Osteoporosis

I am sorry you are having to deal with this. Waiting for more information and not being able to see a specialist for 3 months must be very hard.

I was in a very similar situation - longtime exerciser, lifting weights and doing cardio - surprised when a Dexascan in my 50s revealed significant osteopenia. Turns out the cause was one of my parathyroid glands. I'm not a doctor, but based on your numbers being so low despite excellent care of your body, it sounds like this could be what's going on. There only needs to be one of your four glands to go haywire for your body to think it needs more calcium despite getting high amounts of dietary calcium. Where does it take it from? Your bones. I had a parathyroidectomy more than a dozen years ago and my calcium levels returned to normal pretty quickly.

Again, not a doctor, but for now I would avoid high impact moves that might place too much stress on your spine. Lifting weights is good for the bones! Listen to your body and hang in there.
 
Hi All
I'm 55 years old and have been doing Cathe for at least 25 years. I'd consider myself a rather advanced (for a 55-year-old) exerciser, and I try to lift pretty heavy, generally. I've also taken appropriate calcium forever. I just found out that I have severe osteoporosis (-3.7 spine, -2.6 hips). My PCP referred me to an endocrinologist, and I'm waiting for my appointment (3 months). Meanwhile, I'm trying to figure out what others in a similar situation have done.
All the exercises I've found for this condition seem to be for beginners who have never lifted and are not really in shape. Does anyone have any advice while I wait (not so) patiently for my appointment?
Oh, and if anyone has done Osteostrong I'd love to hear about it.
Thanks all.
I'm 55 and going in to do my first scan Saturday. I've been on thyroid meds for years. This has me concerned. I will let you know what I find out and any suggestions from the team for you when I'm there. I hate that you have to weight 3 months. I know it can be reversed. I know with meds your bones can get stronger. We have an Osteostrong here and I have heard positive things about it.
 
Hi All
I'm 55 years old and have been doing Cathe for at least 25 years. I'd consider myself a rather advanced (for a 55-year-old) exerciser, and I try to lift pretty heavy, generally. I've also taken appropriate calcium forever. I just found out that I have severe osteoporosis (-3.7 spine, -2.6 hips). My PCP referred me to an endocrinologist, and I'm waiting for my appointment (3 months). Meanwhile, I'm trying to figure out what others in a similar situation have done............
So sorry to hear that you’re dealing with this problem at this young age. I’m going to share what I’m doing (and why) to help preserve bone density in the hope that it can help others. I’m looking at some of my friends who are older than me and I know I don’t want to become so frail. I’ll fight it with everything that science has to offer. This post is more about what needs to be taken out rather than added to the diet to maintain healthier bones. For a reference, I’m less than a year older than Cathe and I’ve been using her workouts for over 30 years. I figured as long as she can do it, I can do at least some, if not all of it. I give her full credit for keeping us going with more challenging workout over the years.

Apologies for the long message. The subject is complicated and this is a summary.

This is what I'm doing to maintain bone density:

Reduce Sodium:
I knew that controlling salt intake is the most important factor to reducing calcium and magnesium loss (doctor's advice). The body can’t store much sodium and it ends up losing potassium, Ca and Mg in the process of eliminating excess table salt. The process varies in different people. We’ve been on a low salt diet (maximum of 2 gr a day) for about 10 years now. We had to give up eating out except on rare occasions and we cook everything from scratch. No packaged food. So far reducing salt has worked very well.

Reduce oxalates from food: Recently, I started reading about oxalate and the stress they cause to the entire body. I realized by trying to eat healthy I’ve been overloading on oxalates. Oxalic acid is present in many of the healthy foods we eat. It is also produced in the body as a waste product and is removed by the kidneys in the urine. It binds with high affinity to minerals like Ca and Mg in the intestinal tract and in the kidneys and removes them from circulation. It can lead to kidney stones in some people. Excess oxalates that are left in the body get stored in all the tissues with 68% ending up in our bones.

Our bones hold most of our Ca/Mg which are used to help maintain the osmolarity of the blood (balance of ion concentration). Think of them as a 24hr ATM for Ca and Mg. The only problem is that it is much easier to take CA/Mg out (break down bone tissue) than it is to replenish them (rebuild bone tissues). Both processes happen at the same time all the time, but the breakdown happens much faster and much more frequently. Over a lifetime, it leaves us with depleted weaker bones. This seems the best explanation for why people who are doing everything right are still having problems with bone density.

Oxalates are very high in many healthy foods like spinach, beet greens, swiss chard, parsley, chives, celery, various beans, soy, sesame, almonds, cashews, etc. Even food that are considered moderate in oxalates are still very high. I realized that my family’s diet is very high in oxalate as we eat a Mediterranean diet, heavy on vegetarian food. I was eating more than a gram of oxalate a day, more than 10X the recommended amount for a healthy diet. Even with supplementing with Ca/Mg, vitamins D and K2, I was doing a lot of damage to my body and I was starting to feel it. The oxalates had to go. I'm changing the way I eat and the way I cook to reduce daily oxalate load.

