Overeats at night -- please help!

aveggiegirl

Cathlete
What is wrong with me? I hope someone can help to straighten me out! I get up and work out first thing in the morning. I work hard, very hard. All of my meals and snacks during the day are pretty much measured out and I am sure to to make sure I am getting good carbs and protein just about every time I eat. I eat frequently (evey few hours) and I know I am getting enough to eat during the day. I eat until I'm satisfied. Then it happens. Dinner time. I stuff myself and then some. I just don't even want to stop eating. I like to eat, even though I know I've had enough. Sometimes I can't wait until my husband leaves the room so I can eat more! (I tattle on myself the next day, Ha ha.) And at night I'm not eating my measured nuts or broccoli. It's more like SEVERAL spoons of peanut butter or pretzels, Lucky Charms (I love the charms), candy, etc. I never eat candy during the day. It would be a mortal sin! You get the picture. Then I hate myself in the morning and the cycle continues. I used to be able to get away with it but it seems like once I turned 36 something happened. I'm almost 38 and I know I need to stop. Can anyone out there relate or give me some good advice?
 
I can completely relate to you. If my eating matched my workouts, I would be in perfect shape!!!!
I don't do it everyday, and I can go a few weeks "being really good", but eventually (like last night), I eat out of control, to the point where I feel sick because I LOVE FOOD!!!!! I came on here just now looking for a reason NOT to eat the ice cream in the freezer!!!!
I wonder what is wrong with me, and why I love to eat so much. I don't know if it is emotional, boredom, or just because I love food.
I wish I could help you (and myself)!!!
 
I never eat candy during the day. It would be a mortal sin! You get the picture. Then I hate myself in the morning and the cycle continues. I used to be able to get away with it but it seems like once I turned 36 something happened. I'm almost 38 and I know I need to stop.

I think this is what strikes me the most in your post. I look at what yout post and I see myself as I started a yo-yo dieting career that drove me into a downward spiral that I thought I would never get out of again.

I just want to briefly touch on my background, so you understand where I am coming from. I was never overweight as child or teenager, weighed between 120 to 130 lbs as an adult, had my first son at 31 and shed all the baby weight within 4 months. Moved from Europe to America and things changed. By the third year I lived here, I had gained about 20 lbs, different lifestyle, different food, etc. then I got pregnant again and my OB/GYN referred me to a clinical dietician/nutritionist because I was gaining weight too fast. She put me on a low-fat and somewhat restricted calorie diet and disaster began.

I would measure every morsel according to the instructions of the dietician. Within 7 to 10 days on the diet I had uncontrollable hunger pangs, mostly at night, couldn't control it with willpower anymore, and let me tell you I wasn't craving carrots and celery stick. By the time I went to the hospital to deliver my son, I weighed 225 lbs :eek: A co-worker told me about a nutritionist who could help me lose the weight. Low-fat diet, 1400 calories and I had started working out with Cathe CTX. I started losing weight the first week, and the hunger pangs started again, with sheer willpower I made it through 2 weeks of the diet resisting the hunger attacks, until I caved in again, gained everything that I had lost and then some. Me, who had never dieted before went through any restrictive diet out there, Atkins, Zone, SouthBeach, low-fat, low-carb, no carb, high-carb ....... you get the picture, some under the supervision of nutritionists, some on my own. My hunger attacks and my weight spiraled out of control until I realized that I needed to address the distorted relationship with food that I had developed over the years by constantly dieting and reading about nothing but diet and exercise.

Here is what I have found and what has helped me turn this ship around.

Traditional diets are teaching us that in order to lose weight we must count calories, fat, or carbs, or both, we have to deprive ourselves, we have to sacrifice. Calories, carb, fat and protein counting starts overtaking our life, every food is looked at as good or bad food. Diets tell us exactly what and how much food to eat, regardless of our preferences and individual relationships with hunger, every morsel is weighed, every cup is premessured, eat every 3 hours, eat every 5 hours, eat 3 meals, eat 6 meals...... It makes us think if we eat anything that is not on the diet or is not a diet food that we are BAD. The next meal and what we can eat is constantly on our mind and overtakes everything else we are doing.


We grow tired of the constant chasing in grocery stores after produce that is not in season, ingredients that are hard to find, cutting, preparing and cooking that takes forever, the hunger, the lack of flavor, the lack of flexibility, the lack of energy, and the feeling of deprivation. Eventually our body gets tired of the constant deprivation, resulting in hunger pangs and binge eating. We quit our diets, gain back the weight we've lost (and then some) and beat up on ourselves for being a loser and quitting yet another diet.

