Marital woes

The weird thing is, it seems like the roles are almost reversed in our relationship. If it ends (unless things radically change for him in counseling), then it will be me who wants to end it, not him. Except for the role of breadwinner, I have taken on nearly all the other household responsibilities, i.e. making travel plans (for family vacations all the time, for dinners out with or without kids, and for escapes on my own part with friends or relatives). I'm responsible for paying the bills, I make most of the monetary decisions even though it's he who makes most of the money. And the thing is, he seems to prefer it this way, and I'm discovering that I'm feeling "loved" more because he wouldn't know what to do without me than because he actually does love me, although I believe he does in his own way. But there's a big difference between someone being able to depend on you and them being dependent on you, and I feel like the latter is definitely the case here, and it's a lot of pressure to feel totally responsible for another person's happiness. He would basically have no life without me or the kids, and I think that scares HIM to death. For me, it's more a job/money thing, but I know I could support myself if I needed to.

Sorry, there I go again, rambling. I want to thank every single person who's written on this thread so far for their kind words. I have read them and reread them, and they do give me strength. You all sound like fantastic people!

Laurie
 
Laurie - a good friend of mine sent me this a long time just when I needed the most - take a read - its says it all... here goes.. kind of long but well worth it!

A time comes in your life when you finally get it... When in the midst of all your fears and insanity you stop dead in your tracks and somewhere the voice inside your head cries out - ENOUGH!

Enough fighting and crying or struggling to hold on. And, like a child quieting down after a blind tantrum, your sobs begin to subside, you shudder once or twice, you blink back your tears and through a mantle of wet lashes you begin to look at the world through new eyes. This is your awakening. You realize that it's time to stop hoping and waiting for something to change or for happiness, safety and security to come galloping over the next horizon.

You come to terms with the fact that he is not Prince Charming and you are not Cinderella and that in the real world there aren't always fairytale endings (or beginnings for that matter) and that any guarantee of "happily ever after" must begin with you and in the process a sense of serenity is born of acceptance.

You awaken to the fact that you are not perfect and that not everyone will always love, appreciate or approve of who or what you are... and that's OK. (They are entitled to their own views and opinions.) And you learn the importance of loving and championing yourself and in the process a sense of newfound confidence is born of self-approval.

You stop bitching and blaming other people for the things they did to you (or didn't do for you) and you learn that the only thing you can really count on is the unexpected. You learn that people don't always say what they mean or mean what they say and that not everyone will always be there for you and that it's not always about you. So, you learn to stand on your own and to take care of yourself and in the process a sense of safety & security is born of self-reliance.

You stop judging and pointing fingers and you begin to accept people as they
are and to overlook their shortcomings and human frailties and in the process a sense of peace & contentment is born of forgiveness. You realize that much of the way you view yourself, and the world around you, is as a result of all the messages and opinions that have been ingrained into your psyche. And you begin to sift through all the crap you've been fed about how you should behave, how you should look and how much you should weigh what you should wear and where you should shop and what you should drive how and where you should live and what you should do for a living, who you should sleep with, who you should marry and what you should expect of a marriage, the importance of having and raising children or what you owe your parents.

You learn to open up to new worlds and different points of view. And you begin reassessing and redefining who you are what you really stand for. You learn the difference between wanting and needing and you begin to discard the doctrines and values you've outgrown, or should never have bought into to begin with and in the process you learn to go with your instincts. You learn that it is truly in giving that we receive. And that there is power and glory in creating and contributing and you stop maneuvering through life merely as a "consumer" looking for your next fix. You learn that principles such as honesty and integrity are not the outdated ideals of a bygone era but the mortar that holds together the foundation upon which you must build a life.

You learn that you don't know everything, it's not your job to save the world and that you can't teach a pig to sing. You learn to distinguish between guilt and responsibility and the importance of setting boundaries and learning to say NO. You learn that the only cross to bear is the one you choose to carry and that martyrs get burned at the stake. Then you learn about love. Romantic love, familial love. how to love, how much to give in love, when to stop giving and when to walk away. You learn not to project your needs or your feelings onto a relationship.

You learn that you will not be more beautiful, more intelligent, more lovable or important because of the man on your arm or the child that bears your name. You learn to look at relationships as they really are and not as you would have them be. You stop trying to control people, situations and outcomes. You learn that just as people grow and change so it is with love.... and you learn that you don't have the right to demand love on your terms... just to make you happy. And, you learn that alone does not mean lonely... You look in the mirror and come to terms with the fact that you will never be a size 5 or a perfect 10 and you stop trying to compete with the image inside your head and agonizing over how you "stack up."

You also stop working so hard at putting your feelings aside, smoothing things over and ignoring your needs. You learn that feelings of entitlement are perfectly OK.... and that it is your right to want things and to ask for the things that you want...and that sometimes it is necessary to make demands.

