Kathryn - ? on cats (declawing)

Sandi S

Cathlete
You posted in another thread about training a cat so declawing can be avoided. How do you do it? I've tried clipping the nails short, I tried the little plastic things that slip over the cat's nails, I provided a scratching post besides my furniture. But, these methods don't seem to help unless you watch them 24/7. Any other suggestions. I rescued two kittens and they're starting to scratch my furniture.

Thanks - Sandi
 
I don't know what others would suggest but since you have tried everything else I think a squirt bottle is next. When you see them doing it or appoaching the furniture to scratch give them a squirt with a water bottle. They usually take off and no hard feelings. I really think that declawing should be illegal but on the other had how many cats would lose their homes. I love my cats and not so much my sofa. But still you really don't want them scratching the furniture.
 
Interesting! I actually did research to see if I could have my cat's claws reattached. Didn't see anything though.

Sparrow
 
Hi, Sandi!
I'm glad you're working trying to find a non-declaw solution. IMO, declawing should be illegal here, as it is in most other countries.

The best overall info on alternatives is here:
http://declawing.com/

Pretty much any suggestions I would give are on this site, but I'll add (which may repeat some of what's on the site: great minds think alike, LOL!):

Claw trimming is a good start. My "little one," Pete, doesn't scratch the furniture, except for a rare effort, but he's apt to use claws when I don't want him to (like playing with me), so I have to cut them super short (caution, this is only for those with advanced claw-trimming experience and the right tools--and those special claw-trimming devices for pets don't work as wel as a nice, sharp toe-nail trimmer--the ones that are larger versions of fingernail trimmers--you can find in the HUMAN nail-care aisles). He gets very annoyed when I do it, because then it's harder for him to climb his tree! I cut them blunt and short, as close to the quick as possible without damage or pain (why this is an 'advanced' technique), and I trim them often (young/healthy cats seem to grow claws fast!), usually weekly.

I haven't tried the rubber claw tips, but would recommend them over declawing in a heartbeat. You might do a web-search (which is what I do when I need personal anecdotes about how these things really work) and see if there's a cat-lovers forum where you can get some first-hand testimonials for or against.

1) Remember: cats instinctively need to mark their territory by the scratching motion (they are actually scent marking with scent glands that are on their paws, and visually marking as well). Even declawed cats will go through the motions. They are not being "bad" or looking to do damage, it's just the way they roll.

Because of this, a scratching surface that is more appealing than your furniture is essential. The right kind and number of scratching surfaces available, the less you cats will go after your furniture (though I personally care more for my cats than my furniture: in 20 years, I doubt I'll look back on my life and say "Gosh, I really loved that sofa of mine. It was so loving and friendly, and was so playful and fun! I still miss it")

Remember: make the furniture less appealing, make the scratching areas more appealing.
(to make the furniture less appealing, there are some temporary aversion methods you can try: use furniture tacks to tack onion or orange mesh bags over the areas the cats like to scratch, for example. There are other suggestions, I think, on the site. If not, ask, and I'll pass some on).

Most scratching posts you will find in stroes are inadequate to the task.
A good scratching post--like the excellent ones they sell in the 'declawing' site, which aree pricey, but worth it if you have the means--has the following features:

1) Height: it is tall enough, and/or allows the cat to stretch out (this can be accomplished with those horizontal, on-the-floor corrugated-cardboard scratchers as well, which my cats like). At the shelter, where I can observe the behaviors of cats who don't have a scratching post (though I did buy them one now, and they use it happily). The scratching marks on the wooden door frames (these cats were desperate...no place to mark!) range from about 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 feet up. A good post should be close to 3 feet tall, IMO.

2) Material: the best scratching surface has to make a scratchy sound when used (you can test by scratching YOUR nails over it). Carpet doesn't cut it (and manufacturers who make those totally-useless, too-short, carpet-covered posts should be ashamed of themselves. I'd like to start a class-action suit on behalf of those cats who were declawed because their owners tried one of those!).

Rough upholstery material (like the rugged plaid stuff you find on furniture at 'the cabin out by the lake") is ideal. (If you're interested, and have access to someone with basic woodworking skills, including yourself, I can try to give directions for making a post like one my stepmother made for my cats...which they love...and which incorporates this material).

