dirtdiva,christine and other mountain bikers

janie1234

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Hello all. So I've taken up mountain biking and dirtdiva suggested a few months back. I'm a total newbie but it is fun. This is quite the cardio workout. Can anyone give me some sites or advice to boost my confidence level? Up hills are tough but going down hill is sometimes down right scary. I'm fortunate to live in Northern California where there is a huge range of trails but, . . . I do have to admit I am a big fat scardy cat when it comes to heights and some of the switch backs just down right freak me out. To make matters worse I go with my husband who must be going through some mid life crisis because he acts like he's some 20 year old jumping tall mountains and rocks in a single bound. Of course here I am a total chicken putting on the breaks all the time. I know I'm new and it just takes practice but any pointers anyone might have would be appreciated. Websites or something? I just ordered a new Specialized mountain bike, . . dang it this sport is expensive! I've heard some hard core mountain bikers actually own several bikes. Do you really need hydrolic breaks and dual suspension as a newbie?? Thanks again everyone!
 
I personally am old fashioned when it comes to bikes. I like a front suspension and a hard tail, and have ridden races with an aluminum hard tailed bike. It's not the bike as much as the learning curve that you are facing. There are a lot of tricks to mountain biking that are not necessarily self evident. If you are near the Bay Area, the Velogirls (http://www.velogirls.com/) offer great training classes. It's a wonderful group and I really enjoy being a part of them.

First - do you have either toe clips (aka rat cages :)) or clipless shoes? You have to have something to hold your feet on to the pedals. Second - think about where you are on the saddle as you ride. If you are going up a steep hill, you'll want to be forward on the saddle - basically sitting on the nose (keep your butt down on the bike as it will give you more traction and keep the front tire from coming up). If you are going down hill, sit as far back as possible (some cyclists even end up with their abs on the seat and butt hanging off they push so far back) to keep the back tire on the ground. Third - speed is your friend. It's much easier to go over obstacles quickly than to try to go over them slowly. Fourth - know you will fall. I classify mountain bikers as going through 5 stages:

1. Newbie - your bike handling skills and your balance both suck, and you'll fall frequently.

2. Advanced beginner - the balance is better, but the bike handling skills are still being learned.

3. Intermediate - both are starting to gel, but you're still slow, afraid you will fall.

4. Advanced Intermediate - both are decent, but you're getting cocky - this is the phase that seems to hurt the most.:eek:

5. Advanced -you know your limits and can ride most trails without falling.

Unfortunately there are a lot of bruises between 1 and 5. :p If you take courses you'll get further faster. I know the groups meets every Wed night at the Standford Dish in the summer. Great group of gals, too.
 
Hey Christine clips, . . well, . . I don't know if I'm up for having my feet strapped onto clips. I know that eventually I will have to but shouldn't I get comfortable on my new bike first? Any brand you reccomend for women? Thanks for all the info by the way. I can't wait to try it out when this rain stops.
 
Believe me, you will feel a lot more secure once you get used to toe clips or clipless. You can start with something like this - http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?...id=473&zenid=f0b020eaa7fad9257b4d296a618b8a2b which will allow you to get in and out a lot easier but still have more security over rough terrain. I'd start this with your new bike so you can get used to everything at once. I started with the full clips (the cage with the straps) and believe me, this made the single biggest difference as a beginner - I could go over rocks and bumps and those wonderful "Whoppe-de-doo's" without my feet coming off the pedals. I have since switched to clipless and like them even better but there is more of a learning curve.

I have SPD pedals - really basic ones - and just fairly basic shoes (I don't go fast enough to need the fancy schmancy shoes), but I love them. They really do give you more support and allow you to take full advantage of each pedal stroke (read - getting up hill is a bit easier...). Your local bike shop should be able to get you set up with those. And the SPD have the advantage of working with spin bikes, so if you ever take up spinning, you can use your shoes there, too.
 
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Hey Christine thanks again for the advice! Man this sport is expensive! Well, . . I'll let you know how this all goes. I'm excited to try out everything you reccomended. Especially your tips on form. I guess I'll go clip and shoe shopping next. :( More money!! I hate to say this since CA really needs the rain but I sorta wish it would stop so I can get biking!
 