You come to the realization that you deserve to be treated with love, kindness, sensitivity and respect and you won't settle for less. And, you allow only the hands of a lover who cherishes you to glorify you with his touch... and in the process you internalize the meaning of self-respect.

And you learn that your body really is your temple. And you begin to care for it and treat it with respect. You begin eating a balanced diet, drinking more water and taking more time to exercise. You learn that fatigue diminishes the spirit and can create doubt and fear. So you take more time to rest. And, just as food fuels the body, laughter fuels our soul. So you take more time to laugh and to play.

You learn, that for the most part, in life you get what you believe you deserve... and that much of life truly is a self-fulfilling prophecy. You learn that anything worth achieving is worth working for and that wishing for something to happen is different from working toward making it happen. More importantly, you learn that in order to achieve success you need direction, discipline and perseverance. You also learn that no one can do it all alone and that it's OK to risk asking for help.

You learn that the only thing you must truly fear is the great robber baron of all time... FEAR itself. You learn to step right into and through your fears because you know that whatever happens you can handle it and to give in to fear is to give away the right to live life on your terms. And you learn to fight for your life and not to squander it living under a cloud of impending doom. You learn that life isn't always fair, you don't always get what you think you deserve and that sometimes bad things happen to unsuspecting, good people. On these occasions you learn not to personalize things. You learn that God isn't punishing you or failing to answer your prayers. It's just life happening. And you learn to deal with evil in its most primal state - the ego. You learn that negative feelings such as anger, envy and resentment must be understood and redirected or they will suffocate the life out of you and poison the universe that surrounds you. You learn to admit when you are wrong and to building bridges instead of walls. You learn to be thankful and to take comfort in many of the simple things we take for granted, things that millions of people upon the earth can only dream about: a full refrigerator, clean running water, a soft warm bed, a long hot shower.

Slowly, you begin to take responsibility for yourself by yourself and you make yourself a promise to never betray yourself and to never ever to settle for less than your heart's desire. You hang a wind chime outside your window so you can listen to the wind. And you make it a point to keep smiling, to keep trusting, and to stay open to every wonderful possibility.

Finally, with courage in your heart and with God by your side you take a stand, you take a deep breath and you begin to design the life you want to live as best as you can.


Take care,
Iris
 
Gosh, Iris, this is so appropriate. I absolutely love this writing. I printed out a copy and keep it at home but I forgot about it. It was so good to read it again.

Thank you!
 
Dearest Cyclecat,

Boy can I relate!

I had been married to/with my ex for nearly 8 years. We started off very similar but grew apart. By the end, we hardly spent any time together. We tried everything including counselling several times. We were just too different.

When I was 5 months pregnant with our son, he walked out on me. This was almost the final straw. I went through hell and back getting through an already problematic pregnancy without his support. We had planned the baby together etc.. so his leaving was purely because he felt (in his own words) that we were “no longer compatible”.

After our son was born, he tried to come back. Despite the betrayal and the hell I went through, I still booked (and paid for!!) 3 counselling sessions only one of which he bothered to show up to. By this stage any feelings I had for him had been destroyed and I decided enough was enough.

Only you will know when you reach that stage. My divorce is now imminent and I don’t feel sad about it because I know I tried my absolute best and couldn’t have tried any harder. Our son is now 16 months old, shares his time with both of us and is a happy secure little baby, secure in the fact that both his parents love him. This is all he has ever known. I see too many families torn apart by parents staying together for the children and do not believe that is the answer.

After nearly 2 years being single (my choice) I have met the most wonderful man with whom I share key values. For now, my BF and I are very happy and I want you to know that it is possible to be happy with someone new. Age is irrelevant - my 55 year old mother recently met the most incredible man and is very happy indeed.

Explore all avenues to make things work and if they don’t, although it takes a lot of courage, leave. Life is too short to be unhappy, it really is. One day your children will leave and you will be left alone with a man you do not relate to. Nothing is worth that, believe me.

I wish you all the very best and if you ever need to email confidentially feel free to mail me at [email protected].
 
As a LONG divorced.... person.. yes, being single is OK and you can have a wonderful life that way. My kids were brought up in single family and we couldnt be closer. My daughter actually wrote her college essay about being a kid of divorced parents is part of me. It has made me ... more supportive/understanding of others, less judgemental, more responsible.

Being a single mom works for me.. doesn't for everyone. Anyhow its true life is too short to be miserable. Things will work out for you!

Ugh I hate the "when the kids leave" I'm SOOO NOT ready for that. My daughter is 18, we get along great, I keep hoping at some point we won't be as close because her going off to school is going to be so tough. Fortunately my son is just a freshman so have a few more years of being a Mom :)

Best to you on making the choice that is right for you.
 
www.marriagebuilders.com

EXCELLENT web site! Highly recommended!!

