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RE: Josie

I have had Achilles Tendonitis since Sept. The pain isn't bad but it doesn't seem to go away, so I have cut back running and focused more on Cathe's workouts as it doesn't hurt then. I know I should go to Physical Therapy, but I am being stubborn. Anyway I talked to my sister about Malibu and she is interested, we could always do the half if our miles aren't up there. I have a good friend that lives in Venice so we have a place to stay. Thanks so much for letting me know about Malibu...I have always missed the ocean...:)...Carole
 
RE: Josie

Hi, Josie! Welcome to the forums! I have a single Marathon under my belt, but that makes me a marathoner! ;) If you hate speed work, Cathe's Interval Max was my choice for substitution and it's a real endurance builder. It always made running seem easier. When training for distance, I usually stuck to the endurance strength workouts with higher reps and lower weight. I was training for my second marathon when I developed Plantar Fasciitis so severely, I was forced to give up running altogether. It's still in the back of my mind to do it again. New York and Paris, wow! The Tucson Marathon is my sole marathon and it's a very beautiful course. One of my husbands friends, a non-runner and non-exerciser said, "Oh, that's an easy one. It's all downhill." So I shot him! Not really! 26.2 miles is long and hard no matter how much the course drops over that distance! Cathe's workouts are tough and a most excellent companion to running! Good luck to you and let us know how everything goes. I need to get my running vicariously these days!
Bobbi "Chick's rule!" http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/chicken.gif
 
RE: Josie

Carole and Josie, do you mind if I ask your PR's for the Marathon? My goal was to break four hours by running 9 minute miles but I went out too fast and ran 8's for the Half and pooped in the second half. My Half Marathon time was 1:46:21 the year before so, theoretically, I should have been able to run a 3 and a half hour marathon. Yeah, right. :) Not so! The year following my marathon, the Runner's World pacing team was there and I was bummed because if I had lined up with 9 minute milers, I might have met my goal! Even 3:59:00 would have made me happy as a lark! I ran it in 4:04:30. The Kenyan runner who won the Marathon started the race several minutes after it began and at the back of the pack! He kicked off his shoes and ran barefoot! I thoght that was amazing!

I was training with Team Diabetes in '02 but I ended up being barely able to walk, let alone run. I did a marathon of PT, cortisone, PT, cotisone, new orthotics, my third pair and finally surgery, all on my left foot. Now my right foot has decided it wants to join it's companion as a severe over-pronator, dirty dog! I am seeing a foot specialist this month to see if there's any hope that I might run again. Running was my passion for nearly 8 years and I loved to race and put in some pretty good times. Sadly, from a bio-mechanical standpoint, I'm ill-designed for distance even though it's what my head loves! My tootsies just won't cooperate!

Here's hoping your injuries heal completely! I ran that Half Marathon with a woman who had a frctured femur and I was astounded! I have learned to let healing take place fully before jumping back it there. I haven't ran since July of '02! Except in my dreams, LOL!

Lot's for luck to both of you and always be sure to put in a few miles for me! ;)
Bobbi "Chick's rule!" http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/chicken.gif
 
RE: Josie

Hi Bobbi! I knew from your other posts that you ran but didn't know you were a true marathoner...:)...and yes even one makes you a marathoner. In 1999 I did my PR of 3:30 in Sac. Calif. It was just one of those times that everything went well. I stayed consistently at an 8:00 pace. I trained extremely hard for this and have not attempted it again. The first 5 miles I ran with a male friend of mine that wanted me to pick up the pace, I said no...you go ahead. Needless to say I passed him about 23 miles...:)...always cool to pass a man!

