Hope this is not to personnal

"an antique wooden bowel and a bunch of artificial fruit to make a table arrangement"

Now that's a table arrangement I'd like to see;)
 
>"an antique wooden bowel and a bunch of artificial fruit to
>make a table arrangement"
>
>Now that's a table arrangement I'd like to see;)


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Oops--I meant bowl.

Michele
 
Interesting question, Michele. I looked up "porter" and it said "doorman". But we have a separate porter and doorman. The "porter" takes out the trash and is always sweeping the floor or polishing something. The super is too busy fixing radiators and plumbing and stuff to do what the porter does. He tells the porter what to do. The doormen, on the other hand, just stand there in uniforms and open doors for people. I guess it makes sense.

Our staff is great, and we are so lucky to have them. They deserve big tips.

What did you get for yourself???
 
well that is true missy. add therapist to my list i just spent about 35 mins. before going over speech therapy exercises with viola.

michelle, that sounds like shopping spree fun besides the whole car, which is more nesseccity. i know you love your antique shopping so that must be fun just to go out and find something.

kassia



When they discover the center of the universe, a lot of people will be
disappointed to discover they are not it -- Bernard Bailey
 
I varies each year. I usually buy one fun thing (now that they are older) and the rest of the presents are things like clothes, underware, socks, things they need anyway. It makes for lots of presents under the tree.

This year my 16 year old is getting a letter jacket $250 and then just little stuff.

Sometimes I don't even spend the same on each child. Sounds bad, but the older one got a rifle one year ($500) and I didn't see the need in spending that much on the younger one just for the sake of keeping it even. He knows his turn will come.
 
>I don't have children but I feel for those of you who do.
>There must be a lot of pressure to shop and go overboard. I
>think Missy, Shelley, and Kassia have the right idea.
>
>I have a niece and 6 nephews and everyone goes WAAAAAY
>overboard with them. The "kids" on my side of the family are
>adults now, yet they still expect a gift from me. I've already
>discussed with my DH that this will be the last year I give
>them something. I don't remember getting gifts from my aunts
>and uncles. When did this tradition start?
>
>We still have little kids on DH's side and I dread the email
>wish list I always get about a week before Christmas. There
>are so many adults buying for the same kids that what
>inevitably happens is I end up having to return/exchange gifts
>because at least one other person bought the same thing I did.
>I wised up last year and gave an envelope with the receipts to
>my SIL's so they could deal with the exchanges.
>
>DH and I are old farts now and we don't buy Christmas gifts
>for each other anymore. I would rather have an antique
>something than a piece of jewelry and my DH would never rob me
>of the joy of shopping for the antiques myself. DH has his own
>things he's into and buys that stuff on his own. We're both
>very content with this arrangement. What means the most to me
>at Christmas time is just getting to spend a lovely evening at
>home by the fire with DH, some nice music, a great meal,
>and...
>
>ETA we stopped exchanging gifts with our siblings and it's a
>relief to not have that to worry about anymore. I suggested it
>last year and everyone was thrilled with the idea. With the
>money saved I was able to buy something for MOI because I was
>a good girl! LOL!
>
>Michele

My reply got so long, I made it a separate post...sorry...ooops

;-)
 
This is a great thread, isn't it? I too feel for all the parents out there, but it sounds like a lot of you deal with it very well. Michele's post really struck a cord with me. My hubby and I (39 and 41 respectively) are in a similar boat as we do not have any children but have 9 nieces and nephews between us. We LOVE to give to them, but between all of their birthdays, special events and Christmas it's getting out of control. Hubby put a $100 bill in my niece's Sweet 16 birthday card last week. It seems that's appropriate for Sweet 16???

I don't mean to sound cheap...I'm not by any stretch. I just feel that an awful lot is expected these days and not truly appreciated. I also find it ironic that DH's family and mine stopped exchanging presents as well, but that does not include the kids. P.S. We're the only ones without kids.

And we too get "the lists" of expensive or hard to find toys. I totally love Christmas morning at home with DH and my doggies. I almost feel like sending out "lists" of presents for our babies...our puppies.

Sorry for the rant...I'm just frustrated and tired of dealing with a lot of family members with very poor manners.

lisaannjam
 
Lisaannjam,

My DH and I are also the only ones without kids (I'm 50 and my DH is 46). My niece and 3 of my nephews are now over 18 years old. I feel like I've done my duty with the gifts. So, this is going to be the last year for them. They know I love them and that if they really needed me I'd be there for them. We still have 3 younger boys on DH's side so we'll continue to buy for them for now.

I didn't expect, nor did I get, gifts from my aunts and uncles when I was a kid. I really don't know how this tradition started but I believe that the children of today have and expect far more than we did when we were kids.