Amen - problem is that it will take 2 weeks of dry weather so that the trails are truly ridable. I really don't know what to wish for... :p I am training for the LiveStrong 100 mile ride, so I'm not mountain biking right now, but I wouldn't mind doing a recovery ride on the MTB. Yes, cycling is expensive. :(
 
Oh I know how expensive this sport can be! Start out smart and don't let any man out there say their shoes or clothes will fit you. I have 4 bikes, and I wouldn't buy a bike today without disc brakes, be they hydraulics or mechanical. Two of my bikes are full suspension, two are hardtails and I love them all. It depends on what I'm riding that day. When you get your Specialized, make sure you are fitted by the bike shop. They should be able to swap out your stem if its too long and adjust your saddle forward or backwards so the fit is just right among other things. Your saddle angle will be a big deal, so play with that. Switchback climbing is better dealt with a shorter stem (you'll be able to climb easier). I don't know what your head angle is on your bike, but going downhill, sit back on the saddle, stretch your arms forward like you are sledding, it will be much harder to endo that way (fly over the handlebars). The steeper the decline, the more you want to sit back on that saddle, sometimes I am over the back wheel and not even on the saddle. Like Christine said, start out with clips, forget the flat pedals. I'm not a fan at all on cages, they are more dangerous (to me) then clips as your front foot can be trapped in. I would go for mountainbike shoes with spd clips and a basic Shimano set-up. There are lots of places on line to buy, you could get shoes for $50 and pedals for the same price. Be careful about the fit of the shoe to begin with. You want a snug heel so you can break out of the pedal when you need to. If your heel slips when you walk in them, they aren't right for you. I would really suggest looking at Shimano, Diadora and Sidi as they have a great women's line. I'm not sure about the trails out there, if they are muddy, but my favorite pedal is the Shimano 969, I have four sets and they are bomb-proof. Buy them once and your are done with it. They release very nice and you won't get stuck in your pedals because they have a beautiful adjustment. You'll struggle hard to keep your feet on pedals and the first time over a log you'll be flopping all over the place. With clips, you become one with the bike, climbing will be so much easier and I know it will be a little intimidating at first, but it will all *click* after a few rides. You'll crash every now and then, but it's not going to stop you, promise!

Get yourself a good pair of shorts, like Sugoi, Pearl Izumi, Primal. A few jerseys with a zip back pocket, a couple of sports bras. You need a camelbak with a bunji cord on the back. Not to mention you will never ride without a helmet...right?!! I would suggest full-finger gloves if its not too hot, your grip will be more secure on your bars, especially if you sweat. Socks are also something that will make your day, and bike socks are the most fun socks! In other words, you want to be comfortable. Somewhere down the line you'll add a jacket and longer shorts or riding pants.

I know the start-up is daunting, but it settles down after a while, and then its just maintenance issues on the bikes. I can't stress enough about keeping your chain clean, it will keep your drive-train in such good shape. Pay attention to your tires. If the trail is very hard, underinflate them some for better grip. You'll find that these little things make a difference.

Also, don't try and keep up with your husband, if it makes you uncomfortable. Go at your own pace, keep your eyes scanning 4 to 6 feet ahead of your wheel and relax. Momentum is definitely your friend, go too slow over a log or rock and you will naturally come to a stop. Get off the saddle slightly and roll over stuff, and hang on to those grips. Brake with your rear brake first, not the front brake or you'll have the dreaded over the bars event. Sometimes it helps to *brake* and steer at the same time when you come to tricky spots and you want more control. If I'm navigating a switchback that is particularly sharp, braking in the corner helps me out every time.

