All Leg moves from Horizontal Conditioning

loneswaneast

Cathlete
I don't know what the general feeling is for using other types of condioning programs moves, but I'd love to see an all leg workout that features the leg moves from the Horizontal Conditioning workouts. They really fry my legs for some reason and they don't use heavy weights.

Would this be against protocol? Are her moves copyrighted? It seems so many instructors use the same moves all the time, how does that work?
 
Hi loneswaneast,
I was just researching Hoco, trying to figure out if it works more than arms and core. Like legs and glutes. It seems from your post you feel like your legs got a good workout from it. Are legs worked in all her dvds or just one or two? Thank you for any input. I keep going back and forth on if I should get them. [emoji4]


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Hi loneswaneast,
I was just researching Hoco, trying to figure out if it works more than arms and core. Like legs and glutes. It seems from your post you feel like your legs got a good workout from it. Are legs worked in all her dvds or just one or two? Thank you for any input. I keep going back and forth on if I should get them. [emoji4]

I've been going back and forth on the Horizontal Conditioning workouts. I know a few people that have them, and love them. They say they are a total body workout. Really fries the core. I think I'm going to try a couple of them.
 
Hi loneswaneast,
I was just researching Hoco, trying to figure out if it works more than arms and core. Like legs and glutes. It seems from your post you feel like your legs got a good workout from it. Are legs worked in all her dvds or just one or two? Thank you for any input. I keep going back and forth on if I should get them. [emoji4]


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Hi,
All of her workouts include Leg and/or Glute conditioning. She incorporates the lower body moves to give the core and upper body time to rest. For instance she will work the core and arms for 3-4 minutes and then the legs for a similar time. It works.
 
Hey! Looks like you got your wish with the new program for this coming Fall! : )


'To The Mat: Legs & Glutes - Get down and get ready for an all floor-based workout that is sure to carve out the legs and glutes like no other! All of the exercises in this DVD will utilize parallel mat conditioning to totally fatigue the lower body without the strain that traditional standing leg work can put on the back and knees. But don’t be fooled! This workout is no nonsense. This DVD includes Muscle Meltdown Shoulders'
 
This sounds interesting, but funny enough, most of the leg moves in Horizontal Conditioning is done standing. Doesn't make sense, does it?
This new set sounds pretty good, my only question is the Intermediate level, I've been doing her Advanced workouts forever.
Thanks for the response.
 
This sounds interesting, but funny enough, most of the leg moves in Horizontal Conditioning is done standing. Doesn't make sense, does it?
This new set sounds pretty good, my only question is the Intermediate level, I've been doing her Advanced workouts forever.
Thanks for the response.

I imagine this could depend upon the exercise itself, but wouldn't one be able to add a resistance band, ankle weights, and/or a dumbbell to the thigh(s) to make the intermediate routines a bit more challenging for those at advanced levels? Adding a firewalker band, ankle weights, or a dumbbell to the thigh can make even my oldest routines from twenty years ago seem brand-new in difficulty level to my body again. :)
 
I too would like to see Cathe do a horizontal training DVD. I think it would be great if it had a focus on core conditioning (no one knows more core training exercises than Cathe!) but also sections for other body parts.

Perhaps some specialty programs, Cathe? Something for seniors, something for sport specific training, something targeting youth/teens? I'd love to give the gift of Cathe to others...

Another idea is a stretch program with chapters or premixes focusing on various body parts so you can quickly stretch particularly tight muscles.

And while I'm brainstorming ideas for future DVDs...how about a home circuit program - move through a few minutes on the spin bike or the step (for cardio), a few minutes with weights, a few minutes with the med ball or stability ball (for core). Having 'stations' at home would give lots of variety.
 
I too would like to see Cathe do a horizontal training DVD. I think it would be great if it had a focus on core conditioning (no one knows more core training exercises than Cathe!) but also sections for other body parts.

Perhaps some specialty programs, Cathe? Something for seniors, something for sport specific training, something targeting youth/teens? I'd love to give the gift of Cathe to others...

