Need help in getting enough B12 in my diet.

You only need B12 shots once every 3 months or so. B12 stays around in the body for quite some time and you only need to get a shot every so often. You might be getting enough already. If you are worried, at your next drs appt when you need lab work, have them add a B12 level onto it. You won't have bad health effects from not ingesting B12 for a few years. (But don't let it go that far!!! It can cause dementia!)

Becky
2nd year med student (3rd year in 4 weeks!!! woohoo!!!)
Florida State College of Medicine
 
If you are over the age of 35 be careful putting that much soy into your diet. Seriously. Soy is a substance called goiterogenic. It actually reduces the effectiveness and function of your thyroid. You need a more vegan substance that avoids those type of foods.

A pea protein is best and can be found in a variety of substances at the health food store but the easiest way to get it is in a vegan approved protein powder so you get meal supplementation and your proper intake of B12 at the same time.

Try chocolate or vanilla Arbonne Protein Powder--it rocks adn is vegan approved--no soy!

www.arbonne.com and look under product knowledge for ingredients. You can email me for details on the other...how to order, etc.
 
The requirement for B12 is very small, and it's easy to get through supplements (in the past, B12 was available by drinking water from streams and eating foods grown in soil, where the B12-making bacteria live--if the soil contains cobalt, and by B12 made in the mouth, but since we now drink chlorinated water, and our foods are thoroughly washed before we eat them---not to mention that the soil of conventionally-grown crops probably doesn't even contain cobalt---and we brush our teeth, we vegans have to make sure to get it somewhere else).

Don't panic, you probably have at least 2 years worth of B12 stored (no one knows how long it can be stored, but 2 years is the minimum I've seen, usually "at least 2-5 years worth," and some say up to 20 years, but that seems unlikely.

In addition to eating fortified food (yes, many cereals have B12 in, as do veggie 'milks' and nutritional yeast), you can get a B12 supplement. I like the methlycobalamin spray (www.veganessentials.com carries a good one https://secure1.nexternal.com/share...&Target=products.asp&Submit1.x=7&Submit1.y=13 ), which is a form of B12 that is more easily assimilated than the cyanabobalamin that one usually finds (the body has to break cyanocobalamin into methylcobalamin).

There are also sublingual methylcobalamin pills available. I used some to treat diabetic neuropathy in my now-departed cat Scooter, and he went from being unable to jump onto the sofa or walk downstairs to being almost 100% of normal after about a month of daily supplementation--and this was after the vet said that neuropathy is irreversible once one has it...that goodness for the internet!).

The less often you take B12, the less of it is absorbed, so if you take it less often, the total you take should be greater. For the spray, one spray 2-3 times a week would do fine. (But you probably get enough from the fortified foods you are already eating, or at least enough to take that down to a once-a-week spray 'just in case'.)

You definitely DON"T need a B12 shot. Most people suffering from B12 deficiency are NOT vegans, but have a problem with absorption--they lack something called 'intrinsic factor'-- that has nothing to do with their diet, hence, they have to take the vitamin in shot form.

Dr. Fuhrman has a multivitamin (Gentle Care) that is great for those of use following a plant-based diet. It contains B12 and other nutrients, but no vitamin A or beta carotene, which can be harmful in isolated supplement form).

As Carolyn says, I've been a vegan for about 15 years (the transition was not as clear cut as becoming a vegetarian over 30 years ago) and I'm not concerned about B12. The key is educating yourself. I read extensively, and I'm absolutely sure that this is the right path to be on.

One thing to watch out for. Seaweeds (like Nori and Dulse) contain a B12 analog that mimics B12 but does not have the same effects in the body. In fact, it can block uptake of actual B12. Those who rely on seaweeds for their B12 can end up with deficiencies. Some sources (especially some raw food advocates who shun supplements) claim that seaweeds are a good source of B12, which is a great disservice to their followers.

Some reading you might enjoy (to help put your mind at ease, as they all address the B12 issue):
"Becoming Vegan" by Brenda Davis and Vesanto Melina (a good overall source book)
"Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease" by Caldwell Esselstyn (promoting a low-fat vegan diet that he's used for over 20 years to reverse heart disease in his patients).
"Vegan Nutrition Pure and Simple" by Michael Klaper
"Food for Life" or "The Power of Your Plate" by Neal Barnard

(I've got a lot of other suggestions, if you're ever interested!)
 
>A pea protein is best and can be found in a variety of
>substances at the health food store but the easiest way to get
>it is in a vegan approved protein powder so you get meal
>supplementation and your proper intake of B12 at the same
>time.


Pea protein (yellow pea protein) is one of the best plant-based proteins, but hemp is even better.

But protein supplementation isn't necessary, and excess protein (over about 15% of daily calories) isn't beneficial.
 
>>A lozenge with 3000 mcg is way too much, unless you
>suffer from depression or other conditions that need
>additional B12.

This is the type of supplement that you'd take maybe once a week, not daily. It won't be harmful (there are no known toxic effects of getting 'too much" B12) but it's a waste of money.
 
>Kathryn, or anyone that can explain to me, please help,
>

I would have chimed in sooner, Janie, but I didn't log on Sunday, and I couldn't get in yesterday or today (until I found a link to a thread in the forum on VF, then I could get in 'the back door').
 
Actually the B-12 (cyanocobalamine) shots are once a month. When I worked in the Internal Medicine Clinic when Active Duty, we'd have many elderly people who would walk in when it was convenient for them for their shots. They typically weren't vegan or not able to get B-12 from their diet, but were anemic and weren't able to absorb it from food.

I have a co-worker who is also anemic and chooses to get her B-12 from drinking 3-5 Red Bull cans a day!:eek: (I didn't say that she was smart, just a co-worker!) She feels that if she consumes enough of it daily that some will at least get absorbed. Okay, so she's book smart, not common sense-smart!

Anyway, Janie I really honestly think that you are getting enough with your diet
 
Kathryn,

I new I would get lots of information from you. Thank you so much for all this info. I do want more information if you don't mind. For now I will absorb what you have written. And continue what I am doing until I feel more at ease with the whole concept.

Looking forward to more responses from you. I have an expert here and want to take advantage of your knowledge as much as possible. Plus everyone else here can benefit from it as well.

Thank you,

Janie

The idea is to die young as late as possible.

http://www.picturetrail.com/janiejoey
 
Hi Janie,

This is a little OT, (nothing to do with B12) but....

I enjoyed your story about the blender "smoothie" you used on your face. It reminded me of a book I gave to my bridesmaids four years ago, and they love it, called "Naturally Beautiful"... full of all kinds of skin-treatment concoctions like the one you came up with. They are not all vegan, but if you are interested, here is a link...

http://www.amazon.com/Naturally-Beautiful-Earths-Secrets-Recipes/dp/0789303531
 

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