Michele
 
>Lisaannjam,
>
>My DH and I are also the only ones without kids (I'm 50 and my
>DH is 46). My niece and 3 of my nephews are now over 18 years
>old. I feel like I've done my duty with the gifts. So, this is
>going to be the last year for them. They know I love them and
>that if they really needed me I'd be there for them. We still
>have 3 younger boys on DH's side so we'll continue to buy for
>them for now.
>
>I didn't expect, nor did I get, gifts from my aunts and uncles
>when I was a kid. I really don't know how this tradition
>started but I believe that the children of today have and
>expect far more than we did when we were kids.
>
>Michele

Michele, I too think kids have and expect far more than we did as kids. And these days, with the crazy marketing, there's always a new fad with half a million versions, all of which the advertisers would like us to think are "collectible" must haves. I try not to buy too much for the kids during the non-Xmas part of the year, and instead give my time to them.

I think the adults in my family are moving towards the no-or-very-small Xmas gift route though. Between Sept 30 and the end of January, we have nine birthdays, two anniversaries and Xmas. Recently, we all agreed that the gift giving and parties had reached ridiculous proportions, so we're having one big dinner together next year, to celebrate everything, no presents. Frankly, it's refreshing. :)

Sparrow

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"it's getting out of control. Hubby put a $100 bill in my niece's Sweet 16 birthday card last week. It seems that's appropriate for Sweet 16???"

>I didn't expect, nor did I get, gifts from my aunts and uncles
>when I was a kid. I really don't know how this tradition
>started but I believe that the children of today have and
>expect far more than we did when we were kids.
>

"Michele, I too think kids have and expect far more than we did as kids. And these days, with the crazy marketing, there's always a new fad with half a million versions, all of which the advertisers would like us to think are "collectible" must haves. I try not to buy too much for the kids during the non-Xmas part of the year, and instead give my time to them."


Lisa, Michele and Sparrow, I completely agree with all of your posts. I feel like children have become so ungrateful. Our children, I am covering my whole generation because I do believe it is true from what I have seen, have all the privaledges that we did not have growing up and it seems as though many parents now want to give their children what they didn't have. I think that is so sad. There are so many things to be learned from doing without. There is the pride in actually earning something. There is learning the value of hard work. Learning the value of a dollar. Learning to be grateful for what you do have, and being grateful for how hard your parents worked to get you what you have today. What happened to these values? What about looking forward to Christmas so that you could play with your cousins and your aunts and uncles? When did things take priority over people and quality time? It is so hard to try to raise children with these values when so many of their friends don't have chores or only have to throw a fit to get what they want, or when the families surrounding us have so much and are materialistic. I feel like I am on a soapbox now... ugh, sorry. I think that you and I are sharing the same frustration, Lisa.

Missy
 
Missy, Sparrow & Michele!

Well...thank you Ladies!!! I know you all know what I mean when I say I love our nieces and nephews dearly, but the gift giving in our familes is out of control and I don't know how to put a stop to it without looking like a bi#@h!! Last night I printed out a copy of Michele's post for DH and I accidently left it in the bathroom. He read it and he agreed with us too. We had a long talk and agreed that it's actually the parents (our siblings) that are really the ones to blame for putting us in this situation. There is truly a very high expectation there spoken or unspoken. I especially love it when we get the e-mail wish lists and it is sent as if it is a favor to us to let us know what to buy. I have one SIL that actually asked us all to bring cash to my nephew's birthday party to pay for the PS2 that she bought my nephew. I just don't believe this is right.

DH and I (like all of you!!) work really hard and make a nice living. We have an old house that we are fixing up and I feel like we actually do less for us and our house because we give so much. But when I go to my SIL (who asked for the cash) she has new furniture etc...

I want to give out of love and we do give out of love. But, now I just feel that we are being taken advantage of. It's different when everyone has children. At least then it is reciprical. I honestly believe that they feel they're children are entitled to more than we had...I agree with all of you. But as an Aunt, I give my love and time to them throughout the year. I babysit, take them to trips to the mall, waterparks, bake with them and basically hang out and love them!! Is it my job as an Aunt to "subsidize" the lifestyle you want for your children?

I have read all of your posts and you have some great ideas. Unfortunately, I am at the point where I feel the need to do something about the insane amount of gift giving as well. I want to give out of love...not obligation. It's a shame that it's come down to this. I guess it is DH and my fault for being so generous. We gave out of love and now it is just expected and really, really unappreciated!

I cannot tell you how nice it has been to be able to share this. Thank you so much!!!
 
Lisa, I can feel your frustration through the computer and I totally sympathize! One thing that makes it easier for me to spoil my niece and nephew at Xmas is that my sis and BIL *don't* expect it. In fact they tell me all the time "you don't have to do this, you know." I had to twist my sister's arm just to convince her to let me buy the kids snow boots. Like you, I would be so annoyed if someone sent a note asking for cash to pay for his/her child's present! Where have basic manners gone, in terms of gift giving?