Sissel works well for some cats (though some don't like the rope configuration).

Corrugated cardboard (on either horizontal or slanted, like on the "Cosmic Catnïp Alpine Scratcher"---one that Pete especially likes) works well for many cats.

The BACKSIDE of carpet can work for some (you'll notice it has a rough, kind-of-burlappy texture), but a friend of mine had someone make one for her, and it didn't appeal to her cats (outdoor cats, who no doubt have better surfaces to use).

Logs with bark, cut in half, are good, especially if you live in the country, where you have access to the logs, and a 1/2 log lying on your kitchen floor wouldn't bug you. (though most cats would prefer it to be vertical, like a real tree).

3)Number and location, location, location.
One post won't do (unless you live in a studio appartment with 1 cat). As you notice, I've mentioned several posts my cats have. They have one or two surfaces in almost every room (except kitchen and bath), including the "declawing" post, one my stepmother made, a vertical and an angled corrugated surface, and some cat perches/trees where they also nap: all these acquired little by little, as I went from one cat to 5, and now to 4).

Cats are likely to scratch after waking from a nap (keep a post near nap area).

Definitely put an 'allowable scratching surface" near the furniture your cats now like to scratch. You can eventually move it, bit by bit, when they get used to it (but don't hide it in a corner, like some people do. Cats are as lazy as people are, and if they have to go out of the way to use 'the post,' while the sofa is right there, in claw's reach, guess which one they'll choose?

Cats also will just stop and scratch as they are 'passing by, so the more 'legal' scratching places you have (and the more appealing you make them), the more apt the cats will use them, and not your furniture.

CAVEAT: I can't guarantee 100% no scratching.

Even some of my cats scratch on other than their posts--mostly my puzzle mats or area rugs when I put them down in winter (the rugs, not the cats!)

When I catch them, I scold them: it's important, with multiple cats, that they get to know their names, then the 'scolding' is cat-specific. "No!" or "ssssss"--a hiss!'-- doesn't work to pinpoint the guilty party. A sharp "Simon!"--sorry, S.--gives HIM the message that he's up to no good. While a follow-up, sweet-sounding "Good, Simon!" tells him that stopping was the thing to do. And a very enthusiastic "Simon! Good boy! Good Simon!" when he uses the actual 'legal' scratching area reinforces things.

But, again, these are just things. Simon (oops, I've outed him!) wouldn't be able to scratch my puzzle mats if I picked them up after every use! And they are replaceable. In the grand scheme of things, these material posessions that can look a little rough around the edges are nothing.

Also, for new-to-the-home kitties, who probably don't know their names yet, or understand what "NO!" is, I like to go bilingual. :) In this case, speaking "cat" and translating into English (or whatever human language you wish to use!) For "NO!", I first hiss ("hhhhh" ---almost like you're trying to dislodge a piece of popcorn from your throat: a strong breath at throat level, sounds more like their actual hiss than " sssss" does, but that can work as well if you have trouble with the ' cat accent'). Follow this with a sharp "NO!" (so, to practice " HHHH! NO!" A sharp hand clap added to this can get the message across better (and, again, this works better if you can add their name, at begining or end " Simon! HHH! No!" Just make sure to use their name in other contexts as well (when offering treats, when praising, just when talking to them), otherwise, they might associate it with discipline and not with " hey, that's me!" )

HTH! (if I could only get "credit" for word-count on posts as well as number of posts, LOL!)

Any other questions, please feel free to ask! (though you may be sorry you did!)
 
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I rescued two kittens and they're starting to scratch my furniture.

Welcome to the new kitty newbies!
Any photos to come?
Names?
Cute anecdotes?

(with two kitties at once, they will definitely reinforce each others behavior. If you can determine if one is the 'leader' and the other more the 'follower,' concentrate your efforts on the leader, and that will help change the follower's behavior more quickly as well).
 
Interesting! I actually did research to see if I could have my cat's claws reattached. Didn't see anything though.

Sparrow

Umm...sorry, but that's a bit out there...even for me! ;-~

I've seen info on some site from a vet in California, talking about doing reconstructive surgery on declawed wild cats, but it doesn't involve reattaching the claws. It's more dealing with the nerve and muscle damage that can be caused by the declawing and doing something to relieve/reduce pain.

