ENDURANCE.....
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To tell you the truth Anna, endurance still confuses me. Well, I shouldn't say confuses, but in some ways I just don't get it. I can see the benefit of having Upper Body endurance (holding a baby, lifting groceries and walking a mile..) but I don't really see it for lower body. My thing is, if I am a runner, which is a cardio exercise, I am already exhibiting and enhancing lower body muscular endurance by running so adding an extra lower body endurance routine seems to have no value to me. Adding a strength routine does, for more leg power. But I guess if I did not run, or do another form of lower body cardio, endurance weight routines would have their place.
But, if I was a speed skater. Would I have a strength weight routine and an endurance weight routine. I think not. I think in this example I would have a lower body strength routine to build power in the legs and an upper body endurance/strength, BUT the skating itself would be my endurance workout. See?? Does anybody agree with me on this one???
I just don't personally see the benefit of working your legs to the bone like that each week with all that hard cardio, an endurance workout AND a strength workout.
I think endurance is good, and I know I have it, but I bet it is more from mountain hiking than from endurance lifting routines. Anyone else agree with this??
Janice
http://www.picturetrail.com/thrashej
To tell you the truth Anna, endurance still confuses me. Well, I shouldn't say confuses, but in some ways I just don't get it. I can see the benefit of having Upper Body endurance (holding a baby, lifting groceries and walking a mile..) but I don't really see it for lower body. My thing is, if I am a runner, which is a cardio exercise, I am already exhibiting and enhancing lower body muscular endurance by running so adding an extra lower body endurance routine seems to have no value to me. Adding a strength routine does, for more leg power. But I guess if I did not run, or do another form of lower body cardio, endurance weight routines would have their place.
But, if I was a speed skater. Would I have a strength weight routine and an endurance weight routine. I think not. I think in this example I would have a lower body strength routine to build power in the legs and an upper body endurance/strength, BUT the skating itself would be my endurance workout. See?? Does anybody agree with me on this one???
I just don't personally see the benefit of working your legs to the bone like that each week with all that hard cardio, an endurance workout AND a strength workout.
I think endurance is good, and I know I have it, but I bet it is more from mountain hiking than from endurance lifting routines. Anyone else agree with this??
Janice
http://www.picturetrail.com/thrashej
Hmm. I totally agree, Janice, and I must admit I never even thought about that aspect.
Anna, I know that what comes into play for a lot of people is the physical results they get from doing muscular strength workouts as opposed to muscular endurance workouts. For some people, lifting with a program that helps them gain strength will define their muscles in an attractive way. For others, it is a muscular endurance style of lifting that will help them become more defined.
If you do a search in both of the other "conferences" (Ask Cathe and Video Questions and Comments), there is an explanation of endurance and strength workouts by Cathe herself. I'll go see if I can find it. It tells you what each of her tapes can be catagorized under...
As for your other posts: you may be confused because the term endurance is used in reference to both cardio and muscular workouts. Cardiovascular endurance is different than muscular endurance, in that cardio refers to your heart muscle's capacity to keep on pumping for long periods of time without feeling like it is going to burst, and your lungs capacity to keep breathing at an even pace for a long time! The basic concept is "keep going for an extended time." Same with muscular endurance: this refers to your muscles' abilities to keep moving/pushing/pulling/leaping/throwing etc. over an extended period of time. Strength refers more to your muscles' abilities to perform these movements for just a short amount of time. For example: if you have strength, you may be able to do a reallly hight tuck jump one time, pushing off with your legs into a very high above the earth place. If you have muscular endurance as well, you can do that same movement many times, without your legs turning to rubber after only a few times. If you also have cardiovascular endurance, you can sustain this pace. If you didn't have the strength, you wouldn't be able to do the movement in the first place. If you didn't have the musc. endurance, you wouldn' be able to keep your legs going. If you didn't have the cardio. endurance, you wouldn't be able to keep breathing, even if your legs could hold out...
Does this help at all?
I'll go try to find that link now...
Wendy
Anna, I know that what comes into play for a lot of people is the physical results they get from doing muscular strength workouts as opposed to muscular endurance workouts. For some people, lifting with a program that helps them gain strength will define their muscles in an attractive way. For others, it is a muscular endurance style of lifting that will help them become more defined.
