getting more fit but gaining weight?

Boybert

Cathlete
This whole process gets confusing at times. My muscle size has definitely increased over the past several months. I especially see it in my arms, shoulders, chest. My clothes fit great, so how can I be going up? I don't want to gain weight, so am I lifting to heavy or too often? Should I stick to endurance workouts? I want the definition, but I don't want to go up to much in mass. What is the right amount of cardio & lifting to achieve optimal results? Maybe I am overdoing one or the other. I don't have a body fat analyzer so I can't tell you that. Just by appearance for now, so I don't know.

My diet is pretty good. I'm trying to tighten it up a little as I know sometimes I fall off the wagon :) I'm sure that probably has something to do with it. I eat plenty of lean meats, fresh fruit, veggies, etc. Anyone have any thoughts?


"you miss 100% of the shots you never take"

Debbie
 
If your clothes fit great, then why are you concerned about your weight so much? Weight is a meaningless number - it tells you nothing about your body composition. Your gage for success should be how your clothes fit and how you look in the mirror. If your clothes fit great and you like the definition you are seeing, then who cares how much you weigh? :) Your weight has most likely increased because you have increased your lean muscle mass. Muscle is a dense tissue, a pound of muscle does not take up very much space (especially compared with a pound of fat - which takes up a LOT of space). So if you lost 5 pounds of fat, but gained 6 pounds of muscle - you would weigh a little more, but you'd be much slimmer. Make sense? :)

Now, throw away that nasty old scale! ;)
 
hehe. Thanks Emily! I dunno why I am concerned. I guess I have been trained that way from losing so much weight when I was younger. Watching the scale was a big deal. Easier said than done, you know? :) Thanks again for good words of wisdom.


"you miss 100% of the shots you never take"

Debbie
 
I agree with Emily...the scale is not our friend!! I find that the scale does absolutely nothing for me but play with my mind.

If you are seeing the results you want to see and your clothes are fitting like you want then you are fine....just keep on doing what you're doing. When it's time you change...you will know.

~Marietta
FITXME
 
Do you have any idea of what exactly to expect from fat loss and muscle gain. Right now I am 7lbs above what I think is an ideal weight, but I just can't get the scale to budge. I def. see my arms defining and I have been measuring waist/hips/legs to get an idea if I am losing any inches, but so far it's not much. I am getting a bit discouraged, but I know that muscle weighs more so I Am trying to keep that in mind. I guess having a body fat analyzer is the only way to really know.
 
Debbie,

I've been on Ms Fit's program...I'm going in to my 5th week. I've only lost 1 pound but 2% body fat. When I look at myself I see definition and some of my clothes are even loose on me. It's a mindset thing we just need to get over. Based on how I feel when I look in the mirror...I think I can get over scale trauma :)
 
Debbie, the last time I was at my doctor's, I tipped the scale at 111 lbs. More than 2 years ago, I was 98 lbs. on the same scale. At the time the nurse said I could've weighed less without my jacket, jeans and shoes. I was a size 4. Today, at 111 lbs. I could fit my lower body into a 2. My upper body's going the opposite way. I've had to give away some of my size SM tops, especially those from the juniors department. Yesterday I tried on some of my newer tops, and they're also getting tight around the shoulder and lat area. And to give you an idea of how differently muscle feels than fat, the last time I was 111 lbs. was 2-3 months post-pregnancy whe I couldn't get my butt into a size 8. If your clothes fit great, you have nothing to worry about.;-)

Pinky
 
>Debbie, the last time I was at my doctor's, I tipped the
>scale at 111 lbs. More than 2 years ago, I was 98 lbs. on the
>same scale. At the time the nurse said I could've weighed less
>without my jacket, jeans and shoes. I was a size 4. Today, at
>111 lbs. I could fit my lower body into a 2. My upper body's
>going the opposite way. I've had to give away some of my size
>SM tops, especially those from the juniors department.
>Yesterday I tried on some of my newer tops, and they're also
>getting tight around the shoulder and lat area. And to give
>you an idea of how differently muscle feels than fat, the last
>time I was 111 lbs. was 2-3 months post-pregnancy whe I
>couldn't get my butt into a size 8. If your clothes fit great,
>you have nothing to worry about.;-)
>
>Pinky

Excellent post Pinky...very good information. The proof is in your pictures. Thanks for the insight - we tend to let that number on the scale have way too much power over us.

