and I'd be left
>wondering, "Was it a false positive, or a positive positive?"
>for the duration of the pregnancy. I'm a very obsessive
>person, but I've done so much better this time around. Maybe
>because it's our third and probably last and I want to enjoy
>the pregnancy. Selfish, I know, but no matter what, we are
>having this baby and loving this baby (already do), so I've
>decided to not do the screenings. The idea of having
>specialists nearby is great, though. And I'll definitely talk
>more to my doctor about this on my next appointment.
>
>
>

Hi Stephanie!!
I don't think I could have gone through an amnio either. My plan was if the results came back positive (which doesn't mean the baby actually has anything ...it's just the risk is higher)I would have had them do the test again double checking my dates. If it still came back positive (high risk), I would have had them confirm the findings with the Level II ultrasound. I don't think I would have gone any further than that testing wise and would love my baby no matter what.

When my doc was talking to me about the screenings he told me about having specialists nearby if need be, and that's what sold me.

Aw, you're not selfish at all. You are doing what you feel is best!
 
Dani: What's the difference between a regular ultrasound and a Levil II ultrasound? (You make lots of good points, and maybe I should revisit this issue. My doc seemed a little surprised that I may not want to have it done, so most of her patients must have the screening done...)
 
>Dani: What's the difference between a regular ultrasound and
>a Levil II ultrasound? (You make lots of good points, and
>maybe I should revisit this issue. My doc seemed a little
>surprised that I may not want to have it done, so most of her
>patients must have the screening done...)

You would usually have this done at your 20 week appt.

Here's some info on Level II U/S:

A Level 2 Ultrasound, also called a targeted ultrasound, is conducted specifically to look for particular markers based upon what was found in the initial ultrasound or triple screen. Perhaps the initial ultrasound found a choroid plexus cyst or the baby is small for gestational age. Or perhaps a triple screen result indicated higher than normal odds for a chromosomal condition. In those cases, a level 2 ultrasound is often recommended. This is another screening test that does not diagnose Trisomy 18 but gives more information about the odds of its presence.

A perinatologist, fetal medicine specialist, or someone else who specializes in high-risk pregnancies and who is trained to look for the markers of chromosomal disorders typically conducts level 2 ultrasounds. These markers are soft markers and structural markers. Soft markers are characteristics frequently seen on babies with the disorder, and structural markers are abnormalities in organ and bone formation.

Some of these markers for Trisomy 18 are as follows:

clenched hands, choroid plexus cysts, rocker bottom feet, delayed growth, heart defects such as VSD, ASD, and coarctation, kidney abnormalities, omphalocele, esophageal atresia, and polyhydramnios (excess amniotic fluid)




What is meant by a Level II ultrasound examination?

Answer:

A level II ultrasound examination refers to a 'targeted' examination. This is usually performed at a perinatal center where more expertise in ultrasound scanning is available. Situations when a level II scan is ordered include:
suspected fetal anomaly during a level I examination, severe IUGR, elevated maternal-serum AFP, Oligohydramnios, polyhydramnios, two-vessel umbilical cord detected at the level I examination, fetal cardiac arrhythmia, and exposure to drugs or chemicals in the first trimester....etc. Detailed scanning for any congenital anomalies and growth abnormalities is done on top of the basic documentations obtained at the level I examination, which refers to:
in the first trimester,
a. documentation of the location of the gestational sac.
b. documentation of the crown-rump length.
c. documentation of the presence or absence of fetal life.
d. evaluation of the uterus (including cervix) and adnexa.
in the second and third trimester,
a. documentation of fetal life, number, and presentation.
b. documentation of an estimate of amniotic fluid volume.
c. documentation of placental location.
d. documentation of gestational age. Assessment of the BPD, FL, AC and othe fetal parameters.
e. documentation of basic fetal anatomy (including a basic 4 chamber view of the heart, spine, stomach, kidneys, bladder, umbilical cord insertion ... etc ).


One should not not dwell too much on the definitions or guildlines for a level II ultrasound scan. In a level II scan the sonologist should try as hard as he can to look for and assess any abnormality that is present in the fetus. It's meaningless to be thinking about level III or even level IV scans.
 
Dani, Thanks for the info! I am embarrassed to say that I thought all ultrasounds were equal (and here it is my third time around). This is good to know.

I have been overwhelmed by everyone's thoughtfulness in sharing information and opinions with me. Thanks so much for taking time to do this! I really, really appreciate it!
 
This is my 4th pregnancy. I never did the triple screen, etc. tests because the false positive rate was too high. However, the combined test with the u/s is a more accurate screening tool. I did the combined test at 12 weeks. (and I loved the ultrasound sneak peek)

My logic was that I'd proceed with pregnancy regardless of the outcome, but I'd want to be prepared for a special needs child. for instance, if I had a child who needed special services, I'd probably consider moving to another school district.
 
>Dani, Thanks for the info! I am embarrassed to say that I
>thought all ultrasounds were equal (and here it is my third
>time around). This is good to know.
>
>I have been overwhelmed by everyone's thoughtfulness in
>sharing information and opinions with me. Thanks so much for
>taking time to do this! I really, really appreciate it!

You're welcome! :D
 

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