it makes sense wendy. I dont really stick with anything long enough either. I did do the PUB for a few weeks last fall and I think it got me past that muscle plateau and finally the muscles started to pop. But I think it is the heavy lifting. I was doing mostly higher reps,lighter but challenging wts before. Now I go as heavy as I can. I hope your right and the shldrs and arms workout gives me that extra pop I need. It is so hard for me to develop cut muscles at least the shldr area. My tri's and forearms have always been muscular. same for the lower body, my quads have always been muscular but getting rid of that pocket of fat on the outside of my legs just doesnt want to budge. If I could just take the vaccum cleaner and suck it out then I would be great. anyway thanks for the tips. I am always looking for new ways of getting in shape.