With every new diet the weight becomes more difficult to lose, and we become even more frustrated and discouraged. Then we eat more and exercise less, causing ourselves even more frustration, discouragement, depression, starting a vicious cycle. We begin asking ourselves "Why bother?" We start blaming ourselves for having no will power.

Many of us are perfectionist who start every diet with great intentions, we do everything we are asked, we weigh every morsel of food and we are so good about everything we put in our mouth. On diets, we distrust and ignore internal signs of appetite, hunger, and our need to be physically and psychologically satisfied. Instead, we depend on diet plans, measured portions, and a prescribed frequency for eating. We are so emerged in our eating plan and measure ourselves on how we comply with that plan. If we stick with it we are "good", if we don't stick with the plan we are "bad", hate ourselves in the morning and start punishing ourselves by restricting the diet even more.

As a result, many of us have lost the ability to eat in response to our physical needs; we experience feelings of deprivation, then binge, and finally terminate our "health" program. This in turn leads to guilt, defeat, weight gain, low self-esteem, and then we're back to the beginning of the yo-yo diet cycle. Rather than making us feel better about ourselves, diets set us up for failure and erode our self-esteem.

I don't know what you are currently eating, it just sounds to me you are in a rut and the binge eating in the evening indicates that you probably don't eat enough calories during day. How is your fat intake? I found that my binge eating was triggered by the lack of fat in my food (nutritionist had put me on as low as 20 g per day and 1200 calories with daily Cathe workouts, I am 5'7" - needless to say it was a disaster). I keep my macronutrient intake around those values

25 - 30 % fat
45 - 55 % carbs
20 - 25 % protein

My calories range anywhere between 1,600 and 2,300 calories depending on my workout but I don't track it every day either. I try to eat as healthy and "clean" as possible but I won't restrict anything, if everyone has pizza, I will have a slice of pizza, I will NOT drink skim milk, I have 2 % dairy products and if I want to have cheese I eat a small piece and he!! is gonna freeze over before I scrape the frosting off the cake (sorry Tosca). I will have anything in moderation, I just try to balance it out over the week. I don't obsess about the food anymore, I enjoy eating it and I have no more hunger pangs and binge eating attacks.

In fact, over the last 6 weeks with staying on that eating "plan" and doing Cardio Coach as my primary cardio workout plus 2 to 3 Cathe strength workouts I have lost 21 lbs and 8 % bodyfat, I am down 2 dress sizes and I have more energy than ever before.

Sorry about the lengthy post, I hope it helps though.
 
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I'd just like to chime in and let you know I ride this yucky cycle every day too! I get up and go to work and eat very well during the day, but it seems like once 9 o'clock or so hits, all of my willpower goes out the door. In fact, I just ate a whole box of froot loops in one sitting. (I know, I'm so gross to admit that!)
I too will be interested on any suggestions and/or advice...
 
I get the night munchies too and for a long time when I was on weight watchers, that was the biggest challenge I had to overcome! (Went from 160 lbs to a rather shapeless, flabby 102 lbs, which is why I wanted to get back into a shape of some kind with Cathe). :)

I second the poster above who says you need to re-examine your food intake to see if you are eating enough to support all your activity. When I first started exercising, I was still eating calories for someone who did no exercise at all and my hunger was ravenous. It's actually kind of fun to find out that you have to eat more. :)

Also, if you can, try to get rid of the snacks that are your downfall. If they aren't in the house, you can't eat them (although I can understand it may not be possible if you have kids, a hubby, etc. who won't do without those things).

Another change that I made was really focusing on what I was snacking on. I look for spicy, yummy "healthy" stuff that I find irresistable. I have jars of cashews and wasabi soy almonds that I love and that satisfy that craving with only a few pieces and provide fat/protein macros. I drink one full sports bottle of flavored water before I allow myself to "cheat" (sometimes we confuse thirst with hunger and the water fills up your tummy so you can't eat as much). And if I really REALLY crave ice cream or chocolate, I have Skinny Cow ice cream sandwiches and Weight watchers desserts which are really good tastewise and pre-portioned for you.

Hope this helps and look forward to seeing other tips from people who overcame their night munchies too.
 
I have the same problem. I have no problem during the day but once it is night I will literally eat just about anything. Sometimes I think it is because I am tired and should really just go to bed. Sometimes I think I am just bored and if I could find something else to do--like knit-that does help. The only time I really was able to control this was when I was on Atkins many years ago- I would have jello and then a decaf expresso and that did it. In the winter herbal tea will help. I don't overdue dinner at all but it is after dinner that the whole thing just kicks in. I have bought single serving ice cream so that helps as I will never go back and eat another. I thought that this might just play itself out but I have to admit it has been going on for a long time.
 
You've already got some great advice! I just wanted to let you know that your not alone! I too have a VERY hard time eating healthy after my supper.