What ever you do, don't let anyone push you to go faster or do what you don't want to do. Everybody has a learning curve and suddenly it will all make sense. If you have any questions about bike parts, just send me a pm. Below are two places to really learn about biking. Mtbr.com has a woman's forum, which is the first link below. You'll have every question answered there. The second link is a list of all the bike associations in California. The rest are sites to shop from, which have good prices and sales from time to time. Personally, I do the bulk of my bike shopping on line, the prices are better unless you have a great bike shop you go to. Hands down, the best women's shopping is at TeamEstrogen.com, they have great customer service. You will love this and its the best form of copious fat burning fun in the world!

http://forums.mtbr.com/forumdisplay.php?f=94

http://mtb.live555.com/mtb-norcal.html

http://www.teamestrogen.com/?utm_source=teamestrogen.com&utm_medium=urlbar&utm_campaign=dns

http://www.performancebike.com/index.cfm

http://www.jensonusa.com/?sc=ggl&x=y

http://www.sierratradingpost.com/d/4287_Cycling-Gear.html?cm_re=Control-_-Merch-_-OCyclingGear

rei.com

http://www.sidiusa.com/mtb.html
 
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Oh I know how expensive this sport can be! Start out smart and don't let any man out there say their shoes or clothes will fit you. I have 4 bikes, and I wouldn't buy a bike today without disc brakes, be they hydraulics or mechanical. Two of my bikes are full suspension, two are hardtails and I love them all. It depends on what I'm riding that day. When you get your Specialized, make sure you are fitted by the bike shop. They should be able to swap out your stem if its too long and adjust your saddle forward or backwards so the fit is just right among other things. Your saddle angle will be a big deal, so play with that. Switchback climbing is better dealt with a shorter stem (you'll be able to climb easier). I don't know what your head angle is on your bike, but going downhill, sit back on the saddle, stretch your arms forward like you are sledding, it will be much harder to endo that way (fly over the handlebars). The steeper the decline, the more you want to sit back on that saddle, sometimes I am over the back wheel and not even on the saddle. Like Christine said, start out with clips, forget the flat pedals. I'm not a fan at all on cages, they are more dangerous (to me) then clips as your front foot can be trapped in. I would go for mountainbike shoes with spd clips and a basic Shimano set-up. There are lots of places on line to buy, you could get shoes for $50 and pedals for the same price. Be careful about the fit of the shoe to begin with. You want a snug heel so you can break out of the pedal when you need to. If your heel slips when you walk in them, they aren't right for you. I would really suggest looking at Shimano, Diadora and Sidi as they have a great women's line. I'm not sure about the trails out there, if they are muddy, but my favorite pedal is the Shimano 969, I have four sets and they are bomb-proof. Buy them once and your are done with it. They release very nice and you won't get stuck in your pedals because they have a beautiful adjustment. You'll struggle hard to keep your feet on pedals and the first time over a log you'll be flopping all over the place. With clips, you become one with the bike, climbing will be so much easier and I know it will be a little intimidating at first, but it will all *click* after a few rides. You'll crash every now and then, but it's not going to stop you, promise!

Get yourself a good pair of shorts, like Sugoi, Pearl Izumi, Primal. A few jerseys with a zip back pocket, a couple of sports bras. You need a camelbak with a bunji cord on the back. Not to mention you will never ride without a helmet...right?!! I would suggest full-finger gloves if its not too hot, your grip will be more secure on your bars, especially if you sweat. Socks are also something that will make your day, and bike socks are the most fun socks! In other words, you want to be comfortable. Somewhere down the line you'll add a jacket and longer shorts or riding pants.

I know the start-up is daunting, but it settles down after a while, and then its just maintenance issues on the bikes. I can't stress enough about keeping your chain clean, it will keep your drive-train in such good shape. Pay attention to your tires. If the trail is very hard, underinflate them some for better grip. You'll find that these little things make a difference.

Also, don't try and keep up with your husband, if it makes you uncomfortable. Go at your own pace, keep your eyes scanning 4 to 6 feet ahead of your wheel and relax. Momentum is definitely your friend, go too slow over a log or rock and you will naturally come to a stop. Get off the saddle slightly and roll over stuff, and hang on to those grips. Brake with your rear brake first, not the front brake or you'll have the dreaded over the bars event. Sometimes it helps to *brake* and steer at the same time when you come to tricky spots and you want more control. If I'm navigating a switchback that is particularly sharp, braking in the corner helps me out every time.

