? For Vegans and Vegetarians

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Can you give examples of your high proteins sources, I read on another thread that a lady lost muscle definition on the Eat to Live diet, so how can you avoid loss of muscle while eating vegetarian and or vegan diets. Also what do you eat after a weight workout, and a cardio session.

Thank you :) :)
 
I've gained muscle definition since becoming vegan a year ago -- and truly feel better physically than I have in years. If I keep my workouts steady, my muscle definition stays put.

After a weight workout I have a smoothie with soy milk & fruit most days. If you track your protein, you may be surprised to find that after servings of soy, grains, beans and even some vegetables, your grams of protein are higher than you might think. My main protein sources are legumes, soy milk.

I'm sure you'll get more info from more experienced vegans.

good luck.
-Barb:)
 
I'm a vegan for most of my adult life (I'll be 45 next month) and I try to keep my protein low, as humans don't need much and get plenty (more than needed) from plants. In 3 different classes (for Exercise Science) we had to track our eating for diet analysis, and each time my protein consumption was way over the recommended level.

So I do try to limit my consumption of beans, though they are wonderful and satisfying. My large sources of protein are potatoes, popcorn, and whole grain cereal (oat, rye, and barley flakes).

Check out this website for the science behind what I'm saying (and recipes): http://www.drmcdougall.com/med_hot_highprotein.html

Also, I'm naturally very muscular, and I switched from heavy low-rep lifting to ligter high-rep lifting to lose muscle, even eating "low protein".

Hope this helps.

--Ronda
 
Vegan high-protein foods :
Tofu, tempeh, edamame and black soy (least processed forms of soy...you can also get a lot of meat analog made from soy, but they are usually very processed)
Seitan (wheat meat) (also used in some meat analogs)
Hemp protein powder (perhaps the best type of protein powder to take, as it is highly assimilable and of high quality)
Lentils, peas, beans

How to avoid muscle loss: eat enough calories to maintain, and lift enough (10-12 rep range) with sufficient recovery to build. It's possible to lose muscle if you aren't taking in sufficient calories.

After a weight workout, I like to take a smoothie or beverage with about a 4-to-1 ratio of carbs to fat (like some chocolate soy milk or a smoothie). Hereá an acticle that tells why this is important:
http://www.sparkpeople.com/resource/Nutrition_articles.asp?id=627&page=3

You can also get some info on protein in some articles on www.drfuhrman.com .
 
Losing definiton or mass has NEVER been a problem for me on a vegetarian and now a vegan diet! I eat all kinds of grians and legumes in combinations, edamame, Boca burgers,and tofu. Getting enough protien is not an issue if you understand food values. The great thing about all of the protein sources mentioned above is that they also contain FIBER! Honestly, this is the only diet that I can eat without worrying about gaining weight. I am leaner, stronger, more defined and have experienced better endurance eating this way too.

As to what to eat after a workout...bananna, or a smootie w/silken tofu, handful of nuts and fruit, hummus and veggies w/fruit..whole grain toast w/nut butter, salad with beans or baked tofu, lentil soup....really I could go on;-). Deb
 
This is a great recipe, I manipulated and love it, love it.You need two recipes, one to make seitan, and the other to make the fake meatloaf. This will help in trying new, vegan recipes. I have a book called "Vegan Vittles" that is fantastic! I manipulate it some, and it all tastes fabulous. You won't regret it.

This is not to eat just before a workout, instead one main menu during lunch or dinner. Just a sample of what a meal looks like. Just add a small vegie and a fruit, and then it is complete.


Homemade Seitan
Dry Ingredients:
1 3/4 c. instant gluten flour (vital wheat gluten)
1/3 c. nutritional yeast flakes only
½ t. garlic granules
½ t. onion granules

Liquid Ingredients:
½ c. water
½ c. tomato juice
3 T. soy sauce
1 T. olive oil (optional)

Simmering Broth:
8 c. water
½ soy sauce

1. Place the gluten flour, nutritional yeast flakes, garlic granules and onion granules in a medium mixing bowl, and stir them together.

2. Measure out the liquid ingredients and place them in a small mixing bowl. Stir them together, and pour this liquid into the dry ingredients. Mix well. If there is still flour around the deges, add a small amount of additional water (1 to 2 T. only). You should now have a large, firm, spongy mass in the bowl. This is called gluten.

3. Knead the gluten directly in the mixing bowl for about a minute, just to blend. (Do not add any more flour). Then slice the gluten into 3 relatively equal pieces, and set aside.

4. Place the ingredients for the simmering broth in a 4 ½ quart saucepan or Dutch oven, add the gluten pieces and bring to a gentle boil. Reduce the heat to medium-low, and simmer the gluten partially covered for 1 hour. Maintain the heat so that the liquid barely simmers, and turn the gluten over several times during cooking.