One thing that has helped me at night is eating a big breakfast and making sure i eat my snacks during the day.

My eating at night is such a bad habit,and its so hard to break. But the feeling of accomplishment the next morning is so worth it! Besides,if i can just get through one night of avoiding the cravings...it gets easier!


Very interesting thread!
 
Could have done this shorter, I guess I was in a divulgatory mode yesterday. Sorry :confused:

I think the point I was trying to make, is, that the fact that your are going on those "binges" indicates that your body is missing something. If that is calories, fat, vitamins ...... I don't know.

You can eat enough calories but if you don't get enough nutrients (macro and micro) for your body the nightly binging will continue. And by the way, just popping a vitamin pill will not do the trick in most cases.

Try and track everything you eat for a while. I haven't signed up for the Cathe nutrition software yet, but it looks fabulous since it not only counts your carbs, protein and fat intake but also your vitamins and minerals, and it rates you. You can even get suggestions as to what to eat. I heard many people have had great success so far with this program.

HTH
 
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I don't think it really has anything to do with nutrients. I think it is a HABIT like smoking that is really hard to break and perhaps has to do with other issues like boredom, tired, lonely whatever. I just threw those out as suggestions. If I can get involved in something like knitting, journal writing, painting I do not eat. I like one thing that was mentioned. I always see it as just stopping and never doing it again. But maybe if I take it one night at a time--tonight I am not going to eat. That might help. I have a husband and 2 adult sons and they do not have this issue at all. They will eat dinner, eat dessert later on and that is it. Believe me if they are at home I keep this from them as I can't stand any comments about you are eating again! By the way I am not overweight but would like to be maybe 5 lbs. lighter and feel if I stopped this bingeing I would get there fast.
 
Are you watching TV in the evenings?

IMO, TV promotes bad late night eating. The food commercials are endless!
I think Phyliss is right. You need to find an activity that will take your mind off of food. Believe me, my husband and I struggle with the late night urge for munchies if we're watching TV.
What works for us is a late night walk or sometimes if the urge to eat is so bad, I'll jump on my elliptical for 20 minutes or so. That zaps food cravings too!
 
I agree with hiitdogs in that your body may be missing something. You might look at your micro-nutrient intake in foods, especially minerals.
Most people focus on macro-nutrients (protein, fat, carbs) and don't consider micro-nutrients, which may be what our bodies need more of. (Get these from foods as much as possible, not from supplements, unless the later are whole-food based).

Make sure to have a huge salad of dark greens, various colored veggies (red peppers and tomatoes, purple cabbage, orange carrots) and fruits (blue blueberries, yellow pears, red apples) at dinner.

Also, you may want to consider buying organic produce, which has been shown by studies (I think from John Hopkins University, but it might be another univeristy) to have higher levels of minerals than conventionally grown produce. Check out your farmer's market, for example.
 
In fact, over the last 6 weeks with staying on that eating "plan" and doing Cardio Coach as my primary cardio workout plus 2 to 3 Cathe strength workouts I have lost 21 lbs and 8 % bodyfat, I am down 2 dress sizes and I have more energy than ever before.

Sorry about the lengthy post, I hope it helps though.

Holy moly! Congratulations Carola! I think a friend of mine is in a similar boat. She was born in Germany but she's lived here most of her life and has always 'struggled' with her weight. She tries every diet she reads about. She often blames dinner with her parents for 'ruining' her diet for the week; I hear about the evils of spatzle and wurst all the time. The interesting thing is, her mother has exactly the same body type as her, just slimmer. Doesn't exercise, doesn't diet, but she seems to have settled at a happy weight.

I've had dinner with them, and it's funny to watch. Her mother dives in and looks like she's enjoying every minute of it. My friend (also dives in) but seems like she isn't even enjoying the food that she's putting in her mouth and that she's going to hate herself for later. In America, it seems like eating normally just isn't allowed. You're either on a binge, or you're on a diet.

But on to veggiegirl. I used to do that all the time. It was like there was a part of me that just *had* to sabotage everything good I had done for myself that day. I know a big part of it was forcing myself to let go of a little bit of my perfectionism. For instance, I would have a set number of calories in my head for the day. If I *God FORBID* went 50 cal over, I would beat myself up over it, reach for the peanut butter jar, and before you know it, I'd be 300 cal over what I had planned. And so on.

What worked for me was actually letting go of the counting completely. I put it out of my head and ate when I felt like it. I counted after the fact to make sure I was getting enough of everything, and realized that my intake when I don't count is darn near perfect. Macros and everything. It was a big lesson in trusting my body.

Another thing is not letting myself get hungry, especially before dinner. Once I'm starving, I'm never satisfied. Even after I feel stuffed, I'll want to keep eating until it's time to go to bed. I make sure to eat before I really want to.