What ever you do, don't let anyone push you to go faster or do what you don't want to do. Everybody has a learning curve and suddenly it will all make sense. If you have any questions about bike parts, just send me a pm. Below are two places to really learn about biking. Mtbr.com has a woman's forum, which is the first link below. You'll have every question answered there. The second link is a list of all the bike associations in California. The rest are sites to shop from, which have good prices and sales from time to time. Personally, I do the bulk of my bike shopping on line, the prices are better unless you have a great bike shop you go to. Hands down, the best women's shopping is at TeamEstrogen.com, they have great customer service. You will love this and its the best form of copious fat burning fun in the world!

http://forums.mtbr.com/forumdisplay.php?f=94

http://mtb.live555.com/mtb-norcal.html

http://www.teamestrogen.com/?utm_source=teamestrogen.com&utm_medium=urlbar&utm_campaign=dns

http://www.performancebike.com/index.cfm

http://www.jensonusa.com/?sc=ggl&x=y

http://www.sierratradingpost.com/d/4287_Cycling-Gear.html?cm_re=Control-_-Merch-_-OCyclingGear

rei.com

http://www.sidiusa.com/mtb.html

Holy Moly DirtDiva, . . you know your bikes! You have 4 of them???!! I could barely afford 1. THANKS a million!! Okay, . . . all that jazz about size was a little over my head, . . I'm still trying to understand the lingo, but the guy at the shop did have me ride around a few bikes just to get the size right. I didn't know you could take it apart and switch sizes around, . . you see what happens when you ask questions, . . .you learn a whole lot! I guess I'll know when I have the bike on the trails if the size is right. The terrain here varries and when I say varries I mean it, from gravel, to packed dirt, logs, and rocks. I will have my pick and choose of how hard or easy but a lot of the state parks here have switch backs that are steep. I only know because I've trail run or hiked them all but bike them now that is a different story. Now about the chain cleaning thing, I hope you don't mind me asking, . . how do yo clean your bike when you are done riding. There is a lot of mud on some of the trails, some have creeks and such. Thanks again for all the websites you posted. I should be working but I'll be checking them out.:)
 
Holy Moly DirtDiva, . . you know your bikes! You have 4 of them???!! I could barely afford 1. THANKS a million!! Okay, . . . all that jazz about size was a little over my head, . . I'm still trying to understand the lingo, but the guy at the shop did have me ride around a few bikes just to get the size right. I didn't know you could take it apart and switch sizes around, . . you see what happens when you ask questions, . . .you learn a whole lot! I guess I'll know when I have the bike on the trails if the size is right. The terrain here varries and when I say varries I mean it, from gravel, to packed dirt, logs, and rocks. I will have my pick and choose of how hard or easy but a lot of the state parks here have switch backs that are steep. I only know because I've trail run or hiked them all but bike them now that is a different story. Now about the chain cleaning thing, I hope you don't mind me asking, . . how do yo clean your bike when you are done riding. There is a lot of mud on some of the trails, some have creeks and such. Thanks again for all the websites you posted. I should be working but I'll be checking them out.:)


How tall are you? If you tell me what bike you've bought, I know you said Specialized (which is builder) but can you tell me the name of the bike? The difference between men and women when sizing, is that men's arms are longer and their legs are shorter. On women, its opposite. Our shoulders are narrower also, so your bars should be a tad bit cut off. Wider bars will be awesome for ribbon riding, but narrower bars are much better for tighter steering and cornering. I have a feeling you are going to be riding a small frame, or if you are over 5.5" probably a medium.

If this is a new bike purchase, they should be throwing in free tune-ups for a year and probably 10% off clothing and some parts at the bike shop.

Cleaning your bike is a touchy thing...if its covered in mud you'll want to get it off the drive train, but never blast it with a hose. It should be coming very gently from the hose, you don't want to soak your bike with water ever. I rinse my bike, then use my fingers to loosen the bigger globs. This can take a while, but I'm not going to risk getting water into my shifters or other parts. After I've got all the mud off, I dry the bike with a rag and lightly dry the chain and then re-lube the chain. Probably a good lube for you in your area would be Pedro's or Pro-Link. Always re-lube the chain after rinsing the bike off. Main places to get the mud and crud off is the drive-train, your front and rear derailleurs, your rear cassette.