5. Remove the saucepan from the heat, and let the seitan cool in the broth uncovered. (After gluten is cooked it is called seitan).

6. Transfer the seitan to storage containers, and add enough of the broth to the containers to keep the seitan immersed. Cover each container tightly with a lid, and store the seitan in the refrigerator for up to ten days, or in the freezer for up to six months. To extend the life of fresh or defrosted seitan indefinitely, boil it in its soy sauce broth for ten minutes two times a week.

Calories 173 . Fat 1 gm . Carbs. 8 gm . Protein 33 gm



(Janie's version) Not Your Mama’s Meatloaf
(8 servings or 3/4 c.)

Have Ready:
1 recipe (4 c.) ground Seitan

2 t. olive oil
1 large yellow onion, chopped
2 cloves garlic, minced or pressed
1 medium carrots, shredded
1 c. mushrooms, shredded

½ t. ground black pepper t. dried thyme leaves, crumbled
¼ c. minced, fresh parsley, or 2 T. dried parsley flakes
1 c. fresh, whole grain bread crumbs, firmly packed
½ c. quick-cooking rolled oats (not instant)

1/3 c. smooth peanut butter or other nut butter of your choice
1 ½ T. Worcestershire sauce
½ c. tomato sauce

1/3 c. ketchup

Place the oil in a 10-inch skillet, and heat it over med.-high. When the oil is hot, add the onion and saute’, stirring occasionally, until the onion is translucent, about 6-8 min. Add the garlic and saute’ for 1 min. longer. Add the carrots and mushrooms and continue to cook until the liquid is almost gone. Remove the skillet from the heat, and set it aside to allow the vegetables to cool.

Preheat the oven to 350 degrees F. Mist an 8 ½ x 4 ½ inch loaf pan with nonstick cooking spray, and set it aside.

Place the ground seitan, black pepper, parsley, bread crumbs, and rolled oats, and cooled vegetable mixture in a large mixing bowl, and toss them together until they are thoroughly combined.

Whisk together peanut butter, Worcestershire sauce and tomato sauce until smooth. Add this to the large bowl and again mix until thoroughly combined.

Pat down the mixture firmly into the prepared loaf pan. Spread the ketchup evenly over the top.

Bake for 1 ¼ hours at 350 degrees. Remove the pan and place it on a cooling rack. Let the loaf cool for at least 15 to 20 minutes.

Calories 311 . Fat 7 gm . Carbs. 21 gm . Protein 31 gm

Have fun, this is just the beginning for you,

Janie

The idea is to die young as late as possible.
 
Thank you all for replying, one more question, what are your takes on soy meat substitutes? I hear now that too much soy can do more harm than good now. Somedays, I just dont know what to eat anymore...:)
 
I won't worry about protein.....in this society and with the standard american diet...it is more than enough. Enjoy....vegetables, nuts, beans and fruits are really the way to a beautiful and healthy body.

Just my thoughts,
Robin (going strong at 46.5 yrs)

PS. I will continue to "Eat to Live"......it is the best

http://www.picturetrail.com/rjroubi
 
I agree, I think it's not hard to get adequate protein. Worry more about adequate iron and vit B 12.

Lentils, eggs, milk, cheese, kidney and pinto beans are all my staples. then add in the bits of protein found everywhere in bread, veggies, etc and it all adds up.

A good idea is to have a stock pot of lentil and vegetable soup on the go all winter long in your fridge so that after a workout or when starving hungry, you never have to wait long to eat healthily or have to worry about what to eat. Add a chunk of hearty grain bread, a hunk of cheese, a yoghurt and fruit and you have a great meal.

When I am on the go, I rely on protein bars to see me through when out of the house as I refuse to purchase food elsewhere. I can't afford it.

Clare
 
I am a vegetarian who eats no eggs, poultry, fish, or meat. I do eat dairy. Not too much dairy one cup of milk a day and a half cup of keifer(plain yogurt drink). I am taking a Nutrition course, right now, and one of our exercises was to create a diet journal of everything we eat for a week and analyze it. I was the only one in the class who's protein was too high! Almost, everyone else was high in Carbs. Isn't that interesting? I always thought I needed to be really careful about protein. My suggestions are thus.... Make sure you combine your protein a whole grain with a legume(beans) or dairy. And, make sure you still eat your simple carbs in moderation.. Pasta, non whole wheat breads, crackers, white rice, of course Sugar in it's many forms.
And, as Clare pointed out Iron, and B12 and I would venture to add Calcium.
Heather
 

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