There's a video of a tiger who is almost unable to walk because of complications from declawing, and his improvement (though never to 'normal') after the surgery.
 
Hee! It is out there! :D But I thought if there was some simple process I'm unaware of...:p I'm new to the world of cats and didn't want to overlook something out of ignorance.

See this is why I don't have children. I would never get out of bed with the worry. :D
 
I don't know how handy you are or how handy (or willing)your husband is, but my husband made a scratching post with a heavy duty rectangular shaped piece of wood for the base and a 4x4 poll nailed to that. we carpeted the base first and then after attaching the 4x4 we wrapped some rope around that. The rope kind of looks like hay. This has been my cats scratching post for about 8 years and as a matter of fact we just bought the first batch of new rope for it. It might of cost us 20 dollars in all. You might try to entice the kittens to your scrating post with catnip.

I worked at a vet for about a year and declawing and ear cropping are 2 of the most cruel and unnecessary things I saw there.
 
All 5 of my cats have been front-paw declawed and have seen no negative effects, though I've heard things CAN go terribly wrong or a cat can have real (psychological) issues with this. Mine were all done when they were young, though and I can't imagine this procedure being done on an older cat. I understand the argument against declawing but I worry that if people have to decide between their homes and adopting a cat, a lot more unwanted cats will be euthanized. Still, if you are dead-set against it I'd try everything else first to avoid it.
 
My two cents....

I don't believe in declawing at all. I've got 4 and have found that each has a definite preference for a type of scratching surface, as Kathryn mentioned. Two of them like sisal, two like either the sisal or carpet. All four of them will use the cheapo corrugated cardboard box that Petsmart sells for $10! That last one was a surprise. Of course it's got catnip on it so that may have something to do with it. It was trial and error to find what surfaces they like to scratch and provide it for them, but now that I have they don't scratch the furniture!

Oh, and have you tried Sticky Paws (I believe there are some variant brands out there now)? It essentially is two sided scotch tape and it sticks to various surfaces and the kitties don't like the sticky side so they they don't scratch it. It comes in either sheet form or a roll. I use it on parts of the stairs and before I found the scratching posts/surfaces they like I put it on the parts of the sofa that were apparently "scratchalicious."
 
Oh, and have you tried Sticky Paws (I believe there are some variant brands out there now)? It essentially is two sided scotch tape and it sticks to various surfaces and the kitties don't like the sticky side so they they don't scratch it. It comes in either sheet form or a roll. I use it on parts of the stairs and before I found the scratching posts/surfaces they like I put it on the parts of the sofa that were apparently "scratchalicious."

A much-less-obvious (and less esthetically offensive) alternative to my onion/organge net bag suggestion, LOL! (but there are alternatives for ALL budgets!).
 
Declawing is one of the cruelest things you can do to a cat. My sister had both her cats declawed about 15 years ago and regretts it still to this day. My two kitties (one's 10 years and one's 10 months) scratch my sofa quite a bit, but like Kathryn said--will I look back in 20 years and miss my couch...or my cats?

Here's a bit of info on declawing for those who aren't aware.

What is declawing?
The term "declawing" implies the removal of the claws, but it is a misnomer. Declawing is not merely the removal of the claws. Rather, it is a series of amputations. The last bone of each of the ten front toes is removed, and tendons, nerves, and muscles that allow for normal function of the paw are severed. An analogy in human terms would be cutting off each finger at the last joint. :eek: :eek:
Declawing, also know as onychectomy, is not a minor procedure, but a potentially crippling one that robs an animal of integral means of movement and defense. Declawed animals may be at increased risk of injury or death if attacked by other animals. They are deprived of satisfying their instinctual behavioral impulses to climb, exercise, and mark territory. They are subject to the risks of general anesthesia and surgery, which include bleeding, infection, lameness, nerve damage, gangrene, extensive tissue damage, and death. A report in the January 1, 2001 issue of the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association (JAVMA) by Yeon, et al., states that 33% of cats suffer at least one behavioral problem after declaw or tendonectomy surgery. Jankowski, in JAVMA (August 1, 1998), reports that acute complications "develop in up to a half of onychectomized cats. Long term complications of the procedure (are) reported for about a fifth of onychectomized cats." Martinez, in Veterinary Medicine (June 1993), reports 11% lameness, 17% wound breakdown, and 10% nail regrowth post-operatively in cats having declaw surgery.

http://www.pawproject.com/html/faqs.asp
 
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I understand the argument against declawing but I worry that if people have to decide between their homes and adopting a cat, a lot more unwanted cats will be euthanized.