And personally I disagree with your counselor. My teen years would have been much better had my parents divorced rather than waiting it out until I left home...it wasn't like I didn't realize they weren't getting along :)

Colleen
 
***"I can become the person you wish I was instead of the person I am." Barf.
Obviously I am playing a major role in my/our unhappiness too, but I feel like I'm at an impasse here. My kids have always been a big priority; I've stayed home with them and/or worked part-time off and on, so I'm literally paralyzed with fear about how I'd support myself if we split up.***


Am I the only one who thinks that this is a pretty crappy statement?

Your husband says he's willing to change for you and your response is "Barf"?

So, you're staying in this relationship mainly because you think you won't be able to support yourself?

There's a sayin that if you want to change a situation that you should start with yourself. Maybe you should think about that.
 
I think it's a sad statement on two fronts. Number one, that the response is "barf" and number two, that the guy said it. A response such as "barf" tells me you have put up a wall and don't wanna listen to what he has to say on the matter. And, the fact that he thinks he can become a whole new person is unrealistic and it isn't going to happen. I mean, he may as well be an actor right? He won't be comfortable putting on an act for her and in the end it'll make things worse.
Anyone who thinks they can totally re-do their spouse to make him/her more like the person you want them to be is totally kidding themselves. And I am not talking about the annoying little stuff they may do. I am talking about the person deep down inside.
T.
 
Your mistake, plain and simple, is that you got married because you got pregnant. Now that the kids are getting older you are finding that there's got to be more in common with a spouse than just kids.
I hope you can find a solution.
Your counselor is wrong by the way. Of course he wants you to stay together. That means alot of work on your part through counseling, and that means more dollars for your counselor, assuming you are paying him for his precious time.
I really hope you find what you are looking for, with or without your husband.
T.
 
I highly recommend the marriage builders website as well. Also check out the books by Dr. Harley (marriage builders). In addition, there's a magazine called Marriage Magazine that has similar philosophies to Dr. Harley. You can find the magazine at marriagemagazine.org. Both of these sources tune you into meeting each other's needs.

Good luck!
 
Madn, and Trevor too, I think you are missing the point. Laurie's husband was not making a generous offer to change himself for her. He was making a nasty passive-agressive remark that shows that he has no idea how to communicate in a relationship. Laurie was not saying "barf" at her husband, she was saying "barf" at his comment. How do you talk to someone who is basically saying "Poor little put-upon bewildered me. Guess I need to change my whole personality for my demanding, unreasonable wife". That is what is being implied and it IS nauseating! Her husband is also implying that he is innocent and she is the "guilty" party. I could go on, but the man said volumes in his comment, and none of it was good. To me, the worst implication of the comment is that he isn't willing to take responsibility for his part in the relationship.

It is also very important to note that Laurie said "Barf" to US, not to her husband. I really don't get the feeling that Laurie would consider "barf" to be an adequate way of communicating with her husband.

As for fears about support, almost every couple contemplating separation has those feelings. The fears are very real for both partners. Two households are always more expensive for both parties, and if one partner hasn't worked in a while it can be terrifying. Who wouldn't be scared?

But having defended Laurie here, I don't want to sound like she has reason to despair. Quite the contrary. I think therapy can teach Laurie and her husband how to speak to each other assertively so that they can both start to get their needs met, and that things will get much better very quickly. I believe that marriage counseling is one of the most highly effective forms of therapy out there, because it just involves learning how to communicate differently, which is something nearly every rational person can learn.

Lots of luck Laurie! :)
 
Point taken Laurie. I actually had thought the same thing after I had posted my comments. I can see where his comment could be construed as a "poor little me" comment.
Trevor :)
 
Holy smokes, a lot can happen in a few days!

Thanks for defending my (I'll admit somewhat confusing and insecure-sounding) remark about my husband's comment to me, but you really hit the nail on the head, at least in terms of how I interpreted it. The term "passive-aggressive" has been applied to him a number of times by a number of our acquaintances, and that's exactly how I interpreted his comment. I mean, the bottom line is if you don't want to change yourself FOR yourself, you might as well forget it. As for the job worries, I have been doing immigration transcription for 3 years at home; I'm certain I could support myself if it came to that. But I begin thinking about before and/or after school daycare, sick children, etc., etc., and sometimes think it would be worth trying to change my own attitude just to keep life "easier" for the time being. I'm not judging anyone who's a single parent or one of a couple where both parents work full-time, BTW; I'm just, I guess, trying to see some of the positive aspects of staying married to someone who isn't necessarily the person you thought you'd married (but isn't that true of all of us). And no, if I've ever thought that "barf" was an appropriate response to something my husband said (and I have!), I've kept it to myself. And I know I'm part of the problem too, not the least of it that I've shut down emotionally and can't figure out how to open back up. Argh.

This continues to be an interesting thread!
 
Thanks for the site recommendation. I've bookmarked it; I think I'll be coming back to it again and again...
 
Colleen, I checked out the website and it looks really interesting! Even good marriages need lots of attention, so I'm going to spend some time on the website. Thanks for the tip!
 

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