Another idea is a stretch program with chapters or premixes focusing on various body parts so you can quickly stretch particularly tight muscles.

And while I'm brainstorming ideas for future DVDs...how about a home circuit program - move through a few minutes on the spin bike or the step (for cardio), a few minutes with weights, a few minutes with the med ball or stability ball (for core). Having 'stations' at home would give lots of variety.

I'm not a senior, but I love that idea. It wouldn't even have to be marketed as an older adult workout. I remember back when my fibromyalgia was much worse, I wished there was something out there for people with knee, back, fatigue issues, etc.- but that weren't boring. There wasn't much beyond walking-in-place videos and such that did provide some safe, non-fatigue-inducing workouts, but were dull to me. Or they'd have a class filled with 80-year-olds...a little awkward to work out to when you're only 30! :)

I also wish for another Cathe Stretch workout. I would prefer they be between 5 and 10 minutes each, and hit the hip flexors, front delts, quads, lower back, and biceps well. Even in cardio-only workouts, those are usually the most used body parts. (Many stretch programs focus too much on the hamstrings, IMHO.)
 
ITA. I nearly always end up having to spend time doing my own psoas, ankle/tibialis, shin, and rhomboid stretches. I think any workout that utilizes step ought to have tibialis stretching afterwards.

I know exactly what you mean. I rarely do the stretch routine done at the vast majority of most workouts, or at least I'll add on my own stretches. The older I get, the more time that needs to be, too. A four-minute stretch after a workout was fine at eighteen. At age 35, an hour-long workout is going to get a ten-minute stretch...easily.

Barefoot running and barefoot workouts have really taken off, in part due to the injuries and weak foot muscles that many athletic shoes can help create in many regular exercisers. Many dancers and Pilates classes believe firmly in doing plenty of lower leg, ankle, and foot work. Many other athletes do physical therapy and other modalities where the shins, ankles and/or feet get specific strengtheners and stretches (often due to injuries, sometimes not even directly in those areas). Yet almost all mainstream aerobics, strength-training, or other workouts based upon any sort of hybrid ignore this work (or it's an extreme afterthought). It's as if the feet and ankles hardly exist in this realm, except to help us stand on. I guess because these sorts of exercises aren't majorly sweat-inducing and calorie-burning they can be overlooked easily, but I simply don't think it's a good idea to do so long-term. I remember the first time I did a Jennifer Kries (The Method) workout, Dance to Fitness, I was AMAZED at how tired my feet got with her simple warm-up exercises. They looked very simple, but I sure was humbled when I saw how weak and inflexible my ankles and feet truly were. After all, I had been doing an hour of aerobics and/or weight-training a day for months, was at that time in my late teens, and thought I was fit as I could be. Then I remembered the knock knees I had in childhood, my very easily-twisted ankles as a teen, and the severe foot pain which started at age 16 when I began working in retail (since I spent long hours standing in place). That was when I got clued into how imperative it is to work on these seemingly insignificant areas.

At my age and with my injury history, I'm definitely willing to scale down the cardio or weights to 30 or 40 minutes per workout in order to fit 10-20 minutes of stretching, foam-rolling, and/or PT exercises a day. On the upside, when I began doing work on strengthening and stretching my feet, ankles, hip flexors, and lower leg muscles I also saw an increase in athletic performance. Greater squat depth, deeper and less wobbly lunges, and the ability to do plyometric jumps for the first time pain-free. My next goal is to add in more rotator cuff and wrist work (both weights and stretching). I want to keep working out for many years to come, but I believe it'll take a moderate, holistic approach to training for this to be my reality. This is partly why I hope Cathe will consider doing a series or at least a couple of workouts for those that who are out-of-shape, older exercisers who've had to cut back on the high-impact, heavy-weight work, or those that have severe osteoarthritis or other issues which make exercising feel quite painful. Aren't these the exercisers that need to make regular movement a part of life more than anyone? Cathe has designed exciting, cutting-edge, unique programs for a wide range of exercisers before. I don't see any reason why she couldn't just as enthusiastically inspire and train the above-mentioned groups in a different sort of series. Even for those of us still blessed with the ability to often do hardcore cardio and weightlifting work, there is no reason why a series like this couldn't be worked into our routines, too. Most of us will have times when we're just getting back to exercise after a serious illness or a surgery that required time off of exercising, periods of post-injury recovery periods where the hardcore stuff is out, or simply the need get in more work with foam-rolling, stretching, and small-muscle training. Cathe can make this type of work fun, as opposed to the drudgery or boredom it can often feel like. :)
 
