Developing Shoulder Strength - suggestions

jillybean

Cathlete
Hi Cathe! Hope you are getting some rest now that you have 3 boys in your life (if you count John as a boy). Anyway, which particular head of the delt is worked during the overhead barbell presses - the move where you say, "It's like putting clothes on a top shelf." I can keep up with you and the gang during rear delts and during PS and S&H, but when you do those, I have to lighten my barbell significantly. Just wondering if there were substitute moves, or if I should just keep at it. Thanks!
 
Ditto. You know I have the same problem. I can keep up with all the other weights in PH and even surpass some of them, but the overhead barbell press does me in. I lighten the barbell and still can't do the last 8 reps with good form. I find that I can't get the weight up unless I arch my back (and I know you aren't supposed to do that!:'( )Even then I can only get the bar up half way at the end. So I would be interested in the answer to Jillybean's question too.

Thanks,
Donna M
 
The overhead barbell press works all three heads of the shoulders at once. Perhaps that is why this move is so difficult for you. Front raises concentrate on the anterior delts, side laterals on the medial delts and flyes on the posterior delts.

It is okay to lighten your weight if you are having trouble with form. The worst thing you can do is to go heavier than you can handle and arch your back to get the weight over your head. Better to start light and increase gradually.

Marlene
 
Hi Jillybean:

I have exactly the same problem. I can stick with a good weight on rear delts, on upright rows, etc, but for the overhead presses I feel pathetically wimpy...

What I have done recently is stick with 8 or 10 pound dumbells but half the rhythm/pace, so I do one to cathe's two, that way i can focus a little more on strength rather than endurance here. I often rewind this section and do it again, to make sure I have completely worked the muscle at this lower speed.

Sometimes cheating works!

I also think that as an ectomorph body type, I just have difficulty building muscle in this part of the body anyway so.....is there another solution?

Clare
 
Hey, Jillybean!
All three heads work in lateral raises and overhead presses. Although the primary action of the deltoids is glenohumeral abduction, the anterior head contributes to shoulder flexion, and depending on position, to horizontal adduction/horizontal flexion and medial rotation. The posterior head contributes to extension, horizontal abduction/horizontal extension and lateral rotation.

There are several reasons that overhead lifts are more difficult than anterior, lateral or posterior delt raises. First of all, all three of the delt raises stop when the shoulder is at approximately 90 degrees of flexion, abduction or horizontal abduction/horizontal extension. Overhead lifts typically progress to where the shoulder is at approximately 160-180 degrees of flexion or abduction, meaning that the distance traveled is significantly increased, therefore the amount of work done is greater in an overhead lift.

Secondly, there is something known as a length-tension curve, which basically means that there are points along the range of motion where the muscle is able to generate more force than at other points. Muscles are able to generate maximal tension in the middle of the contractile range. With delt raises, the exercise ends at close to mid range for the muscle. A good part of the range of motion of an overhead lift is well past this optimal point.

Thirdly, because of position, the involvement of other muscle groups varies when the motion gets much past the 90 degree point (flexion or abduction). When there isn't as much assistance from the pecs or upper traps, the exercise becomes more difficult.

Finally, upper body exercise that takes the arms above the heart makes it more difficult to pump oxygenated blood to the working muscles, causing lactic acid to build up more quickly. You get the burn of fatigue, which limits the intensity of the contraction.

I know I went into great detail here, but there are all sorts of reasons for why overhead lifting is harder! Hope this was helpful!

Maribeth
 
Hey, Jillybean!
All three heads work in lateral raises and overhead presses. Although the primary action of the deltoids is glenohumeral abduction, the anterior head contributes to shoulder flexion, and depending on position, to horizontal adduction/horizontal flexion and medial rotation. The posterior head contributes to extension, horizontal abduction/horizontal extension and lateral rotation.

There are several reasons that overhead lifts are more difficult than anterior, lateral or posterior delt raises. First of all, all three of the delt raises stop when the shoulder is at approximately 90 degrees of flexion, abduction or horizontal abduction/horizontal extension. Overhead lifts typically progress to where the shoulder is at approximately 160-180 degrees of flexion or abduction, meaning that the distance traveled is significantly increased, therefore the amount of work done is greater in an overhead lift.

Secondly, there is something known as a length-tension curve, which basically means that there are points along the range of motion where the muscle is able to generate more force than at other points. Muscles are able to generate maximal tension in the middle of the contractile range. With delt raises, the exercise ends at close to mid range for the muscle. A good part of the range of motion of an overhead lift is well past this optimal point.

Thirdly, because of position, the involvement of other muscle groups varies when the motion gets much past the 90 degree point (flexion or abduction). When there isn't as much assistance from the pecs or upper traps, the exercise becomes more difficult.

Finally, upper body exercise that takes the arms above the heart makes it more difficult to pump oxygenated blood to the working muscles, causing lactic acid to build up more quickly. You get the burn of fatigue, which limits the intensity of the contraction.

I know I went into great detail here, but there are all sorts of reasons for why overhead lifting is harder! Hope this was helpful!

Maribeth
 
I've tried doing the overhead press (with dumbbells, which I prefer) from a seated on the floor position, supported by a large exercise ball propped up against my couch. I find it puts me at the correct angle (pushing a bit forward instead of straight overhead to minimize risk of shoulder impingement---in this position I felt no shoulder discomfort at all!) and supports my back when I do the exercise. I was able to do the full number of reps with my personal best weight (which usually is a bit heavy for all reps).
 
Maribeth..
You seem to be very knowlegable so I wanted to ask you...
WHY do my shoulders seem to BURN more than any other body part on me when I lift weights. It is so intense I always think it must have something to do with the muscle network or something. I mean the burn runs all the way into my traps and neck and they are all literally ON FIRE so much so that I have to stop lifting and stretch my neck and shoulders. I also seem to have a very hard time progressing in this area where lateral raises and rear delt work is concerned. Is this because the shoulder is such a small muscle. I would be curious to know as no other body part on me burns nearly as bad as my shoulders. Even when I do pushups....they are the first to go..Any feedback????

THANKS!!! Janice
 
Hey, Janice,
For the most part, you hit it right on the head! The deltoids are relatively small muscles and as one of the prime movers, will fatigue quickly. Another factor--both the deltoids and upper trapezius are located above the heart and when weights are lifted overhead, the pressor response kicks in, increasing resistance to blood flow. The arms overhead position also means that gravity will tend to resist the flow of blood to the working muscles. Limited blood flow means limited oxygen to convert/neutralize the lactic acid generated, so the acid builds up and the burn sets in.

What I do to help with this is to train my delts and upper traps with exercises that keep the arms no higher than shoulder level. Something else you can try is to do overhead presses with cables or tubing in a supine or prone position to negate the effects of gravity and see if this helps.

Good luck!
Maribeth
 

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