I'm not the message board police by any means but just wanted to give you a heads up that Cathe has asked us to use this forum to discuss her DVDs/workouts and post questions/comments about other instructors in the Open Discussion forum. I bet if you reposted this under the Open Discussion you'd get a lot more responses (people may be shy to respond to this question since it's posted under this particular forum). I hope you find the answer to your question!