I’ve also increased my water intake even though I’ve always drank plenty of water and I started adding electrolytes. I don’t buy prepacked electrolytes because I don’t want any of the additives and flavorings. I use potassium citrate powder with a small amount of calcium carbonate (5:1 ratio) and a splash of lemon juice. Our bodies need about 5 gr of potassium (K) and 1 gr of calcium per day. I add 1.5 gr of K from the citrate powder. The main reason for the electrolytes is to add citrates and carbonates which are the body’s main buffering system. The goal is to increase urine pH to ~6.5 to make it easier for the kidneys to get rid of toxins including oxalates. This is only needed by people who have more acidic urine (below 6.0). I also started to take a low dose Ca/Mg supplement with every meal. The logic here is if oxalic acid binds to Ca/Mg in the GI track, its absorption into the bloodstream is reduced. If it has access to supplemental Ca, the hope is it may use a little less of the endogenous minerals, less stress on the bones.

Now the bad news: there is no reliable oxalate data for most foods. Even PubMed searches don’t give much data. There is a list of oxalates in food from Harvard medical school and another from the University of Chicago that seem to have some real-world data to support them. This is what I'm using. There are many conflicting lists on the internet. It’s been a guessing game on some of the food I eat. I’m aiming to limit oxalate from food to 200mg per day.

Oxalates are something to consider if you’re trying to preserve bone density.
 
So sorry to hear that you’re dealing with this problem at this young age. I’m going to share what I’m doing (and why) to help preserve bone density in the hope that it can help others. I’m looking at some of my friends who are older than me and I know I don’t want to become so frail. I’ll fight it with everything that science has to offer. This post is more about what needs to be taken out rather than added to the diet to maintain healthier bones. For a reference, I’m less than a year older than Cathe and I’ve been using her workouts for over 30 years. I figured as long as she can do it, I can do at least some, if not all of it. I give her full credit for keeping us going with more challenging workout over the years.

Apologies for the long message. The subject is complicated and this is a summary.

This is what I'm doing to maintain bone density:

Reduce Sodium:
I knew that controlling salt intake is the most important factor to reducing calcium and magnesium loss (doctor's advice). The body can’t store much sodium and it ends up losing potassium, Ca and Mg in the process of eliminating excess table salt. The process varies in different people. We’ve been on a low salt diet (maximum of 2 gr a day) for about 10 years now. We had to give up eating out except on rare occasions and we cook everything from scratch. No packaged food. So far reducing salt has worked very well.

Reduce oxalates from food: Recently, I started reading about oxalate and the stress they cause to the entire body. I realized by trying to eat healthy I’ve been overloading on oxalates. Oxalic acid is present in many of the healthy foods we eat. It is also produced in the body as a waste product and is removed by the kidneys in the urine. It binds with high affinity to minerals like Ca and Mg in the intestinal tract and in the kidneys and removes them from circulation. It can lead to kidney stones in some people. Excess oxalates that are left in the body get stored in all the tissues with 68% ending up in our bones.

Our bones hold most of our Ca/Mg which are used to help maintain the osmolarity of the blood (balance of ion concentration). Think of them as a 24hr ATM for Ca and Mg. The only problem is that it is much easier to take CA/Mg out (break down bone tissue) than it is to replenish them (rebuild bone tissues). Both processes happen at the same time all the time, but the breakdown happens much faster and much more frequently. Over a lifetime, it leaves us with depleted weaker bones. This seems the best explanation for why people who are doing everything right are still having problems with bone density.

Oxalates are very high in many healthy foods like spinach, beet greens, swiss chard, parsley, chives, celery, various beans, soy, sesame, almonds, cashews, etc. Even food that are considered moderate in oxalates are still very high. I realized that my family’s diet is very high in oxalate as we eat a Mediterranean diet, heavy on vegetarian food. I was eating more than a gram of oxalate a day, more than 10X the recommended amount for a healthy diet. Even with supplementing with Ca/Mg, vitamins D and K2, I was doing a lot of damage to my body and I was starting to feel it. The oxalates had to go. I'm changing the way I eat and the way I cook to reduce daily oxalate load.

