lunges and dips+ knees

nsaeolian

Cathlete
Nancy S.
Good morning Cathe. I hope you had a good Easter.
I have very poor knees and when doing lunges cannot get my back knee as close to the floor, or my front knee at a 90 degree angle as seen in your DVDs. I can only get about half as far. Same for dips. My knees cry out in pain if I go too far. Am I still getting the benefit of the exercise? If not, any hints for strengthening the knees? Thanks.:-(
 
Not Cathe here, but as one with knee issues, I'll give it a shot. First is it PAIN or is muscles that are tired or sore. If it is just tired/sore/not strong enough then the lunges/squats are prob what you need to be doing to strengthen them. If it's actual PAIN, I'd start with seeing a Doctor for the cause. Knee issues can be tricky to diagnose or there can be more than one thing going on (as in my case). I've had 2 knee surgeries and here's what I've learned--

If the supporting/surrounding muscles are weak, then your knee will be wobbly and it will hurt. The surrounding muscles have to be strong, stable. Try leg lifts in all 4 directions, also band work in all 4 directions. Firewalkers are good for the inner/outer muscles as well.

Your balance has to be good. Ties in with the supporting muscle thing. Try balance boards or an upside down bosu. See how long you can just stand. Then progress to squats. For squats keep your weight in your heels/but. Try lunges on the bosu. Put the forward foot on the bosu and push up thru the heel on the forward foot, the back leg is mostly for balance. For either exercise, your weight should not be center on your knees. They are not bearing the weight. Let the muscle do the work, not the joint.

You have to maintain focus/concentration. My inside leg muscles are weaker than my outside, and that pulls my knees to the outside, which then my kneecap doesn't rub right, and I no cartilage behind my left knee. It helps during these exercises if I really focus on bringing my legs back to "center" and not letting them roll outward. If yours roll inward, focus on them being out. If I let my form go sloppy then I am soooooo sore the next day - in a bad way. Also for this, step up and over a step. Get a comfortable height step, start low then work up. Put your right foot on, then step up and over, then back with your left foot, but do not lift up the right foot. It puts a good stretch in the hip and kind of mimics a lunge move and requires strength and a lot of stability in the planted leg. Repeat on the other side.

Do what you can do!!! If you can't go all the way down, you are still working. Quality over quantity. Since my 2nd surgery I can't bring my left knee down as far as the right. It hurts, but its not a "bad" hurt. It more of an itchy/stretchy/uncomfortable feeling where the muscle is still trying to heal and become accustomed to its new position in life. Every few workouts I push it just a little further and its coming along. But again, its the good pain, not the something is wrong pain.

Also, maybe your weights are too heavy. Perfect your form/balance/stability with little or no weight then go up. I also find that the weight position makes a huge difference. I can easily squat 50 lbs on a barbell, but if I use 2-25lb dumbbells on my shoulders all of a sudden it feels so much heavier. It throws my sense of balance and center off and all of a sudden its a much harder move.

Its possible you just need to tinker s bit with what you're doing. But I would still see a Dr to rule out any serious issues 1st. That was meant to be my .02 worth, but from the book I've just written, it looks more like $1.50

Nan
 
I find lunges are done really fast in videos, so I just slow them down and do them at my own pace. Last week I got the slanted risers and I've been using them also to help with my lunges.

HTH
 
Just a couple of suggestions (and if any of them hurt, DON'T do them! I also highly suggest you consult a physical therapist or doctor before continuing):

It's easier to have a good position for the forward knee (without putting too much weight forward into it) with stationary or rear lunges, so try substituting them for forward lunges.

Try putting your forward foot on a step (4"-8") and sitting back and down into the lunge).

Lunges and squats can be very effective even with no addtional weight. You can even do them holding onto something (like a chair back) so you can be sure to sit back instead of going forward.

Also, set up a mirror in front of you (you can find a cheap 'back-of-the-door' mirror at Walmart or Target that can serve this purpose) and make sure your knees are not bowing out or (worse) buckling in when doing squats or lunges. This puts pressure on the knee joint from side-to-side, which is against its natural movment pattern. If your knees want to bow out or buckle in, that suggests that you have a muscle imbalance that could be addressed through physical therapy.

One good exercise to strengthen knees (used in PT) is called quad sets. Sit or lie on the floor with one leg bent and the other straight. Flex the quad of the straight leg and lift it to about a 45 degree angle (so the knee is about even with the knee of the bent leg) and hold for 3-5 seconds. Repeat for reps. As you get stronger, you can add an ankle weight, starting with 1 pound. If even this is too hard to do at first, get in the same position, with a folded towel under the straight knee, and do the quad flexion by pushing the back of your knee down into the towel.

You can target the inner knee muscle (the name of which escapes me for the moment) by turning your toes out to about a 45-degree angle when doing either exercise).

HTH!

(And that was my 'novel', LOL!)
 
>Try putting your forward foot on a step (4"-8") and sitting
>back and down into the lunge).

This is a great suggestion--it has helped me more than you know. I suffer from knee pain a lot. Front lunges really bother me and I have found that stepping onto a 4 or 4 inch step or bench has helped tremendously.

Allison

http://www.picturetrail.com/allisonj90
 
I have knee issues and my ortho-surgeon recommended that I stop doing lunges altogether and not go too deep in squats. I still do lunges (because I'm hard-headed!x() because they are so effective, and modify any that involve jumping or quick changes. Funny thing is, I don't have as much discomfort doing walking lunges as I do with the ones that lunge forward-then back up (and same for lunging backward and back up). I'm going to try out these suggestions. Thanks!

Trish
 

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