800 situps?

Actually I've heard the opposite about hanging sit ups/roman chair. An ab class I took about 6-7 years ago taught the primary muscle worked with these types of exercises is the hip flexor, and the abs are secondary. Crunches & situps work the abs as a primary muscle.

Also, IMO, it's much easier to cheat b/c most people end up swinging their body weight rather than focusing on the muscle. Keeping good form with floor exercises is much easier & more effective.
 
Done correctly they are widely considered to be the best. There are studies to back this up.
If you keep your back flat against the board and concentrate on squeezing the abs it's a great ab workout.
Cheating on situps is very easy to do even if you don't realize you are doing it. Many people pull on their necks as they come up.
 
Considered by whom? What studies? I've never heard ANY trainer say they were the best ab workout. And, as I said (this according to experts who travel the country to teach people the proper & most effective ab routines) the primary muscle worked is the hip flexor, so how on earth could it be the best ab exercise?

Cheating on leg/knee raises is much much easier & more common than cheating on situps. Even if you keep your back flat you can still end up swinging your legs rather than using your abs to lift them. I really don't understand why you'd so strongly recommend an exercise that's difficult, potentially dangerous & not very effective in lieu of one that is easy (form-wise), safe, and proven effective.
 
I've also heard or read some where that the knee raise was a very good exercise.

I just did a google search and found a reference to this study done at the Biomechanics Lab at San Diego State University.

http://sportsmedicine.about.com/cs/conditioning/a/aa020402a.htm

ACE also cites it: http://www.acefitness.org/getfit/abstudy_study.aspx

For what it's worth, the Roman Chair knee raise came in 2nd best in the study.

All in all, most ab exercises have a proper place in any ab routine. I just seriously question why anyone would or should do 800 of any one thing.
 
LOLOLOL Dani you are a riot! I HATE dangling leg raises because I find it to hard to keep still & work my abs. I like the standing one where you hold the handles better. So there :p


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Debbie
 
Thanks for answering for me Gayle! Despite the testiness shown above, they are better than situps. Like I said, you have to do them correctly. Keep your back flat and try to cheat. Impossible!!! I actually had forgotten the bicycle maneuver which is very good. The studies I have seen usually have the chair first, followed by the bike maneuver. I like reverse crunches as well.
As for situps, they do have a place of course, but the ones done on a ball are better. Actually crunches instead of the traditional situp, which I despise. Again, more muscle recruitment. And if you anchor your feet when doing ab work then you may as well not do them at all.
Also, I agree about the 800 situps.
 
Dani ~ LOL! Where do you get these cute, little emoticons!

800!!! I'll have to go look at next week again. I've been focusing on BCx2.

I think I'll have to agree "quality over quantity" here.

Dallas
 
I believe the Army recently stopped doing the situp test with trainees because of the high rate of injury and they did nothing to prove ab strength. I guess a lot of them were cheating though. But as for situps, I really can't personally isolate my abs because my hip flexors jump in involuntary. The last 20-30 degrees feels like a hip flexor workout and a rest for my abs which I don't want. I agree if done on a ball they seem to work out better at least for me.
Carolyn
 
Carolyn,

I heard they were doing that too, but my sister and a good friend both went threw boot this spring, and both had to do the situp test, as well doing jump clap push-ups.

Kit
 
Gayle and nice on ice: If it was every exercise session, yes, I'd say 800 situps may not be the best way to spend your time. I do think that is something you'd have to determine, though. But, a couple of times may be something that challenges you. After all, the main thing I've learned from exercising, is that if I want to see changes then I have to do something different. Whether it is a change in duration, intensity, moves, more cardio, less cardio, higher rep workouts, lower rep workouts, etc. (I think you get the idea).

Sure, hanging leg raises are a tough exercise, but I don't think Cathe recommends them because you need special equipment for them. At the very least a bar you can hang from. I'm lucky because I have a large squat cage with a bar from which I can do pullups and leg raises. However, I had to get the arm slings because my upper body strength did not last long enough to get out enough reps to fully fatigue my abs. Also, you can cheat on these pretty easily if you swing your legs up. Then you use momentum to do the move. I don't think a captain's chair is harder even if it does make it harder to use momentum, because I've used the chair at gyms while on vacation and they always seemed a lot easier to do than hanging from my bar at home. Of course, that is just anecdotal evidence, so take it for what its worth.

Also, if someone can do 3 sets of 30 or 50, than I really take my hat off to you (as long as you're not cheating and swinging your legs;-) !) because it is a challenging exercise. I usually fall in the 10 to 15 rep range, though I work on it.

Finally, while hanging leg raises are a great exercise, they, like any other exercise are not the end all be all of ab exercises. Like I said before, it is a good idea to change up your routine. And though 800 reps seem like a lot, if you do Ab Ripper X from P90x you are doing over 300 reps. I've never counted the rep range in a Cathe ab routine because I like to concentrate on doing the move and not counting, so I can't say what they come in at, but I'd think they are pretty close since the times are similar. So, one go round of Ab Ripper X gets you pretty close to 1/2 way and actually you can add reps while Tony Horton is talking if you are familiar with the routine to make it 400. I also like to play with rep ranges. Sometimes I use my medicine ball with these routines to change it up. Usually the added weight means I can't do as many reps. Doing that sometimes can be a challenge.

Whew! That was lengthy! Anyway, best of luck with whatever way you choose to exercise. I love hearing about what other people do because I love exercise (I know, I'm weird!) and new ideas, etc. It keeps it fun!
 
Understood.
My thing is, for some of us anyway, we have enough things in our lives to keep us busy rather than just workout for hours on end. If you need hundreds of reps of anything to stimulate the muscles, then something is amiss in my opinion. Instead of endlessly trying to increase reps, you can do numerous things with the rep tempo, or even the weight, to get the same effects in less time. Plus, as far as abs go, you can do situps until you pass out but in the end the cardio and diet are the main thing with getting a tight midsection. That's why I will never understand the desire to do hundreds of situps.
Just my take on it.
 
Nice: Well, 16 minutes for Ab Ripper X is hardly hours on end. I don't know where that came from. Since that little routine is over 300 reps and you can squeeze in more reps when the instructor talks, I'd estimate it would take 30 minutes to do 800 reps, unless you were being leisurely about the pace. Again, hardly hours on end. It might seem like hours on end though!

But, I also know I am a little unusual in that I don't watch tv and it really frees up a lot of time for other things in life. My children also get limited tv time. And I try to keep a leash on my internet time. I also find that I can get my family involved in the fitness stuff so that we are having together time but I'm also getting exercise in.

I doubt I would recommend doing 800 situps on a regular basis. But, really, I can't see the harm in doing it once in a month.
 

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