eat everything in moderation
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Cathlete
I enjoyed reading this forum first off, thank you! 
I find that organic is much more expensive, which is too bad because I am on a tight budget unfortunately.
I do what I can.
Also, I am trying to avoid buying store brand skim milk these days (have been reading about the growth hormones, and how these hormones can lead to cancer in some people).
Therefore, I buy Hood or Garelick Farms (which ever is on sale!) where it says "no added growth hormones". We have a lot of breast cancer in my family (my mom and her sister!)
BUT - the meat I eat has growth hormones in it too I am sure. There is sometimes no way to avoid these things unless I buy my meats organic---which I cannot because it runs into too much money!
AGGHH!!
You just can't live your life in fear I guess. I try my best to drink tons of water, excercise, and most important---be a good person because you never know what can happen in life!
On that note, have a great Friday all!
"Life is short - Be the best you can be every day of your life"
I find that organic is much more expensive, which is too bad because I am on a tight budget unfortunately.
I do what I can.
Also, I am trying to avoid buying store brand skim milk these days (have been reading about the growth hormones, and how these hormones can lead to cancer in some people).
Therefore, I buy Hood or Garelick Farms (which ever is on sale!) where it says "no added growth hormones". We have a lot of breast cancer in my family (my mom and her sister!)
BUT - the meat I eat has growth hormones in it too I am sure. There is sometimes no way to avoid these things unless I buy my meats organic---which I cannot because it runs into too much money!
AGGHH!!
You just can't live your life in fear I guess. I try my best to drink tons of water, excercise, and most important---be a good person because you never know what can happen in life!
On that note, have a great Friday all!
"Life is short - Be the best you can be every day of your life"
Amy Steppe
Cathlete
Hi Beavs,
I don't flame anybody. It got past that and now think flaming is a waste of time and energy, so not to worry!
My husband cooks for himself. Like his father, he loves to cook.
So I am on my own regarding the way I eat.
I am going to stick to my guns about this one though.
It is still a lot easier to eat poorly than eat well.
And public schools are very reluctant to change menus since they can purchase unhealhty meals at a more economical price.
Before I got sick, I was working on my doctoral dissertation.
It was on Coordinated School Health.
During my research, I found most schools were not interested in or reluctant to offer healthy alternatives to the usual unhealthy fare.
But a few schools did agree to take soda and snack machines out of their schools or provide more healthy drinks and snacks in the machines. But face it, these companies make more and less expensive unhealthy products.
It's all about supply and demand and economics.
Here is the Catch-22 for schools. They get paid by the companies that provide the soda and snack machines.
Since most school work with very tight budgets, they need the revenue.
On another note:
Education on healthy eating is a slow process and many people don't have the financial resources and/or the desire to make changes toward a more healthy lifestyle.
Regarding certain healh related behaviors, people go through what academics refer to as "Stages of Change". There can be several relapses, prior to change. At some point, some people relapse for good even after adopting the change and others are successful in changing the undesired behavior.
Consider the person who says, "I smoke" "I know it's bad" "I will quit - someday" Then they make the decision to quit smoking. Most of the time, the person relapses into the unhealthy behavior before actually changing for good.
I hope this makes sense -- I have trouble with cognition at times.
Cheers!
Amy
I don't flame anybody. It got past that and now think flaming is a waste of time and energy, so not to worry!
My husband cooks for himself. Like his father, he loves to cook.
So I am on my own regarding the way I eat.
I am going to stick to my guns about this one though.
It is still a lot easier to eat poorly than eat well.
And public schools are very reluctant to change menus since they can purchase unhealhty meals at a more economical price.
Before I got sick, I was working on my doctoral dissertation.
It was on Coordinated School Health.
During my research, I found most schools were not interested in or reluctant to offer healthy alternatives to the usual unhealthy fare.
But a few schools did agree to take soda and snack machines out of their schools or provide more healthy drinks and snacks in the machines. But face it, these companies make more and less expensive unhealthy products.
It's all about supply and demand and economics.
Here is the Catch-22 for schools. They get paid by the companies that provide the soda and snack machines.
Since most school work with very tight budgets, they need the revenue.
