Weeds are in control! Help me please!

janiejoey

Cathlete
For the last 8 or more years I have been organically gardening. But in between the rows are so many weeds, especially dandelions that it is literally out of control. I won't hurt the boxed bed by putting toxic stuff on them, but I'm willing now to get those weeds in the rows. I've tried every homemade stuff there is, now I need advice on the best soil killer. I don't want anything growing in the rows. After I've done my killing, I'm going to put play bark on top of that.

I have black plastic stuff all over the place to prevent weeds, and covered it with hazelnut shells, still, weeds.

Need advice please, ASAP cause I'm doing it now.

Thanks in advance. In the meantime I'm clearing out weeds by hands. Please help! I'll keep checking in today for much needed answers.

Janie

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>For the last 8 or more years I have been organically
>gardening. But in between the rows are so many weeds,
>especially dandelions that it is literally out of control.


You could look at things in a different way: some of those "weeds" can actually be considered 'volunteer garden plants' and used. ;)

Dandelion roots can be used to make a tea with benefits for the bladder. The young leaves can be used in salads (but not old ones, just because of taste). Even the not-yet-blooming flower heads are edible.

I'll bet you also have some purslane growing between rows: it loves to take up residence in worked garden soil. It's also one of the most nutritious greens you can eat (very high in minerals and other nutrients, including being a good source of omega-3 fatty acids). Here's one site with info on it: http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c20g0.html .

And believe it or not, it tastes good! Not bitter, like nutritious greens often do. And don't take my word for it (I've been known to eat things other people wouldn't like the taste of). I tried it out on a group of people (my French Table colleagues) and they all thought it was good (though one woman refused to eat it fresh-picked from the organic garden of the woman whose house we were at: she insisted on washing it, LOL!).


Now, if there are still 'weeds' you don't want in the garden, have you tried white vinegar? Put it in a spray bottle and mist it on.

Another way of dealing with them is starving and/or them out: cover them with something (newspaper is one possibility: it is also biodegradable and will just be mulch when it degrades) so they don't get direct sun. Though if you've alredy used black plastic, that should have worked.

Getting more effective tools to get rid of them by hand could make your manual labor less unplesant. A "Claw"(www.gardenweasel.com : many garden centers, and Walmart, also carries it) works well for disrupting the soil and the weeds (and you use it standing up). There are also specific tools (like the "weed popper" at the Garden weasel site above) used standing up that you push into the ground and turn, and they get to the root of the plants---one big problem with hand weeding is not getting the roots of long-rooted plants out, so they just return.

For on-the-ground weeding, I swear by a Korean hand hoe (lik e this one: .http://www.gardenhardware.com/kin-shori.html quite a few natural/organic gardening catalogs and sites sell them.) As you see, they also have a long version, and I also have seen one that comes with both the short and long handle. They cut right into the dirt and are wonderful for weed wacking. I used minde to root out garlic chives from the cracks in the side walks (note to everyone: do NOT plant GARLIC chives, as they are an invasive weed. Something the people who sold the THREE plants I started with---and now fight against hundreds!--to me forgot to mention!).

ETA: Here's a site with a better price on the hand hoe (especially for the long-handled version! (I think I might actually pick myself up one of those, since I just have the short-handled version) : http://www.kinsmangarden.com/products.asp?dept=1104 )


For sprays, "Roundup" has long been touted as less toxic to the environment, but it is not as environmentally friendly as they want you to believe: if it gets into a water supply, it can kill fish and other critters.


>> In the meantime I'm clearing out weeds by
>hands.

That's what I do!
Just think of it as an upper body exercise (and get the right tools to make it easier and faster).
 
Nobody else answered?

While I was out working in my garden, I thought of some other ideas:

1) if you are looking for an environmentally friendly 'chemical' weed control, try searching for "organic gardening supplies." They offer products that are still acceptable by organic standards, as they are non-persistant, come from natural sources (so not really 'chemical'), and do the least harm. (Doing a search for "organic weed control" may lead to some info as well).

2) after you get rid of the weeds you want to get rid of, consider planting some low-growing ground cover in the area, and possibly adding some stepping stones. The ground cover will choke out weeds, and offers a nice walking surface (there are even some very-low-growing thymes? --I think, could be another herb--that smell nice when you step on them). The stepping stones will mean no soil maintenance under them.
 
Kathryn,

Thank you for the in depth info. I have a huge garden (BIG), By the time I weed it's time to weed again. There literally is no time for anything else. Vinegar can get expensive, but I'll look for bargains. I'll just keep plugging along I guess. Maybe I need a break. I have an extra bed I could give up for another asparagus bed. I could freeze the overflow and have it during the rest of the year.

Janie

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Jane,
I tried that today, poured it on some, came back about an hour later, and they were turning brown already. WOW! it does seem to work.

Janie

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> Vinegar can get expensive, but
>I'll look for bargains.

It might help if you SPRAY it on instead of POURING it on.;-) It will take a bit longer to work, but it will work (just get the leaves wet, not sopping).

>> I have an extra bed I could give
>up for another asparagus bed. I could freeze the overflow and
>have it during the rest of the year.

Or send me some, LOL!

;-)
 
At my kid's elementary school, they use a combination of vinegar and rock salt, but that may harm your other plants. They use it on where the weeds come up through the cracks in the concrete.

-Beth
 
Beth,

I also heard salt kills weeds. If I use both vinegar and salt, it could only kill them twice as hard. Great idea.

Thank you,

Janie

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