Tammy
 
Thanks girls! Thanks Pinky for the great thought. It is so hard to adopt that mindset. We are a culture that has been number obsessed forever, you know? I'm working on it ;)


"you miss 100% of the shots you never take"

Debbie
 
Yep the scale is very evil and loves to make you cry. It lies and everything else. For example if you stayed home all day and took your weight every hour, it would be different each time. So the real question is what hour is really your *real* weight? Is it at 8 am, as weight X? Or 12 pm at weight Y or 10 pm at weight W? Or somewhere in between?

But really toss out the scale and use a tape measure and how your clothes fit, it is so much nicers and they don't lie. Also say you weigh yourself once a week at 8 am. If you are in the middle of your weight cycle and trying to lose weight, you may actually have to lose 5 pounds before you actually see it on your scale if 8 am is in the middle of your cycle. If it's the the beginning or end of your cycle you'll see it the first pound you lose. But the middle is much much harder to change. Now isn't that frusterating or what?

I never look at my scale anymore, I mean why play the mind game of you gained a pound when there's probably a good chance you didn't it's just your body doing something inside and breaking down the food particles and holding a bit of water at the moment, so it can make energy.

If you workout everyday and like the way you look who cares what the scale says. As you don't even know if that's even your real weight it's spitting back at you. You could be in the high end of your cycle, or it can be you did gain weight but it's all muscle. The only time you really have to worry is when that fat percentage goes up and you start feeling like the pilisbery dough boy, and all soft and fluffy and squshy. Then it's time to take action. But then again the scale will probably tell you you weigh less then you have been.

Kit
 
If you're getting smaller, you're losing fat, you're clothes fit great, and you feel great, why do you care what the scale says.
 
If you don't have a body fat analyzer, the way your clothes fit (as several have already mentioned) or a tape measure are your best bets to track your size. Clean eating is important because exercise alone typically won't cut it or you if you are not eating properly. Many people think that because they are exercising they can eat more or not change their bad eating habits and these people can gain weight and not muscle weight. Many women rationalize the scale weight going up as due to muscle weight gain. It is difficult for most women to pack muscle on. The average muscle gain for a woman who trains seriously is about 1 lb/4-6 weeks initially. Women can gain at this rate for a few months only and then the rate slows considerably. Consider the fact that female bodybuilders who lift very heavy typically add only about 7 lbs muscle to their frames and female bodybuilders on steroids can add up to only about 11lbs of muscle. Women can get stronger through neuromuscular adaptations which result in the use of more muscle fiber being recruited to do work rather than just building additional fibers to do the same amount of work so it is theoretically possible to get stronger but not bigger. I was weighed underwater a few times and over the past several years have gained only 4 lbs muscle even though I consider myself strong and have significantly increased the amount of weight I can lift. This is not atypical for a woman. I am now doing progressive overload to try to stimulate more muscle growth. I use the scale at the same time every day as a guide because I know that any weight gain over a lb or two is likely unwanted and not due to lean muscle mass gain.
 
Interesting Cathy - I would agree with you bc when you read fitness magazines most of the women are 108-117 pounds when in competition and yet they can really lift some heavy weights - I think its critical for women to eat properly!! I heard that weight loss is 70% diet and 30% excercise - not sure if that is true or not.......

I usually judge where I am at by how my clothes fit and how I feel. However, I have hit a plateau recently and I KNOW the only thing that will really break my plateau is to eat better - I eat good about 4 days a week and by Friday I am craving pizza and carbs like no other!!! Yikes!

I am not a fitness expert - but it does seem that women can better guage where they are at by using % of body fat vs. scales......
 
Why The Scale Lies

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Why The Scale Lies

by Renee Cloe


ACE Certified Personal Trainer We’ve been told over an over again that daily weighing is unnecessary, yet many of us can’t resist peeking at that number every morning. If you just can’t bring yourself to toss the scale in the trash, you should definitely familiarize yourself with the factors that influence it’s readings. From water retention to glycogen storage and changes in lean body mass, daily weight fluctuations are normal. They are not indicators of your success or failure. Once you understand how these mechanisms work, you can free yourself from the daily battle with the bathroom scale.

Water makes up about 60% of total body mass. Normal fluctuations in the body’s water content can send scale-watchers into a tailspin if they don’t understand what’s happening. Two factors influencing water retention are water consumption and salt intake. Strange as it sounds, the less water you drink, the more of it your body retains. If you are even slightly dehydrated your body will hang onto it’s water supplies with a vengeance, possibly causing the number on the scale to inch upward. The solution is to drink plenty of water.