I am sorry for your injuries, I know how hard it is not to be able to run. I have run since HS...about 27 years ago. Wow...I am old...:)...anyway I quit in 1984 with the same injury Achilles Tendonitis that I have now. Then started back in 1992. My sister convinced me to do a marathon (much to her regeret) :)...and I did my first in 1997. Fell in love with the distance. I have done 11 or 12 since, the last being Jan 1 2003, the rest of the year I fell apart though. I do like the 30K distance (18.6) miles and have done some of them. Although in Sept of 2002 I did my 1st 50K (31) miles on trails and had a great time. My injuries started at 40...torn calf, IT band syndrome, sciatic (that was nasty) and now the current one. I have been lucky with my knees and my feet. My sister and I have a theory about the knee thing..we both have fat there and figure its the knobby knee runners that have problems!!! So far its true...:)

My current injury is what got me to these boards and Cathe's Intensity and BodyBlast series and reading all your cool posts and learning alot and now that you have found my major interest..I have for sure rambled...on and on...:)...thanks Bobbi....Carole
 
RE: Josie

3:30! That's awesome! Heck, yeah, you have to leave those boys in the dust! :) And a 50K! Oh, man! I did love trail running! I loved the distance too. It seemed the longer I ran, the more mellow I got and I am pretty highstrung, so mellow is always good! Achille's Tendonitis was one of my first overuse injuries and mine was really painful. That little cord at the back of my ankle was so inflamed I had to take a full six weeks off. It felt like it was going to burst.

I used to smoke and not just smoke, smoke like a chimney! I am rather compulsive. Ok, Compulsive is my middle name, LOL! I got into a U of A clinical trial to see the effects of high dosages of nicotine on heavy smokers. It was double blind so neither we smokers nor the group who conducted the study knew who got what. I learned I'd gotten the double dose, 42 mgs. They not only used the nicotine patch to wean us, they got us started on exercise and our group leader suggested running. I ran 1.3 miles my first time out and I was hooked. I poured everything into and progressed very quickly. The year after the study ended I ran the Cinco de Mayo 10K and was one place out of taking an award! I have a few medals and trophies to my credit and while never blazingly fast, I wasn't slow either. But boy, was I prone to injury!

I pulled my groin alot! My left arch collapsed early on but orthotics kept me running for years but the last injuries are pretty debilitating so I don't know what my chances are of getting out there again. For now, I remain optimistic and I am being very careful. God Bless Cathe and her awesome workouts. Losing running was pretty devastating but I have come to terms with it (almost) and I can go happily on with Cathe if my feet never run another step. Stepping just doesn't kill my feet like running.

You are not old and will never be if you stay a fitnik all your life, long may you go, girl! I ran a 5K with a 94 year old man. He was the last runner in but he was maginificent. So strong and fit at 94! What an inspiration!
And, Carole, I have the knobbiest knees imaginable! :)
Bobbi "Chick's rule!" http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/chicken.gif
 
RE: Josie

Thanks Bobbi you are very sweet! And what an accomplishment to quit smoking..that is so great. I am the only one in my family that didn't smoke, never could inhale..:)..I think it would be great if you could run again, but yes Cathe's workout do help. Since my pain isn't bad and I have no swelling I think it will just take time. I ran 5 today and walked 30 seconds every half mile with almost no pain. I never did think of myself as very fast even though I am built more like a sprinter instead of a distance runner. I have a few medals too. I live in a small town and that helps. I am always happy when my local competition doesn't show..they kick my butt, running at like a 6:00 pace...I have no chance. So I have alot of 4th's..:)..I did get one 1st in a smaller town at a half marathon..I do treasure that trophy. My fastest pace was right after I started the Zone. After about 6 months on that diet I had so much definition and strength. I did a 5 mile run at a 7:00 pace. Haven't come close since.

When I did the 50K, there was a woman there who was 80 and she had started running when she was 60!! I was so impressed, so it doesn't matter when you start exercising, just as long as you do it.

Thanks for sharing your story...and I figured you for knobby knees...:)...but hey...no knee injuries!! ...:)...Carole
 
RE: Josie

Hi Carole and Bobbie,

I ran the Pacific Shoreline half this weekend and did better than I though I would, I even ran a negative split. My last 3 miles were at an 8:00 minute pace. I guess I'm back, knock on wood. My best time in a marathon was my second marathon in LA I ran a 3:52 and the rest have been in the 4 hour and change. I need to run a 4:00 hour marathon in order to go to Boston, but since I've been injured in the last two years and it always happens that I get injured in the last month or two of my training I don't know if I will ever make it. Hopefully with my new Cathe tapes I will become a stronger runner.