On another note:
Education on healthy eating is a slow process and many people don't have the financial resources and/or the desire to make changes toward a more healthy lifestyle.
Regarding certain healh related behaviors, people go through what academics refer to as "Stages of Change". There can be several relapses, prior to change. At some point, some people relapse for good even after adopting the change and others are successful in changing the undesired behavior.
Consider the person who says, "I smoke" "I know it's bad" "I will quit - someday" Then they make the decision to quit smoking. Most of the time, the person relapses into the unhealthy behavior before actually changing for good.
I hope this makes sense -- I have trouble with cognition at times.
Cheers!
Amy
Beavs
Cathlete
I agree with much of what you say Amy and I think it does come down to economics. I think my company cafeteria must get a good deal on pork because they serve it weekly (to a company filled with Muslims, Jews, and Hindus no less). I have tried to push for healthier options at the cafeteria but the burgers and grease covered cheese stakes sell. Only weirdos like me want the black Bean burger and poached salmon so I have resigned myself to packing my own lunches (microwaving salmon is too painful for me to contemplate). However, I still argue that Ramen Noodles and store brand boxed mac & cheese are cheaper than some good fresh veggies. Fruit Loops and twelve packs of cola are another matter. Personally, I do grow fresh veggies and donate a portion of them to the homeless shelter in hopes of helping them avoid the absolutely terrible taste of canned veggies. ;-)
Amy Steppe
Cathlete
Hi Kathryn,
While I appreciate your post, I have the following counter arguement specifically regarding your post about cost of potatos in chips, etc.
Most people are not going to calculate the cost of potatos versus the amount they receive. They either don't know or they don't care about calculating the cost of potatos per ounce.
I know it is not rocket science to make such calculations, but most people don't give a darn or they really do not know how to do this. For example, where I live, there are many indigent people, including immigrants from Mexico who are barely thriving at all. They have limited access to food and, unfortunately to health care, but that is another story and it's a sad one.
Back on track:
There is an economic law that states that when an economy or a person experience financial hardship or is in financial straights they will turn to "inferior" goods.
This means they will purchase what THEY perceive as less expensive. At one time before all the fancy soups arrived, Campbell's Condensed Soups were considered an inferior good by economists. Now the inferior good may be potato chips, .99 white bread, or ramen noodles.
While I appreciate your post, I have the following counter arguement specifically regarding your post about cost of potatos in chips, etc.
Most people are not going to calculate the cost of potatos versus the amount they receive. They either don't know or they don't care about calculating the cost of potatos per ounce.
I know it is not rocket science to make such calculations, but most people don't give a darn or they really do not know how to do this. For example, where I live, there are many indigent people, including immigrants from Mexico who are barely thriving at all. They have limited access to food and, unfortunately to health care, but that is another story and it's a sad one.
Back on track:
There is an economic law that states that when an economy or a person experience financial hardship or is in financial straights they will turn to "inferior" goods.
This means they will purchase what THEY perceive as less expensive. At one time before all the fancy soups arrived, Campbell's Condensed Soups were considered an inferior good by economists. Now the inferior good may be potato chips, .99 white bread, or ramen noodles.
Amy Steppe
Cathlete
But Kathryn, many people do not even know what a trans fat is much less what an Omega 6 is. Likewise they don't know what an Omega 3 fat is and why it is healthy.
They might see it on a label, but if you query the average shopper, they see it, but they don't know what is means.
Ditto nutritional labels.
I worked with a committe that educated diabetics on how to read food labels properly. That was a very enlightening experience for me. They had no idea of what a trans fat is or how to even read the now standardized nutritional labels.
They might see it on a label, but if you query the average shopper, they see it, but they don't know what is means.
Ditto nutritional labels.
I worked with a committe that educated diabetics on how to read food labels properly. That was a very enlightening experience for me. They had no idea of what a trans fat is or how to even read the now standardized nutritional labels.
Amy Steppe
Cathlete
Hi Beavs,
Without even reading your post until now, I just stated the same thing in a different way.
Also, can you post or PM the recipe for pasta primavera? I can't make my own pasta, but I actually have some whole wheat pasta in my pantry.
Without even reading your post until now, I just stated the same thing in a different way.