I don't know, I hope I don't sound like a bonehead here but if people have issues with cats clawing their furniture or curtains, they shouldn't be getting a cat in the first place. Because if it's not the claws, it will be something else.

Having kids, dogs or cats, you better wave goodbye to a neat house. The furniture I have has to be able to take a beating, I don't know who is worse, my kids, the cat or the dogs - or maybe it is DH :p
 
My cats do scratch one of our couches a little bit, the material may just be too appealing, but not too much, when I first got them I bought a whole bunch of those cardboard cat scratchers for them, there is one that is like a ramp, and one kind that is just flat, I put those all over the house in spots near tempting furniture, and one in almost every room so they don't claw the carpet. I also clip their nails (when they are very sleepy) as often as possible. Even if I can't clip all the claws at one time, I just get what I can every couple of days.

I also have one of those carpet covered climbing things that they will use to scratch.
 
I don't know, I hope I don't sound like a bonehead here but if people have issues with cats clawing their furniture or curtains, they shouldn't be getting a cat in the first place. Because if it's not the claws, it will be something else.

I absolutely could NOT have said it better myself. Beautiful!
 
Welcome to the new kitty newbies!
Any photos to come?
Names?
Cute anecdotes?

(with two kitties at once, they will definitely reinforce each others behavior. If you can determine if one is the 'leader' and the other more the 'follower,' concentrate your efforts on the leader, and that will help change the follower's behavior more quickly as well).
Thanks for all the info. I have rescued many cats & kittens over the years. So, I'm not a newbie at kitties. The newest additions are about 3 months old. They come from the same litter but I caught them a month apart from each other. Chester was the first (solid black shorthair) and then came Harvey (shorthair gray tiger). Poor Harvey has a severely infected eye. The vet said he will probably need to remove the eye. :( I'll find out tomorrow when I take him for a follow up visit. I have had kittens declawed (front claws) and they seem to go about their merry way but I'd love to avoid it if possible. They are super sweet kittens and it makes me angry that someone could have neglected their care until I caught them.

Thanks again for the information - Sandi
 
A report in the January 1, 2001 issue of the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association (JAVMA) by Yeon, et al., states that 33% of cats suffer at least one behavioral problem after declaw or tendonectomy surgery.

I can attest to that.

I adopted a front-declawed cat once, Mandy (no longer with us) who didn't want to use the litter box to pee. She did #2 in it, and used the makeshift "pee-pee towel box" (two folded bath towels in a litter box, which she very carefully and thoroughly folded over her pee) that I made her after she had peed on numerous clothes.

I am positive that it is because her clawless paws found the litter box uncomfortable.

I 'knew' her at the shelter before she was previously adopted --by someone who supposedly 'fell in love' with her--then brought back 3 months later, front-declawed, because the woman---who was 'in love' with her?---was moving!
 
I don't know, I hope I don't sound like a bonehead here but if people have issues with cats clawing their furniture or curtains, they shouldn't be getting a cat in the first place. Because if it's not the claws, it will be something else.


ITA!

I was really P$@@ off at someone who adopted a cat at the shelter, had ALL FOUR PAWS declawed because, get this...the woman had an illness that made her very subsceptible to infection, and she couldn't have animals with claws (I am sorry for her plight, but then get a fish!). She brought the cat back a week later, saying it refused to use the litter box (surprised? I wonder how she would feel if someone tried to get her to dig in a sandbox after having her fingers amputated?).

The cat...who was a beautiful, affectionate, playful, lean black beauty...was in such obvious (to those who know how to see it) pain the first week she was back, I was afraid she'd never get back to her regular self.
 
OMG, Kathryn those stories just break my heart. I've heard of SO many cats who won't use a lettirox after being declawed. Can you blame them? It's not natural and it must feel awful. Poor Mandy. She sounds like such a little lover. How cute that she'd only pee on clothes! Heartbreaking, but cute.

How dare someone adopt a cat, declaw it, and then bring it back. :mad: People are disgusting sometimes.
 

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