And one last thing that works when I just have the munchies for no reason. I can eat whatever I want, but not until after a big glass of water. The thought of drinking a huge glass of water right before bed and having to wake up every two hours is usually enough to make me realize I don't really want whatever it is. :p

Sorry for the long-windedness, you caught me on a day off! :D
 
I don't think it really has anything to do with nutrients. I think it is a HABIT like smoking that is really hard to break and perhaps has to do with other issues like boredom, tired, lonely whatever.

I also wanted to say that smoking is not just a "habit" that you can break. For many people there is an actual addiction to nicotine, for those people stopping to smoke results in real withdrawl symptoms, it is a "chemical" reaction of the body and it is very, very difficult to control that. This is why only a handful of people can actually stop smoking and why the number of relapses is so high. If it was just a habit you COULD control it with willpower.

Maybe for some people the evening or late night eating is a habit but I think when it is described as uncontrollable and ravenous eating, and then feeling bad the next morning, it sounds like a little more than just a "bad habit".

I KNOW for me it had something to do with what I was eating and in my case the way too low fat intake was culprit. Now, I don't do well on Atkins or low carb either, I don't necessarily binge on those but I have no energy.

If those eating urges are just a habit that needs to be broken, by all means, focus on something else, do something else, it won't be a problem to overcome it with willpower, it only takes 21 days to make something a habit.

In many cases the overeating, binge eating or uncontrollable eating is caused by restrictive diets which result in a lack of nutrients. Everyone is different and for some people the lack of nutrients results in hunger pangs and binge eating, others have different reactions.

My binges and hunger pangs only went away after I adjusted my nutrient intake. Do I still get cravings and the munchies? Sure, but it is a lot less frequently and those are very different from what I experienced before.

Thanks for your kind words, Nadia!!!! I guess I am fortunate that I am not much into German food like spaetzle, brats, etc. never have been :confused: I totally agree, in America the diet industry has overtaken this country and they are messing with our heads and health.
 
Carola--as usual, your posts and insight are incredibly helpful. It's amazing to read in this thread what you've gone through and how you've succeeded! Congrats to you!
 
I still don't think I am lacking any nutrients as I eat really well with lots of veggies, whole grain fruits etc. But once I sit down in front of that TV I will eat. If I get up and do something else that keeps my hands and my mind busy I just don't even think about eating. After keeping a food journal with comments I did find that I ate if I stayed up later and was actually tired. I don't eat necessarily huge amounts but I will "graze"--a handful of this, a small bit of something else. I also used to smoke over 20 years ago and gave that up after I realized that I felt worse after a cigarette--maybe more anxous, headachy whatever. When I reached that point I stopped. I have been told that I am not an addictive personality but one who was smoking because of stress and I think, for me, that is why I will eat at night--worry about who knows what. I guess there are many reasons and just as many solutions.
 
You might try making your breakfast bigger by about 50%. For me, when I eat a large breakfast (600-600 calories), after a few days I find I have hardly any interest in food at night. Just give it a try for a few days and see if it makes a difference.
 
Calorie restriction can lead to diet rebounding. Been there, done that.
If you feel you are getting the proper nutrition, you may want to consider looking into what's going on emotionally. Journal your feelings when this is happening.

For many people binging can be an emotional response to stress. Many people use food as a means to escape. Have a bad day at work, eat your feelings away. No doubt about it, food is comforting.
It is often a feel good drug of choice. I'm not saying this is the case with the original poster. I'm just saying it's not always about food.
 
I believe that you are right when you say it has many causes.

Though the right after supper seconds and thirds- eating sounds like maybe you HAVEN'T eaten enough during the day.

I also find myself "hungry" in the evening. I am pretty busy most days, so I truly love my evening "sit in front of the TV" and veg-out time. It would be nice to say, read instead, but I truly need a mindless activity. What I've trained myself to do is eat healthy snacks that are FILLING snacks. My most favorite is a bowl or 2 of oatmeal with fruit and about a tablespoon of Dark Chocolate chips melted on top! It's satisfying, chocolately, and FILLING! My other favorite is popcorn. I make a giant bowl of air popped popcorn, and sprinkle cheese flavoring on it and a spritz of Pam Butter Spray (to make the cheese stick), and eat to my heart's content!

Another thing it could be , similar to smoking, is the addiction to "sugar". That really does happen! I went through a period a few years back, where suddenly I craved and "needed" sugary snacks. Candy, I never even liked before: Red Twizzlers, Marshmallows, Candy Corn... I *needed* to eat them! I'm not sure what started these cravings, but I had to wean myself off of them, I really was addicted!

Just some other things to think about....
 

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