Sparrow

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Lisa, I am wondering if we share the same SIL? Mine is soooooooo like that too. And she creates a list for herself for Christmas as soon as she is done with her Thanksgiving plate. http://www.smileys.ws/smls/cheeky/00000018.gif This is a woman who goes out and buys whatever she wants when she wants it all through the year. We won't even go there about her birthday. SHE and single childless BIL raised the spending limit for the adults even though three of us protested that we have three kids, one of them with high doctor bills and diabetes, and can't afford it. Deaf ears. And then we drew her name for Secret Santa. http://www.smileys.ws/smls/angry/00000005.gif

DH and I were talking, and you really just have to feel sorry for people who are like that. They don't get it. At the end of their life they are going to wonder why noone is coming to visit them, but they will just be surrounded by things that can't comfort them or offer support. If people want to put an emphasis on money, fine, let them live that way, but you do not have to do anything that you don't want to, and I don't think it would hurt to let them know that. Go ahead and tell them how you feel, but if it is DHs family, he really needs to be the one to say something first. I think after a while, you do start getting taken for granted. Sometimes people don't really realize how they are treating you. They may just think that because you don't have kids, you can afford it and don't care. Talk to them. What is the worst thing that can happen? In my case, they talk about me behind my back anyways so they can't hurt me that way. And I will be just fine if they ask me to stop coming to family functions :p. DH told his family that (before they drew names) if comes down to it and he has to choose a gift for either them or his kids, you won't be getting anything from him this year. http://www.smileys.ws/smls/grinning/00000040.gif He does have his shining moments!

Missy
 
WOW...a lonh thread with no fights:eek: :) Write it down!

I know, it is totally different when you ask someone what to buy your kid, not them telling you what to buy them.Its not so much about the giving anymore, more like taking.

One of my co-workers told me that she was at work the other day and her SIL (her boyfriends, brothers wife) called and told her what she wanted for christmas.It was a pot set for $600:eek: Can you imagine? And before she got to do anything else, the mother of this lady called and told Melissa not to pick up the pot set b/c they picked it up and she can just write them a cheque for $600!:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: I don't know what she did about it but I would tell them where to stick the pot set.I was floored when I heard this story.
Lori:)
 
I know, can't even wrap my head around this one.Even if I had the money to buy it, I wouldn't, just out of spite that someone would expect such a thing.Not to mention that they have 3 kids and another one on the way.He makes good money but not the kind of money that he would spend $600 on his brothers wife! Some people were born without a clue!
Lori
 
Wow! You ladies have struck a chord with me as well. I do think it's gotten overboard with the amount of presents. Dh and I definitely cut back this year for our own kids, but what gets me is that we still buy for all the adults in his family, not mine (we stopped that awhile ago - thankfully). I do think that his family is starting to come around, but just a little.:-(

Every year we take on an adopted family. I remember getting the list the first year we did it, and the dad put on the list a coat, hat and gloves. I sat in my car and cried for them. Bless his heart that's all he wanted for his daughter. I went back in and asked how old his daughter was. It turned out she was around my dd's age. So, I had to get her a few dolls, toys etc. I also found out he had an older son, but didn't put him on the list. I ended up getting a few things and then a gift card. He ended up writing the most heartfelt thank you.

Although, we did not get an adopted family this year. I decided since my brother's family is not doing well financially that I'd focus on their kids this year. I bought them a ton of warm clothes to get through the winter.

I was reading The Legend of the Christmas Tree to my kids last night for a bedtime story. It's a great story to read to your kids this time of the year. There's another one called The Legend of the Candy Cane, also excellent. There's a website on the back www.zonderkidz.com, however I didn't see these two books there. We've had these since we first got married.

Sorry to go on, but I feel like enough is enough as well. Thankfully, we all have a very LOW limit for nieces/nephews except for my brother's kids who really need it. For the Aunts and Uncles who do not have kids I told them to not buy anything for my kids. They never listen though.;-)

Hopefully, next Christmas my total will only include kids!

Dallas
 
Like everything else, we all have a different philosophy and a different reason for giving the gifts we do. Also, we are all at different income levels.

When my daughter was little, I set a limit of $250 at Christmas. She and SIL struggle with their bills all year, so at Christmas, it makes me feel good to give them a large gift. And, my granddaughter, what can I say? I spoil her because I can.
 
It's funny I should stumble across this thread...the other day I was reading "Little House on the Prairie" to my daughter. For Christmas, Laura and Mary both receive a shiny new tin cup, sticks of peppermint candy, a penny each, and a heart shaped cake...yeah that would go over like a fart in church nowadays...

Pam:D
 
Missy..I feel for you if you feel like we share the same SIL. i wish we did so at least we could have one another in the family!!Wow...so many wonderful responses. Thanks for the advice ladies. Thanks for making me feel like I'm not alone. I bet a lot of us feel like we have the same SIL, don't we? haha

In the end, we give to our nieces and nephews out of love. I will continue to give to all of them out of that love, but since they're are quite a few of them with many occasions to celebrate they may not be getting quite what they have in the past. But, they will all still get my undivided love and attention for sure in addition to some pretty cool gifts (just not as expensive as we've done)!

I'll see if anyone says anything. But like Missy said what is the worst that can happen? They'll talk behind our backs? That won't bother me...what matters is I really, really love the kids and the kids all know that.

It's just gotta be done.

Thanks for the support!!!:)
 

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