Great ideas above....I would love to see Cathe incorporate some foam rolling (myofascial release) into a new workout. I noticed in one of Cathe's latest blogs she recommended foam rolling BEFORE workouts, but I had read elsewhere to use it AFTER workouts as part of the post-exercise stretch. I would be interested to see how she would incorporate this into a workout program.
 
Great ideas above....I would love to see Cathe incorporate some foam rolling (myofascial release) into a new workout. I noticed in one of Cathe's latest blogs she recommended foam rolling BEFORE workouts, but I had read elsewhere to use it AFTER workouts as part of the post-exercise stretch. I would be interested to see how she would incorporate this into a workout program.

I've heard it's best to do it beforehand too, but I admit that seems odd to me to do foam-rolling prior to exercising. Maybe it's just my long-term conditioning about mostly doing stretches after a workout, that's making me feel like foam-rolling is best done when the muscles are hot. Perhaps there's some articles out there which explain the reasons behind doing the rolling before exercise and not after. I haven't looked at it enough in depth. :)
 
Great ideas above....I would love to see Cathe incorporate some foam rolling (myofascial release) into a new workout. I noticed in one of Cathe's latest blogs she recommended foam rolling BEFORE workouts, but I had read elsewhere to use it AFTER workouts as part of the post-exercise stretch. I would be interested to see how she would incorporate this into a workout program.

I too, would like to have more information about foam rollling --- Not sure if muscles have to be warmed up before. There is a bit of confusion there.
What I know is this does help in performing big compound move such as squat in more depth. Streching and mobilising
really good result in better clean fluid execution of heavy squats and deadlifts.:):)
 
Rolling (whether with ball or roller) targets myofascial tissue mostly whereas traditional stretching stretches the large(er) heads of the muscles. Of course, there are different types of stretching you can incorporate which also release myofascial tissue.
I completed a course in Yamuna Ball Rolling and fascial release last Spring, but I do not recall whether pre or post workout was discussed in such detail. It is used for a good many things including emotional and physical (old scar tissue) 'opening' and healing which is what I concentrated on. I do not have kiniseology terminology to quite explain it, but from what I know, I think things like endurance and speed (runners, speed skaters etc) are improved when the myofascial tissue is more relaxed. It allows the large muscles it supports to stay 'pumped' and not collapse. Not sure if how I am wording it makes any sense! o_O I think if you have injuries, anytime would work. I've been doing it on days when I do not workout or occasionally pre pilates to help with my alignment (rolling on side more).
 
Good post, Elsie. It explained a lot of info that makes sense, especially in terms of how it could target our bodies differently.

This article helped explained why pre-workout rolling is better a bit, too. http://www.outsideonline.com/1784261/should-i-foam-roll-or-after-workout
A dissenting viewpoint comes in the form of this article- at least theoretically, I could see the point it's making. http://www.menshealth.com/fitness/best-time-foam-roll I guess it's one of those things we will each have to experiment with and test out for ourselves, like everything fitness-related.

I'd still like to see more well-run, consistent scientific evidence informing all of us on the topic. The data thus far (based on PubMed) shows too much variation among the subjects in the exercise studies already done, to count them as good votes- either yea or nay.
 
I foam roll before and after... I have to.. my quads are so tight, I even take a thing called "the stick" which is a hand held roller and go up and down my quads and calves, then I do a few air squats and keep working it, I'm older.. I have a whole pre warm up thing I do.. Otherwise my knees would never make it :)

There are days with my neck too, that I can't wait to get home and foam roll my upper back..
 

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