Carole,
I hope that you get well and are able to run the Malibu marathon, we can keep in touch and train together via e-mail.
 
RE: Josie

Congratulations, Josie! I have never ran a negative split in all my days! That's my fantasy, to break fours hours. Tucson is a perfect Bostons qualifer since the elevation drops but it's a pounder. Quads and calves take a real beating. I thought I had conditioned mine but I walked like a little old man for days afterward! I think they are so very cruel to throw in that uphill finish, LOL! Cathe's interval tapes increase your oxygen uptake magnificently! Malibu sounds heavenly doesn't it? Can you imagine sitting on a sandy beach letting legs recover in the surf? Mmmmm!

My PR for the 5K was 22:37 and the 10K 46:53 on a tough up hill course. My pace was 7:17 and 7:33 respectively and that was as fast as I got. I think I could have gotten faster but my inclination to injury kicked in and that was all she wrote. My first Race for the Cure was exciting because as they were calling times for the first mile, they called out 6:51 for me and I was delighted and astounded and told the guy I didn't run that fast! Never could maintain though and the idea of starting slowly to finish more quickly would not take root in my brain. I am seeing the sports injury foot expert next week becasue my right foot, my good foot! is painful through the arch now and it's quite similar to the PF in regard to limping in the morning and wanting to walk on my toes. Too bad there's no such thing as a foot transplant so I could get nice, neutral gaited feet! If I need a fourth pair of orthotics, I'm gonna cry! http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/bawling.gif




Bobbi "Chick's rule!" http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/chicken.gif
 
RE: Josie

Bobbie,

Do you have flat feet? I do and I think that that has been my problem for the last two years, I also got orthotics and when I went to see my Dr. for the last injury I told him that they were not helping me and he sugjested that I did not wear them and so far so good. I have been doing a lot of toe raises and furniture lifts with my feet and it seems to be working. I hope that you can run again, I've been a runner since HS also, and it has helped me through a lot of things.
 
RE: Josie

I do now, LOL! Actually, my arches are very very high in their natural state. And I know they say high arched people supinate but that's not always the case. Those broad generalizations can be real trouble makers which is why I recommend most runners going to a speciality shop where they'll guide you toward the right shoe and watch you run in them to get an idea of your true gait. I also have Morton's Toe where my second toe is longer than my first. It's a very unstable design for high impact exercisers. Do you wear stability shoes? Since high arched feet don't absorb impact well, I thought cushioned trainers would be best. That's what I get for thinking! My feet are best in stability trainers. Motion Control shoes are heavy and since I wear orthotics to neutralize my gait, I think they are overkill. I love New Balance shoes and have had great success with them. I did MIC yeserday including the hi/lo and I did fine so running may not be out of the question if I am careful. It's sort of sad though to have to minimize it when it's my first love! :) I am going to see the doctor first and then decide my plan of action. I am keeping my fingers crossed he'll have a real solution for me!

Bobbi "Chick's rule!" http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/chicken.gif
 
RE: Josie

Good luck! I wear the Brooks GTS and I love them, I slso like New balance. I wear the Motion Control shoes, the stablility ones are to ridgid for me, when I run in them it feels like im running in shoe boxes instead of shoes and it sounds like it too.
 
RE: Josie

Hi Josie....yes negative splits would indicate that you are back!! Congrats!...I did negative splits one time in the Humboldt Marathon. It is an out an back on a 6.55 mile course then out and back 6.55 miles on the other side which is much hillier. So I was really amazed that I did negative splits. My Achilles has felt much better lately and I am dropping some weight which should help too. Which Cathe tapes did you get? It would be great to train together via email. Fun to share our long run stories...:)...Carole
 
RE: Josie

Hi Carole,

I ordered the Total Body Timesaver Workouts which includes the following:
Push Pull and Supersets
 
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