Also, can you post or PM the recipe for pasta primavera? I can't make my own pasta, but I actually have some whole wheat pasta in my pantry.
kathryn
Cathlete
Amy,
Your posts point to the definite lack of nutrition education in our schools(unbiased education, rather than the pseudo advertising sponsored by food manufacturers that passes for education).
Every community would benefit from having free workshops teaching consumers basic nutrition and how to read labels.
Amy, I don't understand how a thread talking about eating clean, addressed to those who know what it means, and who ostensibly DO know what omega 3's are, becomes a thread discussing the average shopper?
My comments were directed to the former, which may be why we seem in conflict.
Your posts point to the definite lack of nutrition education in our schools(unbiased education, rather than the pseudo advertising sponsored by food manufacturers that passes for education).
Every community would benefit from having free workshops teaching consumers basic nutrition and how to read labels.
Amy, I don't understand how a thread talking about eating clean, addressed to those who know what it means, and who ostensibly DO know what omega 3's are, becomes a thread discussing the average shopper?
My comments were directed to the former, which may be why we seem in conflict.
kathryn
Cathlete
>Kathryn,
>I'd love to try almond milk but I fear the almonds would costs
>as much as two Allman Bros tickets ;-)
LOL!
Prepackaged almond milk is rather pricey. But you can make over a quart of homemade almond milk with 1/2 cup of raw almonds. Makes at least 1 quart plus a 10-oz glass. You don't even need a fancy milk-making machine, just a good blender. Soak almonds overnight, rinse and drain, put in blender with water, blend until smooth, adding vanilla and a pinch of salt maybe some agave nectar (all optional, the first time you make it, taste as you go, and add what you think you might like), then strain through cheesecloth (you can save the pulp to add to a recipe for baking, like muffins or cookies, or mix with coconut and dehydrate for cookie).
>I'd love to try almond milk but I fear the almonds would costs
>as much as two Allman Bros tickets
;-) LOL!
Prepackaged almond milk is rather pricey. But you can make over a quart of homemade almond milk with 1/2 cup of raw almonds. Makes at least 1 quart plus a 10-oz glass. You don't even need a fancy milk-making machine, just a good blender. Soak almonds overnight, rinse and drain, put in blender with water, blend until smooth, adding vanilla and a pinch of salt maybe some agave nectar (all optional, the first time you make it, taste as you go, and add what you think you might like), then strain through cheesecloth (you can save the pulp to add to a recipe for baking, like muffins or cookies, or mix with coconut and dehydrate for cookie).
kathryn
Cathlete
>There is sometimes no way to avoid these things unless I buy
>my meats organic---which I cannot because it runs into too
>much money!
>
>AGGHH!!
You sound so frustrated and powerless here. Somethings are unavoidable, it's true (death and taxes being two of them, LOL!) but growth hormones isn't on the list. The clearest way to avoid them is to stop eating meat! Barring that, you can combine reducing your consumption of it, and buying organic when you do. If you live in a rural area, local farmers might be able to provide you with hormone-free meat (and will have treated their animals more humanely than those raised on factory farms).
>my meats organic---which I cannot because it runs into too
>much money!
>
>AGGHH!!
You sound so frustrated and powerless here. Somethings are unavoidable, it's true (death and taxes being two of them, LOL!) but growth hormones isn't on the list. The clearest way to avoid them is to stop eating meat! Barring that, you can combine reducing your consumption of it, and buying organic when you do. If you live in a rural area, local farmers might be able to provide you with hormone-free meat (and will have treated their animals more humanely than those raised on factory farms).
nancy324
Cathlete
Different things work for different people. When I was growing up, my mother said "everything in moderation" so many times, I don't even like the word "moderation". It automatically makes me feel inferior because I'm incapable of achieving it. If I eat one cookie, I must have the whole box. I spent several years of my life being obese. But if I never touch anything sweet, I don't miss it, and I'm just fine!
I love huge quantities of food. Most nights I eat a salad so humongous, I can barely see my DH over the top. I then follow it up with a big bag of popcorn. Then I eat lots of fruit or a few yogurts. I am basically eating from the time I walk in the door at night until I fall asleep! But it works for me. I never cease to be amazed that I never gain weight, but I don't. I'm currently 5'3" and 112 lbs. and no one is more amazed than I am. I haven't weighed so little since I was 17 years old. I'm not that great at clean eating. I still eat things that have artificial sweeteners. All I really did was (mostly) cut out simple carbs, and I watch my fats. But one thing I never do is try to control my portion sizes.