I’ve also increased my water intake even though I’ve always drank plenty of water and I started adding electrolytes. I don’t buy prepacked electrolytes because I don’t want any of the additives and flavorings. I use potassium citrate powder with a small amount of calcium carbonate (5:1 ratio) and a splash of lemon juice. Our bodies need about 5 gr of potassium (K) and 1 gr of calcium per day. I add 1.5 gr of K from the citrate powder. The main reason for the electrolytes is to add citrates and carbonates which are the body’s main buffering system. The goal is to increase urine pH to ~6.5 to make it easier for the kidneys to get rid of toxins including oxalates. This is only needed by people who have more acidic urine (below 6.0). I also started to take a low dose Ca/Mg supplement with every meal. The logic here is if oxalic acid binds to Ca/Mg in the GI track, its absorption into the bloodstream is reduced. If it has access to supplemental Ca, the hope is it may use a little less of the endogenous minerals, less stress on the bones.

Now the bad news: there is no reliable oxalate data for most foods. Even PubMed searches don’t give much data. There is a list of oxalates in food from Harvard medical school and another from the University of Chicago that seem to have some real-world data to support them. This is what I'm using. There are many conflicting lists on the internet. It’s been a guessing game on some of the food I eat. I’m aiming to limit oxalate from food to 200mg per day.

Oxalates are something to consider if you’re trying to preserve bone density.
I totally agree about the oxalates. I even know of a lady who got oxalate poisoning & has little "crystals" come out of her skin. That's the most extreme case I've heard of but yikes!

I know too much salt is not good, as anything in imbalance isn't. However, in my case, if I reduce my salt intake, my migraines explode EVERY SINGE TIME. It has to do with the sodium-potassium pump in the cells. But what I also figured out is that I need to get enough potassium every day. All of this is such a journey of learning, researching, & listening to my body.

But we never give up, right?
 
This makes a lot! We freeze half, sometimes in thirds. Makes for an easy meal when frozen. Adjust ingredients to your preferences.

Pizza Sauce – adapted from Maria Emerich (sp?) ETA: the sauce ingredients need to be 1.5 to doubled to have enough for the casserole. Unless you half the ingredients for the casserole recipe.
¾- 1 cup tomato sauce ~3-4 oz
3 TB Parmesan cheese
2 tsp Italian seasoning or Pizza seasoning
1 tsp garlic powder
1 tsp onion powder
1/4 tsp black pepper
¼ tsp salt

Low Carb Pizza Supreme Casserole – adapted from Dot-to-Trot
1# ground beef or pork, cooked and fat drained – add Sausage Seasoning, Red Pepper flakes
1.5 oz Pepperoni (half chopped for inside; half left whole for topping)
I TB Italian Seasoning
1 Tsp Minced Garlic
½ Tsp Red Pepper Flakes
½ tsp Salt
2 or 3 Bell Peppers, any color (OR use 2 bags of frozen)
½ - 1 cup Chopped Onion
8oz or 2 cups sliced mushrooms, sauté if fresh
1 bag frozen cut spinach – thawed & squeezed dry (or chop fresh spinach)
3.5 oz Sliced Black Olives
1 Cup Mozzarella cheese, shredded
½ Cup Cheddar Cheese, shredded
¼ Cup Parmesan Cheese, shredded for topping
~14 oz Pizza Sauce or Tomato Sauce, seasoned appropriately (see Maria E’s seasoning above)

Brown meat in LARGEST fry pan. Add seasonings, salt, hot pepper flakes. Drain fat.
Add onion, bell peppers, garlic, shrooms & sauté til tender. (We no longer saute them - we just add them raw to the casserole).
In LARGEST mixing bowl, add meat/veggie mixture, pizza sauce, spinach, black olives, chopped pepperoni – mix well to combine. Add half of the mozzarella.
Place mixture in 2 or 3 greased 8x8 or 1.5 quart casserole dishes. Top with rest of Mozzarella, Cheddar Cheese. Top with remaining Pepperoni slices & Parmesan cheese.

Wrap & Freeze one or two casseroles for another day.

Bake at 425 degrees for 15-20 minutes until hot all the way through. Alternatively bake at 400 degrees for 20-25 minutes. Let sit for 5 minutes before serving.

If FROZEN, will take longer to bake.

Enjoy!

@Debinmi thank you for the pizza casserole idea!
I did change it up a bit to look more like a pizza.
I added only a little bit of the sauce to my combination of hamburger and sausage meat and using as the base. I poured most of the sauce on top of the meat, then added the cheese layer, then the veggies and pepperoni as toppings. Finally, just a bit more cheese scattered over the veggies.

Gives the feel of a pizza so thank you so much for the idea.
My husband has asked for it every week and no leftovers :p
 
@Debinmi thank you for the pizza casserole idea!
I did change it up a bit to look more like a pizza.
I added only a little bit of the sauce to my combination of hamburger and sausage meat and using as the base. I poured most of the sauce on top of the meat, then added the cheese layer, then the veggies and pepperoni as toppings. Finally, just a bit more cheese scattered over the veggies.

Gives the feel of a pizza so thank you so much for the idea.
My husband has asked for it every week and no leftovers :p
It's very versatile. Glad you made it your own (we changed it up from the original too).
 

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