If you do a search in both of the other "conferences" (Ask Cathe and Video Questions and Comments), there is an explanation of endurance and strength workouts by Cathe herself. I'll go see if I can find it. It tells you what each of her tapes can be catagorized under...
As for your other posts: you may be confused because the term endurance is used in reference to both cardio and muscular workouts. Cardiovascular endurance is different than muscular endurance, in that cardio refers to your heart muscle's capacity to keep on pumping for long periods of time without feeling like it is going to burst, and your lungs capacity to keep breathing at an even pace for a long time! The basic concept is "keep going for an extended time." Same with muscular endurance: this refers to your muscles' abilities to keep moving/pushing/pulling/leaping/throwing etc. over an extended period of time. Strength refers more to your muscles' abilities to perform these movements for just a short amount of time. For example: if you have strength, you may be able to do a reallly hight tuck jump one time, pushing off with your legs into a very high above the earth place. If you have muscular endurance as well, you can do that same movement many times, without your legs turning to rubber after only a few times. If you also have cardiovascular endurance, you can sustain this pace. If you didn't have the strength, you wouldn't be able to do the movement in the first place. If you didn't have the musc. endurance, you wouldn' be able to keep your legs going. If you didn't have the cardio. endurance, you wouldn't be able to keep breathing, even if your legs could hold out...
Does this help at all?
I'll go try to find that link now...
Wendy
Anna, I copied this from another thread:
Cathe's Response:
Hi Nikki! Here is the breakdown:
CTX WEIGHT WORKOUTS......These workouts are a cross between an endurance and strength workout. Because we move so quickly from exercise to exercise, the endurance aspect kicks in. But, at the same time, we don't really use super light weight and we do provide brief breaks so the strength aspect kicks in too. And finally, because we spend a fairly short amount of strength training time and on just one muscle group per workout, the maintenance aspect kicks in. Depending on how strong you currently are and what your goals are, will determine what these workouts can do for you. If you are just coming back to weights after a long time off, you will get more than maintenance from these 10 minute workouts. However, if you have been working out with weights regularily, then this 10 minute per body part work out will provide enough stimulation to maintain your current strength for about two to three weeks.
PS SERIES........This series is designed to promote mostly muscular strength. The three tapes are designed to be used as formatted. The layout of the exercises are set up to layer on muscle fatigue as you move from exercise to exercise. Thats not to say that you cannot interchange, substitute, and or tack on additional exercises here or there, but it mainly means that to get the optimal benefits from this workout, it should be used as was created. Those who are familiar with weight training and participate in regular rotation experimentation will be able to mix and match parts of this workout to assist in exercise variety, however, for someone who is not interested in doing this, they should rather do the series as provided and then use a whole other series for "shock value" when this particular rotation becomes too familiar to the body. Remember too, that once a routine becomes too familiar to the body that it doesn't mean that the workout will no longer encourage premium results again. It simply means to take a little break from it and do some other rotation before you use it again.
SLOW HEAVY SERIES.......This series is designed to promote PREMIUM muscular strength gains. This will be achieved by going through a series of exercises, performed in a uniquely slow and concentrated manner to eliminate momentum and thereby allow for maximum muscle fiber recruitment. Remember the overall effectiveness of the Slow and Heavy Series is not so much WHAT exercises you select but rather HOW you perform them. Regardless of your fitness level, if you select a weight that challenges you for all of the exercises for the duration of each rep, you will gain premium strength.
MIS.......This workout provides a combination of strength and endurance. Depending on your fitness level, you will pull more in one direction than the other. For instance, if you are new to fitness, deconditioned, or recovering from an injury, you will gain more strength because it will be quite a bit of work to your underused muscles. However, if you are currently very conditioned with weight training, you will most likely feel more endurance conditioning (yet never fully eliminating strength gains)from this workout because of the faster pace of the reps and brief rest periods between the exercises.
POWER HOUR.......Power Hour is designed to promote ALL OUT muscular endurance, good posture and functional fitness while improving your muscle tone and strengthening your core region. You will use a lighter weight than you typically would use for a traditional workout of three sets of 10 to 12 reps. To get superior results, you will need to find the most challenging weight possible that allows you to complete each rep for each exercise yet still maintain good form and alignment. To continue to receive the benefits of this muscular endurance workout, it is very important that you select a heavier weight for each exercise when your current weight selection no longer challenges you to the very last rep.