I don't know if you got yourself a hardtail or a full-suspension bike. I'd love to know what fork is on your bike (the front suspension). Ask the bike shop to give you a complimentary Lizard Skin to cover up your rear chain-stay. That's what the chain is going to slap against while riding, and it will mess up that part of your bike quickly. The Lizard Skin wraps around the chain stay and keeps it free from all the carnage.

Ohhh, and mostly, you can let your chariot get dusty and somewhat dirty everywhere (except the drivetrain) no worries! Don't worry about the chips and scratches, its a mountainbike and they will only become badges. I know a couple of my friends like to put stickers over the scratches if they are really awful, I have a spider on my top tube that I'm sort of fond of. The other thing which is fun, is a little mojo to add to your bike. Mine is a woman warrior. Hope the pic shows this.
 
How tall are you? If you tell me what bike you've bought, I know you said Specialized (which is builder) but can you tell me the name of the bike?

The other thing which is fun, is a little mojo to add to your bike. Mine is a woman warrior. Hope the pic shows this.

That mojo pic just put such a huge smile on my face! You are really pumping me up with this whole mountain bike thing. I started off kinda scared but now I think I can really do this! You make it sound like so much fun!
Here is the bike I got.
http://www.specialized.com/bc/SBCBkModel.jsp?spid=40592&eid=215
The bike shop just called and said that it was here I'll be able to pick it up on Sunday. They had me ride a bunch of bikes to determine size, . . . I forget which size they picked for me but it was comfortable when I tested it. I would have loved to afford the hydrolic brakes but I just couldn't afford it. I hope that you think that it is a good bike at least for a beginner. By the way I'm 5 feet tall.
 
That's because it IS fun! There's nothing like riding on a beautiful day with friends and spanning miles and at the same time getting into the best shape of your life.

Your bike is beautiful! Mechanical brakes are awesome and Avid makes the best mechanicals. Lots of people prefer them over hydraulics because they don't have to the fluid issues.

This is a classic hardtail, you have 3 or 4 inches of suspension depending on how you set up your front fork. 80 mm = 3 inches.... 100 mm = 4. When you pick up the bike, have them explain how to adjust your front fork. They'll show you how to adjust the knobs to make your ride more stiff or more forgiving and how to lock it out completely, like if you were riding on pavement. Your head tube angle on this bike is a comfy 69.5, which means when your pointed downhill, its a little more slack and you won't feel like you'll go over the bars. Bottom bracket height is nice, you'll clear obstacles better. Now all you need are shoes and clips.

Remember, she has to have a name....
 
That's because it IS fun! There's nothing like riding on a beautiful day with friends and spanning miles and at the same time getting into the best shape of your life.

Your bike is beautiful! Mechanical brakes are awesome and Avid makes the best mechanicals. Lots of people prefer them over hydraulics because they don't have to the fluid issues.

This is a classic hardtail, you have 3 or 4 inches of suspension depending on how you set up your front fork. 80 mm = 3 inches.... 100 mm = 4. When you pick up the bike, have them explain how to adjust your front fork. They'll show you how to adjust the knobs to make your ride more stiff or more forgiving and how to lock it out completely, like if you were riding on pavement. Your head tube angle on this bike is a comfy 69.5, which means when your pointed downhill, its a little more slack and you won't feel like you'll go over the bars. Bottom bracket height is nice, you'll clear obstacles better. Now all you need are shoes and clips.

Remember, she has to have a name....

Oh, . . that REALLY, REALLY, REALLY makes me happy to know you approve. When I pick up the bike I'm going to get a new helmet, and look into some shoes and clips. I can't thank you enough for all your help. I'll let you know how it goes. Now, . . .about that name? . . . .Hmmm, . . awe heck I'm still trying to think of my mojo charm!
 

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