Different strokes for different folks. You have to find what works for you by trial and error. Good luck!
P.S. Maybe I should write an "Eat Till You Plotz" diet book. :+
I love huge quantities of food. Most nights I eat a salad so humongous, I can barely see my DH over the top. I then follow it up with a big bag of popcorn. Then I eat lots of fruit or a few yogurts. I am basically eating from the time I walk in the door at night until I fall asleep! But it works for me. I never cease to be amazed that I never gain weight, but I don't. I'm currently 5'3" and 112 lbs. and no one is more amazed than I am. I haven't weighed so little since I was 17 years old. I'm not that great at clean eating. I still eat things that have artificial sweeteners. All I really did was (mostly) cut out simple carbs, and I watch my fats. But one thing I never do is try to control my portion sizes.
Different strokes for different folks. You have to find what works for you by trial and error. Good luck!
P.S. Maybe I should write an "Eat Till You Plotz" diet book.
:+
kathryn
Cathlete
>If I eat one cookie, I must have the whole box.
> I spent several years of my life being obese. But if I never
>touch anything sweet, I don't miss it, and I'm just fine!
Me, too, when it comes to simple carbs. I can just keep eating chips or cookies, but I never really feel satisfied by them. I know it's because my body isn't really getting any nutrition from them, and is still in search of it.
Funny (perhaps strange) thing: I've been experimenting with some edible wild plants (aka "weeds"!) in my garden, and recently discovered purslane (also known under the very ugly name 'pigweed'). It tastes great! For a snack today, I 'weeded' (leaving the roots, so more will grow back) my garden of purslane and ate it. It was only about 1/2 cup worth, but it was strangely satisfying. Not in a 'my stomach is full' way, but in another way, a 'I don't need anything more right now' way.
>
> I spent several years of my life being obese. But if I never
>touch anything sweet, I don't miss it, and I'm just fine!
Me, too, when it comes to simple carbs. I can just keep eating chips or cookies, but I never really feel satisfied by them. I know it's because my body isn't really getting any nutrition from them, and is still in search of it.
Funny (perhaps strange) thing: I've been experimenting with some edible wild plants (aka "weeds"!) in my garden, and recently discovered purslane (also known under the very ugly name 'pigweed'). It tastes great! For a snack today, I 'weeded' (leaving the roots, so more will grow back) my garden of purslane and ate it. It was only about 1/2 cup worth, but it was strangely satisfying. Not in a 'my stomach is full' way, but in another way, a 'I don't need anything more right now' way.
>
Mmmmm....transfatty goodness *drools*
You mean 12 donuts isn't moderation?
Seriously, though, I don't think there is anything you can't eat in moderation. I don't care what anyone says. We only live once.
*exits stage right, munching cheetos*
Debbie
Homer: How is education supposed to make me feel smarter? Besides, every time I learn something new, it pushes some old stuff out of my brain. Remember when I took that home winemaking course, and I forgot how to drive?
--The Simpsons
You mean 12 donuts isn't moderation?
Seriously, though, I don't think there is anything you can't eat in moderation. I don't care what anyone says. We only live once.
*exits stage right, munching cheetos*
Debbie
Homer: How is education supposed to make me feel smarter? Besides, every time I learn something new, it pushes some old stuff out of my brain. Remember when I took that home winemaking course, and I forgot how to drive?
--The Simpsons
Actually, though, Nancy, your evening "extended meal" sounds very clean to me, unless there's lots of sugar in the yogurts - AND you eat maybe about 700 or 800 total calories in the evening? That's what plenty of people eat for dinner, but they're not getting the fiber and vitamins from the fruits, veggies and whole grain that you're getting. So I think your plan sounds super-sensible! For many people dinner is an 800-calorie frozen or take-out dinner, PLUS dessert, PLUS snacks, so you're the queen of healthiness by comparison! And if you really enjoy all these foods, you've got the perfect situation for yourself. Carry on!