BODYMAX......This workout (in its entirety) provides OPTIMAL cardiovascular conditioning plus muscular endurance and strength conditioning. Part one (step aerobics) is complete cardiovascular conditioning, while part two (step aerobic/leg work blasts), continues with cardiovascular training and also begins to tap into muscular endurance gains for the legs. Part three (upper body conditioning and abs)begins to pull away from the cardiovascular aspects of the workout and kicks highly into muscular endurance/strength gains. Again, as with (MIS and CTX WEIGHTS)a combination of strength and endurance will be achieved in this portion of the workout for the same reasons as listed in those descriptions.
Hope this helps !
PS. While Power Hour may share some of the similar type of exercise feeling during the squat and lunge track, it differs greatly in layout and accomplishments. Power Hour will have a 6 min and 30 second song for squats and then a few songs later have another 6 min and 30 second song for lunges. Each of these songs will focus on doing highly repetitious, lighter weight, versions of squats/lunges with basically no break (maybe one 20 second break at one point)during the song(to promote ALL OUT muscular endurance of the legs). Leaner legs on the other hand, focuses only on legs for the entire workout (with a heavier weight) and offers frequent exercise breaks, more exercise variation, and promotes a combination of muscular strength and endurance. In summary, think of it as Power Hour being a total BODY endurance workout, while Leaner Legs being a total LEG endurance/strength workout.
Hope that helps, Anna!
Wendy
Cathe's Response:
Hi Nikki! Here is the breakdown:
CTX WEIGHT WORKOUTS......These workouts are a cross between an endurance and strength workout. Because we move so quickly from exercise to exercise, the endurance aspect kicks in. But, at the same time, we don't really use super light weight and we do provide brief breaks so the strength aspect kicks in too. And finally, because we spend a fairly short amount of strength training time and on just one muscle group per workout, the maintenance aspect kicks in. Depending on how strong you currently are and what your goals are, will determine what these workouts can do for you. If you are just coming back to weights after a long time off, you will get more than maintenance from these 10 minute workouts. However, if you have been working out with weights regularily, then this 10 minute per body part work out will provide enough stimulation to maintain your current strength for about two to three weeks.
PS SERIES........This series is designed to promote mostly muscular strength. The three tapes are designed to be used as formatted. The layout of the exercises are set up to layer on muscle fatigue as you move from exercise to exercise. Thats not to say that you cannot interchange, substitute, and or tack on additional exercises here or there, but it mainly means that to get the optimal benefits from this workout, it should be used as was created. Those who are familiar with weight training and participate in regular rotation experimentation will be able to mix and match parts of this workout to assist in exercise variety, however, for someone who is not interested in doing this, they should rather do the series as provided and then use a whole other series for "shock value" when this particular rotation becomes too familiar to the body. Remember too, that once a routine becomes too familiar to the body that it doesn't mean that the workout will no longer encourage premium results again. It simply means to take a little break from it and do some other rotation before you use it again.
SLOW HEAVY SERIES.......This series is designed to promote PREMIUM muscular strength gains. This will be achieved by going through a series of exercises, performed in a uniquely slow and concentrated manner to eliminate momentum and thereby allow for maximum muscle fiber recruitment. Remember the overall effectiveness of the Slow and Heavy Series is not so much WHAT exercises you select but rather HOW you perform them. Regardless of your fitness level, if you select a weight that challenges you for all of the exercises for the duration of each rep, you will gain premium strength.
MIS.......This workout provides a combination of strength and endurance. Depending on your fitness level, you will pull more in one direction than the other. For instance, if you are new to fitness, deconditioned, or recovering from an injury, you will gain more strength because it will be quite a bit of work to your underused muscles. However, if you are currently very conditioned with weight training, you will most likely feel more endurance conditioning (yet never fully eliminating strength gains)from this workout because of the faster pace of the reps and brief rest periods between the exercises.