Excess salt (sodium) can also play a big role in water retention. A single teaspoon of salt contains over 2,000 mg of sodium. Generally, we should only eat between 1,000 and 3,000 mg of sodium a day, so it’s easy to go overboard. Sodium is a sneaky substance. You would expect it to be most highly concentrated in salty chips, nuts, and crackers. However, a food doesn’t have to taste salty to be loaded with sodium. A half cup of instant pudding actually contains nearly four times as much sodium as an ounce of salted nuts, 460 mg in the pudding versus 123 mg in the nuts. The more highly processed a food is, the more likely it is to have a high sodium content. That’s why, when it comes to eating, it’s wise to stick mainly to the basics: fruits, vegetables, lean meat, beans, and whole grains. Be sure to read the labels on canned foods, boxed mixes, and frozen dinners.

Women may also retain several pounds of water prior to menstruation. This is very common and the weight will likely disappear as quickly as it arrives. Pre-menstrual water-weight gain can be minimized by drinking plenty of water, maintaining an exercise program, and keeping high-sodium processed foods to a minimum.

Another factor that can influence the scale is glycogen. Think of glycogen as a fuel tank full of stored carbohydrate. Some glycogen is stored in the liver and some is stored the muscles themselves. This energy reserve weighs more than a pound and it’s packaged with 3-4 pounds of water when it’s stored. Your glycogen supply will shrink during the day if you fail to take in enough carbohydrates. As the glycogen supply shrinks you will experience a small imperceptible increase in appetite and your body will restore this fuel reserve along with it’s associated water. It’s normal to experience glycogen and water weight shifts of up to 2 pounds per day even with no changes in your calorie intake or activity level. These fluctuations have nothing to do with fat loss, although they can make for some unnecessarily dramatic weigh-ins if you’re prone to obsessing over the number on the scale.

Otherwise rational people also tend to forget about the actual weight of the food they eat. For this reason, it’s wise to weigh yourself first thing in the morning before you’ve had anything to eat or drink. Swallowing a bunch of food before you step on the scale is no different than putting a bunch of rocks in your pocket. The 5 pounds that you gain right after a huge dinner is not fat. It’s the actual weight of everything you’ve had to eat and drink. The added weight of the meal will be gone several hours later when you’ve finished digesting it.

Exercise physiologists tell us that in order to store one pound of fat, you need to eat 3,500 calories more than your body is able to burn. In other words, to actually store the above dinner as 5 pounds of fat, it would have to contain a whopping 17,500 calories. This is not likely, in fact it’s not humanly possible. So when the scale goes up 3 or 4 pounds overnight, rest easy, it’s likely to be water, glycogen, and the weight of your dinner. Keep in mind that the 3,500 calorie rule works in reverse also. In order to lose one pound of fat you need to burn 3,500 calories more than you take in. Generally, it’s only possible to lose 1-2 pounds of fat per week. When you follow a very low calorie diet that causes your weight to drop 10 pounds in 7 days, it’s physically impossible for all of that to be fat. What you’re really losing is water, glycogen, and muscle.

This brings us to the scale’s sneakiest attribute. It doesn’t just weigh fat. It weighs muscle, bone, water, internal organs and all. When you lose "weight," that doesn’t necessarily mean that you’ve lost fat. In fact, the scale has no way of telling you what you’ve lost (or gained). Losing muscle is nothing to celebrate. Muscle is a metabolically active tissue. The more muscle you have the more calories your body burns, even when you’re just sitting around. That’s one reason why a fit, active person is able to eat considerably more food than the dieter who is unwittingly destroying muscle tissue.

Robin Landis, author of "Body Fueling," compares fat and muscles to feathers and gold. One pound of fat is like a big fluffy, lumpy bunch of feathers, and one pound of muscle is small and valuable like a piece of gold. Obviously, you want to lose the dumpy, bulky feathers and keep the sleek beautiful gold. The problem with the scale is that it doesn’t differentiate between the two. It can’t tell you how much of your total body weight is lean tissue and how much is fat. There are several other measuring techniques that can accomplish this, although they vary in convenience, accuracy, and cost. Skin-fold calipers pinch and measure fat folds at various locations on the body, hydrostatic (or underwater) weighing involves exhaling all of the air from your lungs before being lowered into a tank of water, and bioelectrical impedance measures the degree to which your body fat impedes a mild electrical current.

If the thought of being pinched, dunked, or gently zapped just doesn’t appeal to you, don’t worry. The best measurement tool of all turns out to be your very own eyes. How do you look? How do you feel? How do your clothes fit? Are your rings looser? Do your muscles feel firmer? These are the true measurements of success. If you are exercising and eating right, don’t be discouraged by a small gain on the scale. Fluctuations are perfectly normal. Expect them to happen and take them in stride. It’s a matter of mind over scale.
 

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