POWER HOUR.......Power Hour is designed to promote ALL OUT muscular endurance, good posture and functional fitness while improving your muscle tone and strengthening your core region. You will use a lighter weight than you typically would use for a traditional workout of three sets of 10 to 12 reps. To get superior results, you will need to find the most challenging weight possible that allows you to complete each rep for each exercise yet still maintain good form and alignment. To continue to receive the benefits of this muscular endurance workout, it is very important that you select a heavier weight for each exercise when your current weight selection no longer challenges you to the very last rep.
BODYMAX......This workout (in its entirety) provides OPTIMAL cardiovascular conditioning plus muscular endurance and strength conditioning. Part one (step aerobics) is complete cardiovascular conditioning, while part two (step aerobic/leg work blasts), continues with cardiovascular training and also begins to tap into muscular endurance gains for the legs. Part three (upper body conditioning and abs)begins to pull away from the cardiovascular aspects of the workout and kicks highly into muscular endurance/strength gains. Again, as with (MIS and CTX WEIGHTS)a combination of strength and endurance will be achieved in this portion of the workout for the same reasons as listed in those descriptions.
Hope this helps !
PS. While Power Hour may share some of the similar type of exercise feeling during the squat and lunge track, it differs greatly in layout and accomplishments. Power Hour will have a 6 min and 30 second song for squats and then a few songs later have another 6 min and 30 second song for lunges. Each of these songs will focus on doing highly repetitious, lighter weight, versions of squats/lunges with basically no break (maybe one 20 second break at one point)during the song(to promote ALL OUT muscular endurance of the legs). Leaner legs on the other hand, focuses only on legs for the entire workout (with a heavier weight) and offers frequent exercise breaks, more exercise variation, and promotes a combination of muscular strength and endurance. In summary, think of it as Power Hour being a total BODY endurance workout, while Leaner Legs being a total LEG endurance/strength workout.
Hope that helps, Anna!
Wendy
I have the Oxford English dictionary in front of me, looking up the word Endurance, and surprisingly, the term Endurance, quote, is
'suffer something painful and prolonged patiently (tolerate)'
Mmmm, this sounds like IMAX........:7
So, I am concluding from this that yes exercise is indeed (pleasurably) painful, and is prolonged/tolerated patiently the more that you partake in exercise, and subsequently get better at it. What happens when the body becomes use to a particular weight, and you get no further results, you increase your weights, etc, etc.
So, maybe a certain type of exercise can't be classed as ENDURANCE, but instead it is a benefit derived from partaking in types of exercise....?
Am I making any sense ?
Because I am now slowly beginning to think I imagined there ever being a type of exercise, called Endurance, and that my stupid brain wanted to believe there was ? So, in that case then workouts combinig weights and cardio have to be classed as Cross Training.
And yes, Wendy, I also think you are right, I DO get confused about the differences between muscular endurance and cardio endurance. Is PH more endurance based than MIS ?????
I too am going to zip on over to Ask Cathe, and do a search for that thread.
Thanks Wendy and Janice
Anna
PS: You can tell it is TTOTM, can't you ? :-rollen
'suffer something painful and prolonged patiently (tolerate)'
Mmmm, this sounds like IMAX........:7
So, I am concluding from this that yes exercise is indeed (pleasurably) painful, and is prolonged/tolerated patiently the more that you partake in exercise, and subsequently get better at it. What happens when the body becomes use to a particular weight, and you get no further results, you increase your weights, etc, etc.
So, maybe a certain type of exercise can't be classed as ENDURANCE, but instead it is a benefit derived from partaking in types of exercise....?
Am I making any sense ?
Because I am now slowly beginning to think I imagined there ever being a type of exercise, called Endurance, and that my stupid brain wanted to believe there was ? So, in that case then workouts combinig weights and cardio have to be classed as Cross Training.
And yes, Wendy, I also think you are right, I DO get confused about the differences between muscular endurance and cardio endurance. Is PH more endurance based than MIS ?????
I too am going to zip on over to Ask Cathe, and do a search for that thread.
Thanks Wendy and Janice
Anna
PS: You can tell it is TTOTM, can't you ? :-rollen
OMG, Wendy, you beat me to it !!!!!!! And a BIG thankyou, yes it does indeed make perfect sense to me now, and explains the Oxford English dictionary meaning, much better than I did !!!!!!!! In fact I am going to print this out, as Cathe explains this beautifully.
Thankyou,
(a no longer confused) Anna
Thankyou,
(a no longer confused) Anna